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General Thoughts on Maryland

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Think both teams are familiar enough with each other (and the fanbases) that a complete war and peace breakdown really isn't needed. Maryland is similar to SU in that they are a pretty heavy Sr team (even moreso when SU when you consider defense and the specials). Tillman again cashed in via the portal with the Yale duo, Dodge etc.

From a defensive standpoint for SU clearly this will be the most talented offense they have seen. Tillman can mix and match his top 6 with Leo and Lyons both able to play mid and some of the younger mids showing well vs Loyola. I doubt Tillman is going to run 3 lines on Friday but we will see. Leo and Lyons are both very good players so they add an extra element Maryland didn't really have last year. Maryland has really hurt SU in transition and with good ball movement. SU's been sloppy with penalties which has exacerbated the situation
( see last years games). When playing Maryland I usually advocate to be slow to slide and force Maryland O Players to win 1 on 1 matchups for 60 mins. It's hard to do but Michigan has had some success playing a very similar style the last few years. They have played Maryland ultra physical and really forced them to into tough looks. The problem with playing this way for SU is two fold. One is Michigan also combines this with an O strategy that mirrors Tillman pre-shot clock. They take long drawn out possessions with heavy screen and pick work. This is the antithesis of how SU wants to play offense. They also will thrown a 10 man out there at times and again are slow to slide, things SU doesn't really do. The Defense has looked very good so far but the SSDMs will really be tested on Friday especially Bowen and Spallina. Matchups will be critical, does SU bump Chuck K down to Erksa and put Beck up top as suggested by Lexus? Does SU go zone at all ( I hope not)? Does SU pull a rabbit and bump Chuck to close and run D'agostino and Filardi at LSM?

From an offensive standpoint as I noted above Michigan has found success in the screen and pick game and really grinding possessions down. That's not SU's style (at all) and very unlikely to be the game plan. SU has had some success in the past when they can win individual matchups from the midfield. YOu saw this 2 years ago in the OT loss when Rhoa and Leo had monster games attacking short sticks. Maryland has counted this by shorting Thomson and double polling. SU really hasn't had an answer if I am being fair as the offense was bad in both matchups last year. Maryland's D strategy is essentially the same each year. Short Finn, shut off Joey and force the SU midfield to beat them. Assuming Anderson is back (he should be) I think SU has to consider a few things.

1. Thomson playing 60 mins at attack probably isn't going to work. Maryland has limited him in the last two matchups to 1 goal it the reg season game and 2 in the playoff game (after the game was already out of hand). If your Syracuse you have to give some consideration to playing Leo at attack with Joey and Bear. Yes its not optimal because they both can't play the left slot but Leo can play either side or around the crease and it forces Maryland to play it straight up and they can't double pole the midfield. Would put pressure on McCarthy (more on him later) and Rhoa will have to deal with Larkin but you have to force Maryland to play it straight and not allow a double pole. It also for the 1st time since really the Desko area would put three above average dodgers on the attack line vs Maryland.

2. Make or break for McCarthy. He's been a bit of a whipping boy since last year (some deserve some probably not) but being in the top 6 means he's gonna get a shortie pretty much 100% of the time. Right now he has more turnovers 2 then he does points on the year 1 (an assist vs BU). I think as laxmouse noted SU is trying to almost use him like English last year. I get the comp because McCarthy has looked very good playing SSDM but he's no where near the O player English was. Hottle is pushing the spot and I would give a lot of consideration to giving McIntee some run he has zero hesitation on pulling the trigger that's for sure. I still think McCarthy should be a full time SSDM because he has looked good whenever he's played there for extended minutes but regardless Fri is gonna be huge, he's gotta produce because Maryland is gonna shut off the attack and Joey.

The rest I think is mostly common sense Lax 101 stuff. Maryland has made a concerted effort to slow down SU transition since the OT game and they have been very successful. ON the other hand Maryland has killed SU in transition including 2 Larkin long pole goals last year. SU HAS TO limit Maryland in transition. You have to force these guys to score in the settled 6 on 6. On the flip side when you have transition push it, Ruppel is a good goalie, he's not McNaney, go after him.

Dodge and Carrier are probably the best 1-2 fogo group in the country and they can go 3 deep if needed. Johnny has to be at or near 50% Friday and the wing play has to be light years better then it was on Sat. McCarthy should be on the wing 90% of the time. Again this is a spot he usually excels get him the hell out there. Angelo showed some good stuff on Sat. Gonna need him again as he's likely gonna have to take a handful of draws. Very tough matchup, gotta win a few. Johnny has seen Dodge a few times so he knows what's coming there.

In closing I am a bit surprised SU re-upped the Maryland series. Clearly you wanna play best on best but it's not a great matchup for SU for a # of reasons I outlined above and you wonder if it's starting to become a mental thing ala a sort of here we go again when SU struggles for long stretches. Still if your gonna beat them this is the chance to set the tone for a possible playoff matchup and you get them at home. This regardless of the outcome will be a great measuring stick game.

Main thing to watch for is can SU play disciplined enough to win. Maryland has handled them because they have been by far the more buttoned up team (save for the OT game) and made much fewer mistakes ie penalties, off sides etc. SU needs to play physical but has to clean up the dumb mistakes and penalties that have haunted them vs Maryland (see the entire 1st half in the final four last year).
 
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This really feels like the last mental hurdle for both the team and the fans honestly. A win makes it feel you've finally taken down the boogeyman and it's just playing high level lacrosse from here on out. Hopefully the seniors still have a bad taste in their mouths from the post season and take this one personally.
 
Think both teams are familiar enough with each other (and the fanbases) that a complete war and peace breakdown really isn't needed. Maryland is similar to SU in that they are a pretty heavy Sr team (even moreso when SU when you consider defense and the specials). Tillman again cashed in via the portal with the Yale duo, Dodge etc.

From a defensive standpoint for SU clearly this will be the most talented offense they have seen. Tillman can mix and match his top 6 with Leo and Lyons both able to play mid and some of the younger mids showing well vs Loyola. I doubt Tillman is going to run 3 lines on Friday but we will see. Leo and Lyons are both very good players so they add an extra element Maryland didn't really have last year. Maryland has really hurt SU in transition and with good ball movement. SU's been sloppy with penalties which has exacerbated the situation
( see last years games). When playing Maryland I usually advocate to be slow to slide and force Maryland O Players to win 1 on 1 matchups for 60 mins. It's hard to do but Michigan has had some success playing a very similar style the last few years. They have played Maryland ultra physical and really forced them to into tough looks. The problem with playing this way for SU is two fold. One is Michigan also combines this with an O strategy that mirrors Tillman pre-shot clock. They take long drawn out possessions with heavy screen and pick work. This is the antithesis of how SU wants to play offense. They also will thrown a 10 man out there at times and again are slow to slide, things SU doesn't really do. The Defense has looked very good so far but the SSDMs will really be tested on Friday especially Bowen and Spallina. Matchups will be critical, does SU bump Chuck K down to Erksa and put Beck up top as suggested by Lexus? Does SU go zone at all ( I hope not)? Does SU pull a rabbit and bump Chuck to close and run D'agostino and Filardi at LSM?

From an offensive standpoint as I noted above Michigan has found success in the screen and pick game and really grinding possessions down. That's not SU's style (at all) and very unlikely to be the game plan. SU has had some success in the past when they can win individual matchups from the midfield. YOu saw this 2 years ago in the OT loss when Rhoa and Leo had monster games attacking short sticks. Maryland has counted this by shorting Thomson and double polling. SU really hasn't had an answer if I am being fair as the offense was bad in both matchups last year. Maryland's D strategy is essentially the same each year. Short Finn, shut off Joey and force the SU midfield to beat them. Assuming Anderson is back (he should be) I think SU has to consider a few things.

1. Thomson playing 60 mins at attack probably isn't going to work. Maryland has limited him in the last two matchups to 1 goal it the reg season game and 2 in the playoff game (after the game was already out of hand). If your Syracuse you have to give some consideration to playing Leo at attack with Joey and Bear. Yes its not optimal because they both can't play the left slot but Leo can play either side or around the crease and it forces Maryland to play it straight up and they can't double pole the midfield. Would put pressure on McCarthy (more on him later) and Rhoa will have to deal with Larkin but you have to force Maryland to play it straight and not allow a double pole. It also for the 1st time since really the Desko area would put three above average dodgers on the attack line vs Maryland.

2. Make or break for McCarthy. He's been a bit of a whipping boy since last year (some deserve some probably not) but being in the top 6 means he's gonna get a shortie pretty much 100% of the time. Right now he has more turnovers 2 then he does points on the year 1 (an assist vs BU). I think as laxmouse noted SU is trying to almost use him like English last year. I get the comp because McCarthy has looked very good playing SSDM but he's no where near the O player English was. Hottle is pushing the spot and I would give a lot of consideration to giving McIntee some run he has zero hesitation on pulling the trigger that's for sure. I still think McCarthy should be a full time SSDM because he has looked good whenever he's played there for extended minutes but regardless Fri is gonna be huge, he's gotta produce because Maryland is gonna shut off the attack and Joey.

The rest I think is mostly common sense Lax 101 stuff. Maryland has made a concerted effort to slow down SU transition since the OT game and they have been very successful. ON the other hand Maryland has killed SU in transition including 2 Larkin long pole goals last year. SU HAS TO limit Maryland in transition. You have to force these guys to score in the settled 6 on 6. On the flip side when you have transition push it, Ruppel is a good goalie, he's not McNaney, go after him.

Dodge and Carrier are probably the best 1-2 fogo group in the country and they can go 3 deep if needed. Johnny has to be at or near 50% Friday and the wing play has to be light years better then it was on Sat. McCarthy should be on the wing 90% of the time. Again this is a spot he usually excels get him the hell out there. Angelo showed some good stuff on Sat. Gonna need him again as he's likely gonna have to take a handful of draws. Very tough matchup, gotta win a few. Johnny has seen Dodge a few times so he knows what's coming there.

In closing I am a bit surprised SU re-upped the Maryland series. Clearly you wanna play best on best but it's not a great matchup for SU for a # of reasons I outlined above and you wonder if it's starting to become a mental thing ala a sort of here we go again when SU struggles for long stretches. Still if your gonna beat them this is the chance to set the tone for a possible playoff matchup and you get them at home. This regardless of the outcome will be a great measuring stick game.

Main thing to watch for is can SU play disciplined enough to win. Maryland has handled them because they have been by far the more buttoned up team (save for the OT game) and made much fewer mistakes ie penalties, off sides etc. SU needs to play physical but has to clean up the dumb mistakes and penalties that have haunted them vs Maryland (see the entire 1st half in the final four last year).
I'd hate to see the War and Peace breakdown. ;)
 
I would like to see Joey inside on the crease in a few sets. Force his shut off defender to be help side and decide whether to slide or give up a clean look off a dodge.

Joey may get lost in the wash and end up with a shorty or use some box savvy to finish inside. Doubt Maryland expects 22 to post up in/around the crease.
 
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#1 vs. #2 in the Dome on a Friday night in February? Oh man, it really, really hurts to live so far away from CNY right now.
 
Solid points Jeremy, I do wonder going forward if it's worth it to schedule this game, hate to have the mentality of well we can't beat them so stop playing them, but take off the Terps and you could put Army or Cornell etc back on.

As far as this game goes, I really hope the coaching staff is coming up with some new wrinkles I mean like you said these games always end up going the way Maryland wants to play. I'm hoping we give them some different looks, mix some things up, just give them something to think about and have to adjust!
 
Have to win the gb battle n any loose ball battle. Can’t not let maryland get extra possessions by missing or losing loose ball. I also agree have to play physical with them. Have to be constant on hands can not sit back n let them do what they want. We have to set n even force the tempo on D. Also think joey has to be very smart n not force things which end in turnovers. He isn’t gonna body his defender in this match up. Don’t try his signature move either everyone is ready for it. He has to let game come to him n take what is given, even if he isn’t the hero. Not saying he plays like that. Just saying he needs to be at his best this game even if involves no goals.

Young guys will have to beat their man n bury their shots. Maryland is not gonna give ya the crease feed may even bait ya to it so they can collapse on it. Hustle Hustle Hustle back up shots run out for every loose n 50/50 ball has to be ours.

Last thing tillman n maryland let’s win !!!


PLEASE 🙏🏻!
 
Have to win the gb battle n any loose ball battle. Can’t not let maryland get extra possessions by missing or losing loose ball. I also agree have to play physical with them. Have to be constant on hands can not sit back n let them do what they want. We have to set n even force the tempo on D. Also think joey has to be very smart n not force things which end in turnovers. He isn’t gonna body his defender in this match up. Don’t try his signature move either everyone is ready for it. He has to let game come to him n take what is given, even if he isn’t the hero. Not saying he plays like that. Just saying he needs to be at his best this game even if involves no goals.

Young guys will have to beat their man n bury their shots. Maryland is not gonna give ya the crease feed may even bait ya to it so they can collapse on it. Hustle Hustle Hustle back up shots run out for every loose n 50/50 ball has to be ours.

Last thing tillman n maryland let’s win !!!


PLEASE 🙏🏻!
ment to say - last thing forget tillman n forget maryland. but think it read what my mind was really saying n left it out cause wasn’t pretty words in my head
 
This really feels like the last mental hurdle for both the team and the fans honestly. A win makes it feel you've finally taken down the boogeyman and it's just playing high level lacrosse from here on out. Hopefully the seniors still have a bad taste in their mouths from the post season and take this one personally.
We took down the ND bogeyman last year. This is the final boss. Hoping we take down MD in a similar fashion with a huge crowd in the dome.
 
Any thoughts on what attendance will be like?

Tough to say. Fri night and the 6 start I think costs probably at least a 1k fans maybe even 1.5-2K. If I had to guess I would say about 8.5K-9K. Valentines day probably would have impacted if the game was Sat night but if this was a regular Sat night game I'd say 11K+
 
Tough to say. Fri night and the 6 start I think costs probably at least a 1k fans maybe even 1.5-2K. If I had to guess I would say about 8.5K-9K. Valentines day probably would have impacted if the game was Sat night but if this was a regular Sat night game I'd say 11K+
Is that enough to open the upper bowl? I went to one game last year (1st time in 20 years) and surprised me it was open. I liked being able to space out up there. I’m thinking of going on Friday.
 
Is that enough to open the upper bowl? I went to one game last year (1st time in 20 years) and surprised me it was open. I liked being able to space out up there. I’m thinking of going on Friday.

Yes, the upper bowl should be open. When it's not for a game like this it's just to packed down below and causes major issues. I fully expect it to be open.
 
1. Thomson playing 60 mins at attack probably isn't going to work. Maryland has limited him in the last two matchups to 1 goal it the reg season game and 2 in the playoff game (after the game was already out of hand). If your Syracuse you have to give some consideration to playing Leo at attack with Joey and Bear. Yes its not optimal because they both can't play the left slot but Leo can play either side or around the crease and it forces Maryland to play it straight up and they can't double pole the midfield. Would put pressure on McCarthy (more on him later) and Rhoa will have to deal with Larkin but you have to force Maryland to play it straight and not allow a double pole. It also for the 1st time since really the Desko area would put three above average dodgers on the attack line vs Maryland.
While I agree with almost everything here, I would push back a little bit on Thomson/having both Leo and Anderson in at attack. MD actually did put a long pole on Thomson in both games last year when he was at attack. Leo Rhoa and English had plenty of opportunities to dodge on short stick matchups as a result. Also MD held literally everyone to 1-2 goals in both games, so I do not think it is especially an indictment of Thomson that he scored so little in those. I think MD recognize the threat that he is with a short stick match up. It is harder to guard him when he gets open offball. If he sets a pick for Spallina or Leo/Anderson and forces a switch, then you have a short stick on that matchup.

But another main reason is that I think Anderson or Leo would have less opportunities to dodge from where they are most comfortable if they playing/initiating from x. Yes both have done it, but I would rather have one of them barrelling out of the box and potentially going against a short stick, instead of dodging from x with a guaranteed longpole matchup. They have more reps dodging from up top or the left wing on attack. But if for instance MD does put a short stick on Thomson this time and we do not make them pay in any way in the first half, then I hope we are willing to adapt and make some kind of change.
 
While I agree with almost everything here, I would push back a little bit on Thomson/having both Leo and Anderson in at attack. MD actually did put a long pole on Thomson in both games last year when he was at attack. Leo Rhoa and English had plenty of opportunities to dodge on short stick matchups as a result. Also MD held literally everyone to 1-2 goals in both games, so I do not think it is especially an indictment of Thomson that he scored so little in those. I think MD recognize the threat that he is with a short stick match up. It is harder to guard him when he gets open offball. If he sets a pick for Spallina or Leo/Anderson and forces a switch, then you have a short stick on that matchup.

But another main reason is that I think Anderson or Leo would have less opportunities to dodge from where they are most comfortable if they playing/initiating from x. Yes both have done it, but I would rather have one of them barrelling out of the box and potentially going against a short stick, instead of dodging from x with a guaranteed longpole matchup. They have more reps dodging from up top or the left wing on attack. But if for instance MD does put a short stick on Thomson this time and we do not make them pay in any way in the first half, then I hope we are willing to adapt and make some kind of change.

I did go back and your right, Maryland was pollign him a lot more then I remember in both games. He was shorted a few possessions but it wasn't nearly as much as I thought. As an aside Thomson missed a couple of goals he usually buries in both games.

SU middies as you noted didn't come through on their short stick matchups in either game which is concerning on the watchback. Obviously Schaller erasing Joey was what Maryland wanted to do defensively and force someone else to beat them which they did from essentially the 2nd half of the 1st game through the final four matchup. I do think that having 3 dodging options at attack would present a different wrinkle to throw at Maryland but certainly the mids going against shorties have to have success which is why McCarthy will need to play his best game on Fri night he will draw the 2nd shortie for sure.

I will say when you go back and watch both games, SU just couldn't get any consistency from the top 6. Leo had zero pts in the 1st match up and shot 2 for 11 in the final four game. Hiltz had 2 goals in the 1st matchup but only took 5 shots in the final four game and scored only 1 goal very early in the game and had no assists. Joey 1 assist in the final four game after 4 pts in the 1st meeting. Rhoa had only 1 pt in both games. English 1 pt in the 1st game and 3 pts in the 2nd. Obviously as you noted the mids vs short sticks struggled in both games. The 2nd mid line was zero factor in both games as well. 0pts in the 1st game and 1pt (an assist from Hottle) in the 2nd game. SU just isn't getting it done offensively.
 
I did go back and your right, Maryland was pollign him a lot more then I remember in both games. He was shorted a few possessions but it wasn't nearly as much as I thought. As an aside Thomson missed a couple of goals he usually buries in both games.

SU middies as you noted didn't come through on their short stick matchups in either game which is concerning on the watchback. Obviously Schaller erasing Joey was what Maryland wanted to do defensively and force someone else to beat them which they did from essentially the 2nd half of the 1st game through the final four matchup. I do think that having 3 dodging options at attack would present a different wrinkle to throw at Maryland but certainly the mids going against shorties have to have success which is why McCarthy will need to play his best game on Fri night he will draw the 2nd shortie for sure.

I will say when you go back and watch both games, SU just couldn't get any consistency from the top 6. Leo had zero pts in the 1st match up and shot 2 for 11 in the final four game. Hiltz had 2 goals in the 1st matchup but only took 5 shots in the final four game and scored only 1 goal very early in the game and had no assists. Joey 1 assist in the final four game after 4 pts in the 1st meeting. Rhoa had only 1 pt in both games. English 1 pt in the 1st game and 3 pts in the 2nd. Obviously as you noted the mids vs short sticks struggled in both games. The 2nd mid line was zero factor in both games as well. 0pts in the 1st game and 1pt (an assist from Hottle) in the 2nd game. SU just isn't getting it done offensively.
Prediction from lesser intelligent Lacrosse manic fan..... Bogue Hahn makes a difference in this game despite inexperience.
 
I did go back and your right, Maryland was pollign him a lot more then I remember in both games. He was shorted a few possessions but it wasn't nearly as much as I thought. As an aside Thomson missed a couple of goals he usually buries in both games.

SU middies as you noted didn't come through on their short stick matchups in either game which is concerning on the watchback. Obviously Schaller erasing Joey was what Maryland wanted to do defensively and force someone else to beat them which they did from essentially the 2nd half of the 1st game through the final four matchup. I do think that having 3 dodging options at attack would present a different wrinkle to throw at Maryland but certainly the mids going against shorties have to have success which is why McCarthy will need to play his best game on Fri night he will draw the 2nd shortie for sure.

I will say when you go back and watch both games, SU just couldn't get any consistency from the top 6. Leo had zero pts in the 1st match up and shot 2 for 11 in the final four game. Hiltz had 2 goals in the 1st matchup but only took 5 shots in the final four game and scored only 1 goal very early in the game and had no assists. Joey 1 assist in the final four game after 4 pts in the 1st meeting. Rhoa had only 1 pt in both games. English 1 pt in the 1st game and 3 pts in the 2nd. Obviously as you noted the mids vs short sticks struggled in both games. The 2nd mid line was zero factor in both games as well. 0pts in the 1st game and 1pt (an assist from Hottle) in the 2nd game. SU just isn't getting it done offensively.
It will be a tough one that's for sure. I hope in general our philosophy is that if something isn't working early we are not afraid to adjust. Usually if MD has an edge in a certain area early they do not start giving looks up there later.

Watching the Loyola game I certainly was intimidated by the new weapons and high goal total from MD, but Loyola was also a deeply flawed team last year, objectively worse than a team like St. Joes, and also lost their main stud on defense Remington Reynolds. They had similar lopsided results against very good but not elite teams like Colgate and Army. Hate to throw a former orange under the bus, but the fact they heavily use Vinnie Trujillo at ssdm, a guy who struggled a good deal here, is telling about their depth at that position. I am also glad that Keegan and Bryce Ford are out of the picture. Especially Ford, who did a lot of damage in both games against us.
 
Prediction from lesser intelligent Lacrosse manic fan... Bogue Hahn makes a difference in this game despite inexperience.
He hasn't been mentioned but I think McCool will be an important guy on Friday. I think he will need to be very sharp and steal a few.

I keep waiting for Cuse to explode offensively against a top 3 team but it hasn't happened unless you look at the playoff against Princeton last year. But...that was a run and gun shootout similar to some of our games against UVA a few years ago. And Princeton's D didn't impress me.
 

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