Get Hodgson, Get Melo on Board

[OrlandoCuse]

Re Hodgson – I haven’t really watched a game he coached yet so I wanted to do that since I saw they played today. You can’t really form a great opinion on style from what you read it is better to see it.

If I had to sum up his style in one word it would be MODERN.

Offense – They play fast and downhill. 4 out offense. High pick-n’ roll almost every time down. Very few ISO. They shoot a ton of 3s. Sometimes bad 3s sometimes good 3s but they launch a ton of them. It is either a 3 or a shot in the paint, very little to nothing in the mid-range.

Defense – Hard to tell they are playing someone terrible. They play physical man, but I can see how it wouldn’t be a strong suit. His system is set up for the offense to win games. They try to cause turnovers and run. They played a little 1-3-1 full-court press-type defense. Mixed it up a little but hard to tell much.

Coaching – I saw assistants drawing up plays in the huddle on offense which was nice to see. He seems really intense and into the game on the sidelines. Not afraid to have a conversation with a player while coming to the bench. I saw the ball stick one time and they ended up getting to the line as the shot clock expired but he was laying into his PG because the offense was stalled.

They are up 20 playing a bad team so I am probably not watching the second half.

So in summary, he passed the eye test

 

[kcsu]

So who's fault is that?

It's Red's.

 

[phil77]

So in summary, he passed the eye test

Yes it is a very fun style of basketball to watch. Game threads would be fun because you can hit 3 3s in a row and build a lead and then jack up 3 bad shots in a row and lose the lead lol roller coaster. If you want to watch the system with better athletes watch an Alabama game he runs the same system as his mentor Nate Oats.

 

[Blanko97]

Also that site literally says this at the top of it's rankings


They rank first because the talent level they had on the team last year was awful and they all transferred out. By average ranking they were probably around 25-30, hard to compare a class of 12 transfers vs a class of 2 or 3.

That's fair, i assumed it was like 247 and i was incorrect. thanks for clarifying.

 

[Blanko97]

Per Mike Waters from Do Syracuse officials need to look at Adrian Autry’s status? (Mike’s Mailbox) . Continues to hint at the fact that we need more NIL to be competitive. View attachment 248745

So does this article confirm that Day2 is just mike's burner?

 

[Newhouser]

Yes it is a very fun style of basketball to watch. Game threads would be fun because you can hit 3 3s in a row and build a lead and then jack up 3 bad shots in a row and lose the lead lol roller coaster. If you want to watch the system with better athletes watch an Alabama game he runs the same system as his mentor Nate Oats.

I wonder how his system would change - if at all - if he got P4 level players.

 

[kingtidge]

So does this article confirm that Day2 is just mike's burner?

What it shows is the plan right now is still to run it back next year damn the torpedoes.

The article talking points were likely fed to Waters to bolster the rationale for that to the public.

I am not surprised at all by it as it would seem they really don't want to pull the cord on Red at this point for a number of obvious reasons (poorly structured buyout, recruiting continuity, only year 2, etc.) Plus, while many of us knew this might be a transition year to an extent, no one thought it would be this bad (including the administration.)

The only outliers are if home game attendance trendline continues on the flatline and if the season tix renewals are also in the dumpster on deadline day.

They can't run it back with these attendances and, if the the renewals at deadline are way down, it may force a move.

I highly doubt we can afford to absorb such revenue shortfalls for another year and it's maths at that point.

I would guess that JW and the Chancellor/BOT are watching carefully and JW has to have a plan b forming because of reality.

 

[JaySU22]

Red's positives and weaknesses (as I see them)

positives:
1) good HS recruiter


negatives:
1) poor X's & O's coach
2) poor in-game coach
3) poor leadership
4) very bad transfer portal evaluator

5) poor motivator

 

[PauliePeppas]

not going after Hodgson will be looked at like not going after Oats in a few years. Wake up John

 

[Blanko97]

Plus, while many of us knew this might be a transition year to an extent, no one thought it would be this bad (including the administration.)

That really grinds my gears, there is no such thing as a "transition year" anymore. That's simply not an excuse that can be used when the transfer portal exists. Beyond that, what makes next year a non-transition year? You're going to have significant turnover once again (because thats how the transfer portal works) will it be an excuse next year as well?

If Syracuse had a 2018 era duke class coming in, id say run it back but honestly, White, Anthony and Fennel don't exactly scream "once in a lifetime class"

 

[kingtidge]

That really grinds my gears, there is no such thing as a "transition year" anymore. That's simply not an excuse that can be used when the transfer portal exists. Beyond that, what makes next year a non-transition year? You're going to have significant turnover once again (because thats how the transfer portal works) will it be an excuse next year as well?

If Syracuse had a 2018 era duke class coming in, id say run it back but honestly, White, Anthony and Fennel don't exactly scream "once in a lifetime class"

OK, well, they brought the portal class and said it was great... then the administration immediately hired Kline to take over player targeting while many here rang alarm bells that the transfers coming weren't good enough.

Transition because we immediately changed how we were handling the portal and the fact that, while opinions were mixed on how good the new blood would be, very few expected we'd be this bad and serially non-competitive.

We whiffed big time.

 

[PhatOrange]

If they need more NIL they should call Adam Weits...oh wait sorry my bad.

This NIL thing is an annoying excuse to justify a coach whose team displays poor fundamentals, is careless with the ball, makes terrible decisions, and shows little effort.

 

[AZOrange]

Hodgson or McCollum.

Regardless of NIL and talent level, Red’s terrible. Players don’t play hard for him. That says everything.

This x10000000

 

[cusefan88]

A third year would be appropriate if the team was playing hard and displayed something of an identity. That would make sense if Red can coach but needed portal help (Kline hire).

The coaching is just rough. The Kenny Payne jokes suck but they have a lot of the same "I don't even know what to do" looks during games.

 

[phil77]

I wonder how his system would change - if at all - if he got P4 level players.

From the looks of it he will probably run the same system no matter who he has. It is his system and what he believes in would be my guess. Sort of like Nate Oats every stop he has made he has ran the same system.

 

[DilemaCuse]

What it shows is the plan right now is still to run it back next year damn the torpedoes.

The article talking points were likely fed to Waters to bolster the rationale for that to the public.

I am not surprised at all by it as it would seem they really don't want to pull the cord on Red at this point for a number of obvious reasons (poorly structured buyout, recruiting continuity, only year 2, etc.) Plus, while many of us knew this might be a transition year to an extent, no one thought it would be this bad (including the administration.)

The only outliers are if home game attendance trendline continues on the flatline and if the season tix renewals are also in the dumpster on deadline day.

They can't run it back with these attendances and, if the the renewals at deadline are way down, it may force a move.

I highly doubt we can afford to absorb such revenue shortfalls for another year and it's maths at that point.

I would guess that JW and the Chancellor/BOT are watching carefully and JW has to have a plan b forming because of reality.

Curious, when is the deadline for season ticket renewals? I assume after the season.

If so, unlikely that will have an impact on a HC decision in the 25 off-season. It will be too far down the road when all the accounting has been done.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Red's positives and weaknesses (as I see them)

positives:
1) good HS recruiter


negatives:
1) poor X's & O's coach
2) poor in-game coach
3) poor leadership
4) very bad transfer portal evaluator

Yeah, when it seems you cant motivate and you can't X/O those are 2 big strikes against you. You then are gonna need to rely on your talent to overcome your shortcomings and then when its perceived you have major talent, the expectations are raised. And then when you don't meet them your either fired or looking to skip town. We saw 2 examples of this last offseason, when Endfield left USC for SMU and Calipari left Tucky for Arky.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Curious, when is the deadline for season ticket renewals? I assume after the season.

If so, unlikely that will have an impact on a HC decision in the 25 off-season. It will be too far down the road when all the accounting has been done.

May 1

 

[CuseTG2003]

Hodgson being from Upstate NY is a big deal and makes him a lot more likely to stick around for a long time if he's successful.

McCollum's proven to be a great coach, but he's a Midwest guy. I think he'd leave for a B1G job in a heartbeat.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Hodgson or bust

 

[bnoro]

Hodgson being from Upstate NY is a big deal and makes him a lot more likely to stick around for a long time if he's successful.

McCollum's proven to be a great coach, but he's a Midwest guy. I think he'd leave for a B1G job in a heartbeat.

How often do power conference coaches leave power conference jobs voluntarily?

Syracuse basketball is not a stepping stone job. Hire the best fit.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

How often do power conference coaches leave power conference jobs voluntarily?

Syracuse basketball is not a stepping stone job. Hire the best fit.

More often than you might think:

Cooley
Musselman
Enfield
Underwood
Cronin
Dixon
Pope
Calipari
Roy Williams
Mike White
Leonard Hamilton
Tony Bennett
Greg McDermott
Kevin Willard
Chris Mack
Beilein
Holtmann (Butler to tOSU)
Buzz Williams (Marq to Va Tech, Va Tech to Texas A&M)
Self
Shaka (Tex to Marq)
Tubby (UGA to UK, UK to Minnesota)
Oliver Purnell
Lavin
Crean (Marq to IU)
Kelvin Sampson (OU to IU)
Huggy
Howland
Frank Martin
Cuonzo Martin (Tenn to Cal, Cal to Missouri)
Lon Kruger (Kansas State to Florida, Florida to Illinois)
Alford (UCLA to Nevada)
Herb Sendek (NC State to ASU)
Billy Gillispie
Gary Williams (BC to tOSU, tOSU to MD)
Trent Johnson (TCU to Stanford)

Some of those guys would've been fired if they hadn't resigned, but they weren't.

 

[bnoro]

More often than you might think:

Cooley
Musselman
Enfield
Underwood
Cronin
Dixon
Pope
Calipari
Roy Williams
Mike White
Leonard Hamilton
Tony Bennett
Greg McDermott
Kevin Willard
Chris Mack
Beilein
Holtmann (Butler to tOSU)
Buzz Williams (Marq to Va Tech, Va Tech to Texas A&M)
Self
Shaka (Tex to Marq)
Tubby (UGA to UK, UK to Minnesota)
Oliver Purnell
Lavin
Crean (Marq to IU)
Kelvin Sampson (OU to IU)
Huggy
Howland
Frank Martin
Cuonzo Martin (Tenn to Cal, Cal to Missouri)
Lon Kruger (Kansas State to Florida, Florida to Illinois)
Alford (UCLA to Nevada)
Herb Sendek (NC State to ASU)
Billy Gillispie
Gary Williams (BC to tOSU, tOSU to MD)
Trent Johnson (TCU to Stanford)

Some of those guys would've been fired if they hadn't resigned, but they weren't.

Okay I didn't think I had to specify "bought out of their contracts to be hired elsewhere". I also think there are some clear "prestige" upgrades on this list, and others who were falling out of favor so took a job elsewhere. i.e. Pope and Cal clearly don't belong on this list.

No one is leaving SU to go to another program.

 

[baggerbob]

What it shows is the plan right now is still to run it back next year damn the torpedoes.

The article talking points were likely fed to Waters to bolster the rationale for that to the public.

I am not surprised at all by it as it would seem they really don't want to pull the cord on Red at this point for a number of obvious reasons (poorly structured buyout, recruiting continuity, only year 2, etc.) Plus, while many of us knew this might be a transition year to an extent, no one thought it would be this bad (including the administration.)

The only outliers are if home game attendance trendline continues on the flatline and if the season tix renewals are also in the dumpster on deadline day.

They can't run it back with these attendances and, if the the renewals at deadline are way down, it may force a move.

I highly doubt we can afford to absorb such revenue shortfalls for another year and it's maths at that point.

I would guess that JW and the Chancellor/BOT are watching carefully and JW has to have a plan b forming because of reality.

It took 8 years of Dino, this is year 11 for the basketball program, and it's getting worse.
Who really sees anything in the in game coaching to believe Red has any idea what he is doing?
There is no consistent offense or defensive style, he doesn't seem to make any adjustments as the game goes on.