Gillon is David Patrick

[STEVEHOLT]

minus the ability to help one land Ben Simmons

 

[OrangeDW]

He's better than that. I get that he's 5'9 and will have trouble finishing amongst the trees, but you'd think he would have made one or two of those almost by accident or pure luck or something. He had to be like 0-8 around the rim. And the few times he got fouled, he even missed some FT's. Frustrating.

While I'm at it, why the f does White shoot fade away FT's? Supposed to be such a deadeye shooter and he's up there shooting fadeaway FT's, clanking all kinds of much needed supposedly easy ones. So disappointing.

 

[tbonezone]

wee darby o-gillon had one nice 2 minute shooter to throw back with 35 minutes of what the

 

[OHIORANGES]

Then who's Frank Howard?
Kalib Joseph?

 

[Toga]

He either needs to jack open 24 footers or dish to a shooter on the wing early in his move to the basket. Nothing else.

 

[Zepharus]

Then who's Frank Howard?
Kalib Joseph?

Id say he is starting to look like Josh Wright to me. Right down to the crappy attitude he openly displays

 

[dasher]

He is a lot better than either Wright or Patrick. Probably not a good fit for us. But I could see him doing a lot of damage against us.

 

[two3zone]

Id say he is starting to look like Josh Wright to me. Right down to the crappy attitude he openly displays

Howard has the worst attitude I've seen since freshman Waiters.

 

[pearl31]

Howard has the worst attitude I've seen since freshman Waiters.

seems that way, and there's no cousin Scoop to rein him in

 

[two3zone]

seems that way, and there's no cousin Scoop to rein him in

I keep forgetting that, just shows how even more valuable Scoop was when he was here.

 

[OrangeDW]

I keep forgetting that, just shows how even more valuable Scoop was when he was here.

All we need is a Scoop on this team and we'd be fine. Just a solid PG. A Scoop, a Triche, an Allen Griffin. We never had trouble getting a solid PG. It's getting ridiculous.

 

[pearl31]

and the thing is, much of Dion's attitude his frosh year was he thought he was being wronged with PT - Frankie has no such claim, he's being given every chance via big minutes

 

[OrangeDW]

and the thing is, much of Dion's attitude his frosh year was he thought he was being wronged with PT - Frankie has no such claim, he's being given every chance via big minutes

I haven't noticed this "horrible attitude" others are talking about, but if it's true...add that to the things I'm baffled about with Howard this year. What possible reason would he have to have a bad attitude? Just play better. That's it.

 

[pearl31]

I haven't noticed this "horrible attitude" others are talking about, but if it's true...add that to the things I'm baffled about with Howard this year. What possible reason would he have to have a bad attitude? Just play better. That's it.

yeah I don't think it's been "horrible" like some are suggesting but his body language has been pretty bad (esp in the SC game and yesterday)

 

[MSOrange]

yeah I don't think it's been "horrible" like some are suggesting but his body language has been pretty bad (esp in the SC game and yesterday)

I agree. I hesitate to say he has a bad attitude. I think, just like everyone else, he had high hopes for the team and himself this season, and is having trouble handling the frustration at times. I guess some might call that a bad attitude but not sure I would go that far.

 

[RF2044]

He is a lot better than either Wright or Patrick. Probably not a good fit for us. But I could see him doing a lot of damage against us.

Agreed. Dumb thread. And not just because I'm "defending" Gillon -- much of this criticism of him is off the mark, and the data bears that out.

 

[br801]

Agreed. Dumb thread. And not just because I'm "defending" Gillon -- much of this criticism of him is off the mark, and the data bears that out.

While Gillon has disappointed in big spots (as have all of the rotation guys), if you look at advanced metrics like PER, TS% and eFG%, he has the numbers of a star, and actually leads this team in each of those categories to date. So while he may not be passing the eye test, it's really ludicrous to be comparing him to the likes of Josh Wright, David Patrick and Kaleb Joseph.

 

[tbonezone]

we shouldn't turn on our own ever. this team has shown some glaring weaknesses but pointing fingers only dramatizes the conflict between the civilizing instinct and the barbarizing instinct that exist in all human beings. i learned that lesson after reading lord of the flies in 9th grade .
just before that m%$therf564KER coach demoted me to 2nd string . hand to god if i saw that smug old basterd today...

 

[SUFan44]

Agreed. Dumb thread. And not just because I'm "defending" Gillon -- much of this criticism of him is off the mark, and the data bears that out.

Data against good teams does not. But if that's convenient for you, so be it.

 

[OrangeDW]

David Patrick did nothing, even at Louisiana Lafayette.

David Patrick College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

 

[RF2044]

Data against good teams does not. But if that's convenient for you, so be it.

The data does not fit the asinine David Patrick comparison.

And while he hasn't been great, the data certainly supports that he's been a lot better than Howard. You should go look before you comment.

 

[NKR1978]

I keep forgetting that, just shows how even more valuable Scoop was when he was here.

Scoop and Cooney are the two most needlessly maligned players in the last 15 years. Brandon Triche is probably number 3 on that list.

 

[RF2044]

Scoop and Cooney are the two most needlessly maligned players in the last 15 years. Brandon Triche is probably number 3 on that list.

Agree 100℅.

 

[NKR1978]

Agree 100℅.

It's been so long since we were consistently fun to watch offensively.

 

[SUFan44]

The data does not fit the asinine David Patrick comparison.

And while he hasn't been great, the data certainly supports that he's been a lot better than Howard. You should go look before you comment.

Somewhere please find where I have compared Gillon and Howard.

Agreed - he's much better than Patrick. And he's not horrible.

Just not as good as you claimed him to be preseason and not good enough against good teams to help this team get to where we want it to go.