Girard 2023 VS Buddy 2022?

[OrangeDW]

buddy was a poor passer...worse 3 point shooter than joe

he disappeared a lot in his senior year...might have a better record with him than joe but its no slam dunk

Other than the passer, all those “flaws” were primarily caused by Joe being his PG.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Other than the passer, all those “flaws” were primarily caused by Joe being his PG.

no they werent ...i edited my post...

how do you explain all the brickfest games buddy had??

 

[OrangeDW]

no they werent ...i edited my post...

how do you explain all the brickfest games buddy had??

Because Joe was his PG and nobody on the team could penetrate the defense, so he was blanketed all the time.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Because Joe was his PG and nobody on the team could penetrate the defense, so he was blanketed all the time.

joe can get his shot off 1 on 1 better than buddy, imo...at least from 3

 

[rrlbees]

Other than the passer, all those “flaws” were primarily caused by Joe being his PG.

My god.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Was wondering who people would take factoring in everything-Scoring, passing, rebounding, defense. I figure most would take Buddy and I might, but I don't think it's a slam dunk, as most would have thought going in to the year. Buddy is the better scorer, but think JG3 gives you more of the other things.

Buddy was way better.

 

[OrangeDW]

My god.

I said that often when he was bringing the ball up the court against pressure.

Glad to see him having by far the best year of his career while playing the position he should’ve spent his last 3 years playing.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I said that often when he was bringing the ball up the court against pressure.

Glad to see him having by far the best year of his career while playing the position he should’ve spent his last 3 years playing.

Amen

 

[rrlbees]

I said that often when he was bringing the ball up the court against pressure.

Glad to see him having by far the best year of his career while playing the position he should’ve spent his last 3 years playing.

Any Buddy flaws were due to Joe. Ok.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Any Buddy flaws were due to Joe. Ok.

Except his rebounding allergy. That was because he refused to take his medication

 

[OrangeDW]

Any Buddy flaws were due to Joe. Ok.

No, just him not shooting it as well his senior year and “disappearing” often - the things I was replying to.

Not just due to Joe….due to having a team full of slow jump shooters that couldn’t do anything off the dribble. But I think having a player like that at PG was the spot that affected the rest of the offense the most.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Whats elite about him is this serious? He didn't come close to hitting 40% of his three point attempts any of his seasons here. The last year he had his lowest percentage. Nice kid and put up good stats but elite?

Think about this for a minute - Buddy is currently shooting 41% from three in the G League, averaging 11 points and 4 rebounds in 25 minutes a game. He's averaging roughly 3 for 7 from three every night.

And playing in the G League is like playing against college all-stars and borderline pros, many of whom are grown men.

When Buddy doesn't have to be the entire focus of the offense, and can just play a role on a team, he shows that he can be better than he was in college, against better competition.

I don't see Joe being able to match what Buddy is doing right now, or even come close, honestly, against G League competition.

 

[djcon57]

No, just him not shooting it as well his senior year and “disappearing” often - the things I was replying to.

Not just due to Joe….due to having a team full of slow jump shooters that couldn’t do anything off the dribble. But I think having a player like that at PG was the spot that affected the rest of the offense the most.

I can’t believe this is a controversial take.

 

[newmexicuse]

Yikes, I said I did not think Buddy's season moved the needle compared to Joe's season, yet many here say how much better Buddy is and how much better the team would be with him instead of Joe.

The records speak for themselves - last year we were below .500 and Buddy was on a team that had real forwards up front.

This year we probably end up a bit over .500.

If Buddy's season was so much > than Joe's season, I need somebody to help me with reconciling the team results, which is really all that matters.

 

[OrangeDW]

Yikes, I said I did not think Buddy's season moved the needle compared to Joe's season, yet many here say how much better Buddy is and how much better the team would be with him instead of Joe.

The records speak for themselves - last year we were below .500 and Buddy was on a team that had real forwards up front.

This year we probably end up a bit over .500.

If Buddy's season was so much > than Joe's season, I need somebody to help me with reconciling the team results, which is really all that matters.

Joe was on the team playing a pretty big role too, last year.

This team is better because we finally have a guard who can go by somebody and score, handle the ball, and pass.

 

[djcon57]

Yikes, I said I did not think Buddy's season moved the needle compared to Joe's season, yet many here say how much better Buddy is and how much better the team would be with him instead of Joe.

The records speak for themselves - last year we were below .500 and Buddy was on a team that had real forwards up front.

This year we probably end up a bit over .500.

If Buddy's season was so much > than Joe's season, I need somebody to help me with reconciling the team results, which is really all that matters.

Sure.

Last year we started an Ivy league power forward and had no valid ballhandler at PG.

This year we have an someone who can defend and rebound at power forward and an actual ballhandler at PG.

 

[rrlbees]

I can’t believe this is a controversial take.

Easy due to the gross exaggerations.

 

[djcon57]

Easy due to the gross exaggerations.

"But I think having a player like that at PG was the spot that affected the rest of the offense the most."

This is a gross exaggeration?

I mean...are we this deep in on agendas now that we can't suggest having someone who could penetrate and defend at point guard would have helped a team with two NBA level shooters that don't play great D?

 

[tbonezone]

When Buddy doesn't have to be the entire focus of the offense, and can just play a role on a team,

hmmm. led the ACC in shot attempts 2 years . who do you think made buddy the entire focus of our offense ? dad perhaps ?

 

[rrlbees]

"But I think having a player like that at PG was the spot that affected the rest of the offense the most."

This is a gross exaggeration?

I mean...are we this deep in on agendas now that we can't suggest having someone who could penetrate and defend at point guard would have helped a team with two NBA level shooters that don't play great D?

Try looking at the original post I responded too instead of twisting it. I didn’t say anything about the overall team. Joe was not the reason for buddys weaknesses nor how he shot when he shot bad. In fact, with the type of game buddy played, I’m not so sure Judah would have helped him at all. Buddy dominated the ball. His shots were 3’s and back downs and an occasional turn around jumper. What kind of PG could have enhanced his game? One that could penetrate but could kick it out at times. For all the improvements Judah as made this year as a PG that is the one area he has not shown at all. Judah would not have gotten buddy any better looks.

 

[tbonezone]

joe turns it over more because he is trying to do alot more with the ball other than shoot and make simple passes.

joe actually brings the ball up court. something buddy couldn't do.

 

[djcon57]

Try looking at the original post I responded too instead of twisting it. I didn’t say anything about the overall team. Joe was not the reason for buddys weaknesses nor how he shot when he shot bad. In fact, with the type of game buddy played, I’m not so sure Judah would have helped him at all. Buddy dominated the ball. His shots were 3’s and back downs and an occasional turn around jumper. What kind of PG could have enhanced his game? One that could penetrate but could kick it out at times. For all the improvements Judah as made this year as a PG that is the one area he has not shown at all. Judah would not have gotten buddy any better looks.

Yeah.

I just fundamentally disagree that adding Judah to a team of Cole, Jimmy Jr, and Jesse would not have gotten Buddy better looks.

 

[Jake]

This isn’t really that hard. It’s Buddy. He’s just a better player. Partly because of his size, but I also this he’s just a smarter player as well, though not nearly the athlete joe is.

Last year teams put their best defender on Buddy, every frigging night. Joe was the third option on the scouting report. Like Buddy was his sophomore year. He got wide open looks last year and took advantage. But that team could not defend or rebound no matter how many points we scored.

This year it’s really been split on how teams have defended us. Some chose to put their best defender on Judah, and others decide to lock up Joe. Joes never really drawn the top defender consistently, probably because he doesn’t deserve that type of attention.

Joe is simply easier to defend because you can put a smaller quick player on him. You couldn’t do that with buddy - he shot right over them like he did in the ncaas his Jr year.

Stats are the result of talent and strategy. I don’t know why so many people choose to ignore the second part of this equation. Stevie Thompson had a great shooting pct because he only shot layups and dunks. I swear some would champion him the greatest shooter in Cuse history because ….um….stats.

Asking your best player to take really hard shots because it still might be the best option is going to hurt stats, but may win games. “80% of Derrick Coleman is better than 100% of Derek Brower” I think JB once said.

He has consistently asked his best players to stretch their scoring abilities when needed on offensively challenged teams….GMAC, Burgan Buddy Damone Brown….just to name a few. It’s kills stats, but probably maxed out win totals most years.

And it nearly always made fans crazy. “Why is he taking that shot!!!”

 

[Jake]

Wow, I'm really surprised at this sort of post. Buddy could single handedly take over games vs very good to great teams with his offense.

You give him a valid PG who can get in the lane consistently like Judah?

Buddy easily gives us 2-3 more wins IMO. Much closer to the bubble

If buddy had come back he’d be starting at the 3 this year…which is essentially Justin Taylor on steroids. We’d still be getting killed on the glass, but we’d put more offensive pressure on defenses.

 

[rrlbees]

This isn’t really that hard. It’s Buddy. He’s just a better player. Partly because of his size, but I also this he’s just a smarter player as well, though not nearly the athlete joe is.

Last year teams put their best defender on Buddy, every frigging night. Joe was the third option on the scouting report. Like Buddy was his sophomore year. He got wide open looks last year and took advantage. But that team could not defend or rebound no matter how many points we scored.

This year it’s really been split on how teams have defended us. Some chose to put their best defender on Judah, and others decide to lock up Joe. Joes never really drawn the top defender consistently, probably because he doesn’t deserve that type of attention.

Joe is simply easier to defend because you can put a smaller quick player on him. You couldn’t do that with buddy - he shot right over them like he did in the ncaas his Jr year.

Stats are the result of talent and strategy. I don’t know why so many people choose to ignore the second part of this equation. Stevie Thompson had a great shooting pct because he only shot layups and dunks. I swear some would champion him the greatest shooter in Cuse history because ….um….stats.

Asking your best player to take really hard shots because it still might be the best option is going to hurt stats, but may win games. “80% of Derrick Coleman is better than 100% of Derek Brower” I think JB once said.

He has consistently asked his best players to stretch their scoring abilities when needed on offensively challenged teams….GMAC, Burgan Buddy Damone Brown….just to name a few. It’s kills stats, but probably maxed out win totals most years.

And it nearly always made fans crazy. “Why is he taking that shot!!!”

Ha. That’s 80% of DC comment was said by JB to me.