Good Cooney news...

[bozophobe]

Plus that he might have gotten laid 800 times. I hear that helps.

Hopefully he doesn't spend too much time on first base. We don't need anymore players out for 6 weeks with mono.

 

[tee1222]

Hopefully he doesn't spend too much time on first base. We don't need anymore players out for 6 weeks with mono.

 

[Garbs]

In real games I've never seen anyone miss shots by such a wide left/right margin.

You must be blocking out the mcroskey/Roberts years

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[orangefan13]

We scrimmage and play 5 on 5, m2m Defense as well as zone in practice. There should be little difference in skill level in practice and games when you have guys like MCW, and Gbinije guarding you.

There is more pressure in games as the shot means more, more people are watching, theres thousands of minds staring right inside your psyche. If you screw up you are going to know it. I would think thats all mental though and less skill.

 

[Shaggy]

Cooney will be OK in my opinion. He is used to the speed now and once he stops worrying about weather his shot will go in or not, he could be dangerous.
Cooney had my favorite dunk of all of last year. I forget the game, he went baseline and threw down two handed with some authority, I jumped from my chair and knocked over a full Old Millwakee.

 

[pearl31]

generally speaking designated shooters aren't good early on. too much self imposed pressure. basketball wise, he's a soph.

way too coherent for an iggy post

 

[AZOrange]

The issues I have with Trevor's game:

1. No real burst on his drive moves and he showed no special ability to finish at the rim. Devo he is not.


Yes, I really want to have a nice southern fried crow dinner with some yummy humble pie ala mode for dessert over this post, but I gotta say what I saw from last season.

He had a move in one of the NCAA games where he went baseline and finished 2 handed jam. He's plenty athletic and more so than devo who wasn't particularly.

 

[reedny]

My faith in him is somewhat shaken. But I still believe he can turn it around this year. The opportunity is there for him, and the good news is that we have guys who can fill in just in case, ie, Gbinije, Buss, BJ.

Either this competition lights a fire in him or someone takes over the job. One way or the other, you have to give JB credit for filling the needs at this slot. Options are good here. And I would love for Cooney to prove me and others wrong.

After a year to practice and learn the system, he played pretty decent D, but quickly became a head-case on offense. 27% from 3 isn't going to get it done, especially this year with two 6'7 studs like MG and BJ preparing to eat his lunch. Under normal circumstances, BJ and MG could slide to the 3 and get minutes.

But this isn't a normal program. The 3 is loaded.

 

[HoustonCuse]

way too coherent for an iggy post

No doubt the work of hackers.

 

[tee1222]

After a year to practice and learn the system, he played pretty decent D, but quickly became a head-case on offense. 29% from 3 isn't going to get it done, especially this year with two 6'7 studs like MG and BJ preparing to eat his lunch. Under normal circumstances, BJ and MG could slide to the 3 and get minutes.

But this isn't a normal program. The 3 is loaded.

Here's the real question. Although we have seen guys like Rak, AO, Rick Jackson move between 4 and 5, does anyone seeing us having a guy that moves from playing defense at 3 to SG at the top of the zone?
I believe this will be a hard change during the season which makes me think once BJ and MikeG are figured out, they stay in that position defensively for the season.
Thoughts?
I could be way off on this one.

 

[Gabjon]

Here's the real question. Although we have seen guys like Rak, AO, Rick Jackson move between 4 and 5, does anyone seeing us having a guy that moves from playing defense at 3 to SG at the top of the zone?
I believe this will be a hard change during the season which makes me think once BJ and MikeG are figured out, they stay in that position defensively for the season.
Thoughts?
I could be way off on this one.

Moten did it, Also once Tyler R is cleared I think both BJ and Mike G are full time guards

 

[tee1222]

Moten did it, Also once Tyler R is cleared I think both BJ and Mike G are full time guards

Definitely agree about Roberson as we'll be plenty deep at forward, but as for Moten, did we play 2-3 zone 95% of the time?
I honestly can't remember, but it seems like JB has only been this zone intensive for the past 5-10 years.

 

[reedny]

Here's the real question. Although we have seen guys like Rak, AO, Rick Jackson move between 4 and 5, does anyone seeing us having a guy that moves from playing defense at 3 to SG at the top of the zone?
I believe this will be a hard change during the season which makes me think once BJ and MikeG are figured out, they stay in that position defensively for the season.
Thoughts?
I could be way off on this one.

Well, the 2's wide open. And I think the issue with BJ playing that spot is, can he stay in front of D-1 SG's and prevent penetration. If he can move his feet, I think he has the talent to play and contribute. If not, then his only chance for PT is SF. And I'm not sure he can break the rotation at the 3 (with Roberson and CJ already there).

 

[Gabjon]

Definitely agree about Roberson as we'll be plenty deep at forward, but as for Moten, did we play 2-3 zone 95% of the time?
I honestly can't remember, but it seems like JB has only been this zone intensive for the past 5-10 years.

maybe 85% of the time, but that's alot

 

[tee1222]

I think the issue there is ... if BJ's playing the 2, can he check his man at the top of the zone. If he can't stay in front of D-1 SG's, then his only chance for PT is SF. And I'm not sure he can break the rotation at the 3 (with Roberson and CJ already there).

Right now, from the look of the pictures (and missing Roberson might play into this, but who knows) BJ is moving on the baseline to wing, one picture was him covering CJ on an entry pass. He might be working out as a 3 right now.
Still, I've seen some dribbling skills in practice, so he's a really hard read in that manner.

Either way, having a guy of that height that can shoot over any guard is a really nice, unconventional weapon that we haven't had in recent years. Southerland had that ability as a forward, but this guy is practically the same height and might end up playing guard this year. Mind, beyond blown.

 

[Gabjon]

I think the issue there is ... if BJ's playing the 2, can he check his man at the top of the zone. If he can't stay in front of D-1 SG's, then his only chance for PT is SF. And I'm not sure he can break the rotation at the 3 (with Roberson and CJ already there).

In our zone with his length easily. He's a guard...MCW with more 2"... tall, thin and can move his feet.

 

[Gabjon]

Right now, from the look of the pictures (and missing Roberson might play into this, but who knows) BJ is moving on the baseline to wing, one picture was him covering CJ on an entry pass. He might be working out as a 3 right now.
Still, I've seen some dribbling skills in practice, so he's a really hard read in that manner.

Either way, having a guy of that height that can shoot over any guard is a really nice, unconventional weapon that we haven't had in recent years. Southerland had that ability as a forward, but this guy is practically the same height and might end up playing guard this year. Mind, beyond blown.

BJ has a better right hand than Southerland right now and James is right handed.

 

[thebigeast44]

BJ has a bright future but it's more likely IMHO that he averages 5 minutes or less a game come conference time. CJ will play the most or 2nd most number of minutes on the team at SF (only Ennis should challenge him at PG) and BJ has Mike and Trevor ahead of him at 2G. His ability shooting the 3 could get him on the floor more if we have problems from downtown. But I wonder if at the end of the season, many of us don't wish he had redshirted this year.

As for Cooney, I have no doubt he'll play better this year. Asking for him to shoot 45% from 3 as one poster suggested we need him to do is going way overboard. Not many players in Syracuse history have hit that number in a season and none in a career. But he'll be a valuable backup at 2G and I'm glad we have him.

Let's Go Orange!

 

[dundundun]

Anyone worried a bit about how muscular he is getting dude is jacked not sure I have seen a 3 point machine that has been that muscular before ..

I'm not too worried.

 

[Rocco]

Cooney will be OK in my opinion. He is used to the speed now and once he stops worrying about weather his shot will go in or not, he could be dangerous.
Cooney had my favorite dunk of all of last year. I forget the game, he went baseline and threw down two handed with some authority, I jumped from my chair and knocked over a full Old Millwakee.

I agree. I hope Cooney has lost his cobwebs from last year. The pressure really got to him, you could tell. With another year under his belt and him having a great opportunity for substantial PT this year, he should be up for the challenge.

We need to hear Scoop-esque "COOOOOOOOOOOOOneys" at the Dome.

 

[TheRoyalIveyFund]

I agree. I hope Cooney has lost his cobwebs from last year. The pressure really got to him, you could tell. With another year under his belt and him having a great opportunity for substantial PT this year, he should be up for the challenge.

We need to hear Scoop-esque "COOOOOOOOOOOOOneys" at the Dome.

With this post, I wonder if this is one of the coaches heaping praise for confidence, the mental-angle? Reports were Cooney was dead eye in practice, so we know he can shoot. If that does come around, look out because I thought he understood the zone as well as any of our frosh have. He was much better d than I envisioned. He looks bulky, so you don't think of that as quick. But, he was real quick in the zone and imagine three more years of knowing spacing, angles, etc.

If he becomes the dead-eye shooter Gmac thinks he is, look out!

This is what makes our talent unprecedented, esp. related to depth. In year's past, if a player like TC didn't develop, it set us back (think TRob and Mookie's class). Now, we can almost have several misses and not miss a beat.

Either way, how can anyone not support Cooney. He hustled his butt off and that's all we can ask.

 

[SBU72]

Moten did it, Also once Tyler R is cleared I think both BJ and Mike G are full time guards

I seem to remember a guy by the name of Andy Rautins doing it alot.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

If he becomes the dead-eye shooter Gmac thinks he is, look out!

This is what makes our talent unprecedented, esp. related to depth. In year's past, if a player like TC didn't develop, it set us back (think TRob and Mookie's class). Now, we can almost have several misses and not miss a beat.

.

I disagree somewhat. Yes, our recruiting has gotten better but there are areas where we can not afford to miss. For example:

First, is Cooney himself. His last year performance goes in the miss column and it cost us. With a decent performance SU would have taken down Michigan.

Second, we cannot afford a miss on Ennis. He has to be competent.

 

[TheRoyalIveyFund]

I disagree somewhat. Yes, our recruiting has gotten better but there are areas where we can not afford to miss. For example:

First, is Cooney himself. His last year performance goes in the miss column and it cost us. With a decent performance SU would have taken down Michigan.

Second, we cannot afford a miss on Ennis. He has to be competent.

Yes, we are not there yet but really, is anyone ever there? We cannot miss on Ennis, no doubt. That's why I threw almost in there. I think we are deeper with talent, maybe than ever. DC and Billy's teams were more top-heavy but I don't think 6-10 was the same.

I think we survived just fine on "missing" on Cooney last year (meaning, we hoped for a big year) and if the guys that delivered all year, if they had delivered vs Mich, we win walking away. We survived just fine "missing" DC2's major impact, the one many thought he'd have. In year's past, we'd miss on Josh Wright and we're bringing in Louie McCrosky. That is the point I was hoping to make.

Regarding Michigan, our lotto pick and one of the main reasons we were even there, went 1-6 with 2 points and 5 TO's. Even a slightly below avg game from him and we win. An avg or above avg game and it's over. Then James and his 5 points and that is all she wrote. I don't recall TC's Mich game but it was way down the list of problems.

Overall, I do agree that we cannot "miss"and not have a real good year from Ennis.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330960130

 

[dollarbill44]

A lot of you are too hard on players, only focusing on their bad games. Cooney had some good ones too. He was a big reason we beat Gtown in the BET.