Goodell needs to be fired after watching the Rice video

[Jeepers]

Just watched. Yikes. Never mind the punch, but just the way he treats her once she's knocked out. Like some garbage. Seen dogs treated better than that.

 

[Toga]

I don't think how hard he hit her was what 'baffled' me (meaning, we all saw the footage of her unconscious on the ground -- this is the real world, not the movies, it was pretty obvious without seeing the elevator footage that he had hit her full force). What's shocking is that it was framed to make his wife sound so much worse than she was. She might have tried to slap him with an open palm (or maybe she put her finger or hand in his face -- I didn't really want to watch the video twice to figure it out), which isn't right, but having her apologize in front of the national media like she was going at him with a baseball bat as a cause of this is terrible.

And you know ... drunk while he may have been - in the video he didn't get like OMG OMG look what I just did! No - instead he seems slightly annoyed her legs won't cooperate in clearing the elevator door. Jesus.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Cherie I belong to a trades union and the "at will" still applies to us and it happens all the time.

When a DRINKING BUDDY GETS LAID OFF the foreman will look to see who he can get rid of and hire his buddy and vice versa. It's a game that goes back and forth

I don't doubt what you say at all but don't they at least get an appeal and there's a procedure they have to go through (including an agreement on benefits after the fact)? That's what I was told at least - there's more hassle for a company with a unionized shop to fire someone. I assumed (bad on my part perhaps) but why would anyone join, pay dues if they have no more rights than an at will employee without a union?

 

[retro44]

I don't doubt what you say at all but don't they at least get an appeal and there's a procedure they have to go through (including an agreement on benefits after the fact)? That's what I was told at least - there's more hassle for a company with a unionized shop to fire someone. I assumed (bad on my part perhaps) but why would anyone join, pay dues if they have no more rights than an at will employee without a union?

Easy answer...we still make a lot more than the non-union and it's a career where as a lot of the non-union guys might be a carpenter on one job, a pipefitter on the next, to being a millwright down the road.

The non-union contractors a lot of times have no idea who they will hire next

 

[dasher]

im not kidding.. was just having the discussion with HR people, they cant imagine how you could get fired from most jobs for this. If you were union it would not be a question you wouldnt get touched. perhaps high profile stuff where you had some morals clause, but not any regular employee, let alone if no charges really got filed.

I would be out of my office in less than 20 minutes with every employer I have had in my career.

 

[cuseincincy]

Ray's daughter has such good role models as parents. One wonders if child protective services have been or will be involved.

I heard her apology on the radio again today. She specifically stated "I am confident that Ray and I will continue to be the role models for our children and the community that we have always been."
Not to harp on the victim but that is way beyond the reaction of an abused woman who is afraid of her now spouse. That is complete ignorance of your position and reality.

 

[dasher]

My conspiracy theory is that the NFL had not seen the tape and investigators wouldn't give it to them because the ravens and the investigators were in cahoots. Now that it's out, the ravens release him trying to put an end to the whole thing before they are exposed.

The only problem I have with that is that Peter King wrote months ago, after being told my a super source, that the NFL office had seen this video. And no one at the NFL office puched back and said no we didn't. The NFL has all kinds of heavy duty people in their security office. hard to believe that those guys didn't find a way to get that video. Chris Mortenson wrote almost word for word what was on the video months ago. He saw it and Roger didn't?

 

[PoppyHart]

and if this casino didn't go out of business I would be willing to make a wager that this video still doesn't exist

Yep, probably a disgruntled former employee leaked it.

I believe the NFL never saw this. As Cossack says, though, it's not like she fainted on her own.

 

[Toga]

The only problem I have with that is that Peter King wrote months ago, after being told my a super source, that the NFL office had seen this video. And no one at the NFL office puched back and said no we didn't. The NFL has all kinds of heavy duty people in their security office. hard to believe that those guys didn't find a way to get that video. Chris Mortenson wrote almost word for word what was on the video months ago. He saw it and Roger didn't?

If that comes out - he's done.

 

[Phenomenon]

Am I the only one that saw Ray spit on her as she walked by, which caused her to swat at him (Watch his head lunge forward in the video)?

Then once they get into the elevator he spits, or at least motions as if he spit, on her again, before slapping at her, which prompted her to come towards him and into the final left hook.

Granted, I can't hear if she said anything inflammatory, but it looks like Rice started it, instigated it, escalated it, and ended it. Having trouble finding fault with the woman in that video.

 

[Toga]

Am I the only one that saw Ray spit on her as she walked by, which caused her to swat at him (Watch his head lunge forward in the video)?

Then once they get into the elevator he spits, or at least motions as if he spit, on her again, before slapping at her, which prompted her to come towards him and into the final left hook.

Granted, I can't hear if she said anything inflammatory, but it looks like Rice started it, instigated it, escalated it, and ended it. Having trouble finding fault with the woman in that video.

Just looked again and think you're exactly right.

 

[Millhouse]

Am I the only one that saw Ray spit on her as she walked by, which caused her to swat at him (Watch his head lunge forward in the video)?

Then once they get into the elevator he spits, or at least motions as if he spit, on her again, before slapping at her, which prompted her to come towards him and into the final left hook.

Granted, I can't hear if she said anything inflammatory, but it looks like Rice started it, instigated it, escalated it, and ended it. Having trouble finding fault with the woman in that video.

was there a second spitter?

 

[dasher]

Am I the only one that saw Ray spit on her as she walked by, which caused her to swat at him (Watch his head lunge forward in the video)?

Then once they get into the elevator he spits, or at least motions as if he spit, on her again, before slapping at her, which prompted her to come towards him and into the final left hook.

Granted, I can't hear if she said anything inflammatory, but it looks like Rice started it, instigated it, escalated it, and ended it. Having trouble finding fault with the woman in that video.

I saw it as well.

 

[Toga]

was there a second spitter?

Too soon Mr. Keith Hernandez.

 

[rrlbees]

The only problem I have with that is that Peter King wrote months ago, after being told my a super source, that the NFL office had seen this video. And no one at the NFL office puched back and said no we didn't. The NFL has all kinds of heavy duty people in their security office. hard to believe that those guys didn't find a way to get that video. Chris Mortenson wrote almost word for word what was on the video months ago. He saw it and Roger didn't?

Only basing it on the released statement today by the NFL.

 

[dasher]

Only basing it on the released statement today by the NFL.

He might have seen it. Although he should have if he didn't. Others seem to have made the effort.

 

[UnknownOrange]

For the most part -- this is an employee of one of the most recognizable businesses in the country and he just caused one very large black eye for the business. Not surprised he is now terminated and suspended indefinitely. Our jobs are not under the same scrutiny.

 

[Jeepers]

Am I the only one that saw Ray spit on her as she walked by, which caused her to swat at him (Watch his head lunge forward in the video)?

Then once they get into the elevator he spits, or at least motions as if he spit, on her again, before slapping at her, which prompted her to come towards him and into the final left hook.

Granted, I can't hear if she said anything inflammatory, but it looks like Rice started it, instigated it, escalated it, and ended it. Having trouble finding fault with the woman in that video.

Thought the same and agree 100%. In the video, it looks like her hair moves, like it's being blown. "Back and to the left. Back and to the left."

 

[Toga]

Thought the same and agree 100%. In the video, it looks like her hair moves, like it's being blown. "Back and to the left. Back and to the left."

You're a bad man. A very very bad man.

 

[Briancuse]

I am going to take their word for it and believe that they didn't see this video, but if they they did, that is a disgrace, and Goodell needs to go.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

im not kidding.. was just having the discussion with HR people, they cant imagine how you could get fired from most jobs for this. If you were union it would not be a question you wouldnt get touched. perhaps high profile stuff where you had some morals clause, but not any regular employee, let alone if no charges really got filed.

I am an HR manager in NY (read as "at will"). I can assure you that any non-union employee, at anytime, not under contract can be let go immediately with no reason.

 

[007]

I heard her apology on the radio again today. She specifically stated "I am confident that Ray and I will continue to be the role models for our children and the community that we have always been."
Not to harp on the victim but that is way beyond the reaction of an abused woman who is afraid of her now spouse. That is complete ignorance of your position and reality.

Speculating on her motives is probably not the smartest thing I will do today...but maybe her apology for her role and her subsequent statements are an attempt to minimize the potential fall-out to the money maker that is Ray Rice??

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Easy answer...we still make a lot more than the non-union and it's a career where as a lot of the non-union guys might be a carpenter on one job, a pipefitter on the next, to being a millwright down the road.

The non-union contractors a lot of times have no idea who they will hire next

Yes but you are not fired from the trades union. Just the "job" you are on and I assume eligible for the next work available.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

For the most part -- this is an employee of one of the most recognizable businesses in the country and he just caused one very large black eye for the business. Not surprised he is now terminated and suspended indefinitely. Our jobs are not under the same scrutiny.

Well I disagree - How long are you working at SU if you slug a chick on Marshall street - ON CAMERA. Id say, 5 or 6 seconds and I'm being generous by 4 or 5 seconds.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Speculating on her motives is probably not the smartest thing I will do today...but maybe her apology for her role and her subsequent statements are an attempt to minimize the potential fall-out to the money maker that is Ray Rice??

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