Grasso taking a leave of absence from Bryant

[dollarbill44]

The fact of the matter is people are going to do it anyway.

This is sound reasoning.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Not surprising that some dudes on a message board think using whatever leverage necessary to get laid is cool as long as it's legal and "consensual". I hope none of your kids are ever targeted by an individual with similar beliefs. I'm glad I work in a department where none of my colleagues share some of the thoughts being expressed here, and if they did, would become pariahs.

 

[Cusefan95]

One of the women on my floor in college moved out of the dorm to live with her English professor. It’s a story as old as higher education. We all saw Animal House.
Heck, my senior year of HS, a classmate dated a gym teacher. That was 1979. They are still married.

I’m trying to imagine a gym teacher showing up in a tux as a date to senior prom, but it just feel ridiculous.

Similar situation in my high school a decade later, an 18 year old student & 22 year old fresh out of college teacher. Although in this case, they kept it quiet and I think no one found out until our ten year reunion.

 

[UpstateSM]

I'm so excited

 

[UpstateSM]

Half of my community college basketball team took Intro To S ex Psychology or something like that because we liked Ms Kelli

 

[HOFCeluck]

“We saw it in Animal House.”

Hahahahahahahaha Holy @@&$

 

[OrangeDW]

One of the women on my floor in college moved out of the dorm to live with her English professor. It’s a story as old as higher education. We all saw Animal House.
Heck, my senior year of HS, a classmate dated a gym teacher. That was 1979. They are still married.

I didn’t. Is that a documentary?

 

[BigNastyJon]

Half of my community college basketball team took Intro To S ex Psychology or something like that because we liked Ms Kelli

What happens in community college stays in community college

 

[PauliePeppas]

I'm so excited

Oh boy

 

[Orangezoo]

Oh boy

Wonder if Mel Tucker might look like a choir boy in comparison when it all comes out...

 

[UpstateSM]

Wonder if Mel Tucker might look like a choir boy in comparison when it all comes out...

Drugs and sleeping with students would be generationally crazy, right?

I just can't imagine what it would have to be for me to be surprised. He just seems like such a dirtball anything is on the table in my mind.

 

[gmoney44]

This is sound reasoning.

Legal consenting adults are going to hook up regardless of what rules or stigmas come with it. They always have, always will. It can’t be stopped.

 

[HOFCeluck]

It’s fine if you @@& a woman without her consent. Ever see Revenge of the Nerds bro

 

[gmoney44]

It’s fine if you @@& a woman without her consent. Ever see Revenge of the Nerds bro

Yes. All time classic movie. Betty Childs was a huge fan of Lewis after that though.

 

[donniesyracuse]

It’s fine if you @@& a woman without her consent. Ever see Revenge of the Nerds bro

Nonconsensual sex has always happened, always will. It can’t be stopped.

 

[Cusefan95]

Legal consenting adults are going to hook up regardless of what rules or stigmas come with it. They always have, always will. It can’t be stopped.

Agree…there’s more to this than “coach hooks up with student”. Even if the University has a very broad rule (no dating other university employees ever..), it’s a guarantee they’ve looked the other way in situations where the two people would realistically not have contact in the workplace. So he’d have an argument for selective enforcement - it’s part of why extremely broad rules like that are basically pointless.

There’s some other critical information which is the true cause for this leave of absence. I’m not sure why anybody would get worked up about what’s come out so far - UNLESS they are thinking along my line of reasoning and are confident there are details which have not come out yet which will reframe this in a much more unsavory light.

 

[UpstateSM]

 

[djcon57]

Legal consenting adults are going to hook up regardless of what rules or stigmas come with it. They always have, always will. It can’t be stopped.

Ok?

You can still fire a guy as that practice doesnt fit in current societal norms. He can go hook up with a student at the local community college going forward.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Ok?

You can still fire a guy as that practice doesnt fit in current societal norms. He can go hook up with a student at the local community college going forward.

Societal norms have nothing to do with it. What does the contract,employee handbook, etc. say.

 

[djcon57]

Societal norms have nothing to do with it. What does the contract,employee handbook, etc. say.

Do you honestly believe contracts for college basketball coaches don't include "dont bang the students"?

Edit: just spoke with my friend who's a top labor lawyer in CA, he said w/o question there's a morals clause in almost any university/college contract in which "banging students" would qualify

 

[Cusefan95]

Do you honestly believe contracts for college basketball coaches don't include "dont bang the students"?

Edit: just spoke with my friend who's a top labor lawyer in CA, he said w/o question there's a morals clause in almost any university/college contract in which "banging students" would qualify

My guess is his lawyer could find numerous cases where other employees with similar clauses dated a student with no repercussions. Which is why I don’t think those clauses mean a whole lot in the end - and if that’s all the university is going on this will not end well for them.

And I’m honestly not sure why you think a coach hooking up with a student is such a travesty. I’ve spent my career working in large industrial facilities employee thousands of people - often in towns of roughly 40,000 people. And we always had “office romances” where someone in accounting was dating someone in engineering, where they had no workplace contact. It was really easy to meet at a gym, go out to dinner, and discover you happened to both work at the largest employer (by far) in town. Didn’t stop people from proceeding (nor should it have).

So you’d need to spell out exactly why a coach chatting up a girl at the gym, going to dinner and continuing his pursuit when he finds out she’s a student he’d never have any workplace contact with is such a huge issue. It can’t be “power dynamic” because as noted he has no specific power in that situation. If it’s just general power, you might want to think through the consequences of that - can a single Senator date a female resident if his state, because he has greater general power than a head coach?

Unless there’s more details to this case that you’re aware of, this feels like you have some weird personal hang-up that you want to see vigorously enforced on the world.

 

[dasher]

My guess is his lawyer could find numerous cases where other employees with similar clauses dated a student with no repercussions. Which is why I don’t think those clauses mean a whole lot in the end - and if that’s all the university is going on this will not end well for them.

And I’m honestly not sure why you think a coach hooking up with a student is such a travesty. I’ve spent my career working in large industrial facilities employee thousands of people - often in towns of roughly 40,000 people. And we always had “office romances” where someone in accounting was dating someone in engineering, where they had no workplace contact. It was really easy to meet at a gym, go out to dinner, and discover you happened to both work at the largest employer (by far) in town. Didn’t stop people from proceeding (nor should it have).

So you’d need to spell out exactly why a coach chatting up a girl at the gym, going to dinner and continuing his pursuit when he finds out she’s a student he’d never have any workplace contact with is such a huge issue. It can’t be “power dynamic” because as noted he has no specific power in that situation. If it’s just general power, you might want to think through the consequences of that - can a single Senator date a female resident if his state, because he has greater general power than a head coach?

Unless there’s more details to this case that you’re aware of, this feels like you have some weird personal hang-up that you want to see vigorously enforced on the world.

I would be stunned if this was just a coach hooking up with a coed. Really stunned. I said up above that either drugs are involved, the age of the student is a problem or the refusing to take no for an answer is involved. Something along those lines.

 

[djcon57]

My guess is his lawyer could find numerous cases where other employees with similar clauses dated a student with no repercussions. Which is why I don’t think those clauses mean a whole lot in the end - and if that’s all the university is going on this will not end well for them.

And I’m honestly not sure why you think a coach hooking up with a student is such a travesty. I’ve spent my career working in large industrial facilities employee thousands of people - often in towns of roughly 40,000 people. And we always had “office romances” where someone in accounting was dating someone in engineering, where they had no workplace contact. It was really easy to meet at a gym, go out to dinner, and discover you happened to both work at the largest employer (by far) in town. Didn’t stop people from proceeding (nor should it have).

So you’d need to spell out exactly why a coach chatting up a girl at the gym, going to dinner and continuing his pursuit when he finds out she’s a student he’d never have any workplace contact with is such a huge issue. It can’t be “power dynamic” because as noted he has no specific power in that situation. If it’s just general power, you might want to think through the consequences of that - can a single Senator date a female resident if his state, because he has greater general power than a head coach?

Unless there’s more details to this case that you’re aware of, this feels like you have some weird personal hang-up that you want to see vigorously enforced on the world.

Cause of embarrassment for university. With cause. Easy.

And...Yes, it's definitely me that has the weird personal hang up here.

 

[Cusefan95]

Cause of embarrassment for university. With cause. Easy.

And...Yes, it's definitely me that has the weird personal hang up here.

You’d find cause for embarrassment if a single male coach had a consensual relationship with an adult female who happened to be a student?

I think you are on a very, very short list for that.

As Dasher is saying and I fully agree - there’s gotta be way more to this story. You might find enough cause in what’s been released so far, but I think your Amish sensibilities are the societal outlier here.

 

[djcon57]

You’d find cause for embarrassment if a single male coach had a consensual relationship with an adult female who happened to be a student?

I think you are on a very, very short list for that.

As Dasher is saying and I fully agree - there’s gotta be way more to this story. You might find enough cause in what’s been released so far, but I think your Amish sensibilities are the societal outlier here.

Grasso was married, chief.

And again, clearly it is me that has the hang up here.

Me: Stating fact I received via my friend, a labor lawyer. Never once suggesting my moral opinion
You: Name calling