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Great article Troy Nunes site.

Redrum said:
There is no such thing as a great article, or words from a commentator. Have you ever looked up the people who write these articles? Book smart I’m sure , goofy never played and even if they did nobody knows the answers except the players and the coach .
Lesson for the day here it comes .
Some dopey kid writer from the fizz who I was going to get buried until I saw his picture than I laughed at my own foolishness. He broke down 4 plays all wrong vs Pitt . Here’s the play
It’s a max protection wheel route to benson
Tommy gets the snap turns right slight slight shoulder fake , benson gives a slight glance and turns up and bang tommy is smacked and hurt on the play . The idiot commentator
Blames benson for not looking for the ball on a hot route ! The rush doesn’t matter to benson or tommy it’s max protect the play needs the fakes to work they are focused on execution, benson not looking to catch hot tommy throw it on the quick out portion so the commentator tries to blame benson the goofy writer blames tommy and unfortunately it was on the line ( I know don’t blame players in my position) but I have to make my point .
These people should not talk I see it every week every year. What it does is mis lead fans
Other players or players parents who don’t know the truth and there is a truth to ever play
Dino In his pressers tries to protect players but he hurts players in the process and I understand why because he knows committed players are watching and prospects are watching and other coaches may be watching . There are 3 types of fans
The nuts who know nothing
The nuts who played and know a lot
And the ones smart enough to know they don’t know and I only know be use I know that I know that I said I know . Nobody makes me bleed my own blood :p
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Ha, not sure it's a good look to quote White Goodman, but I'm taking it as tongue in cheek.

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illi3 said:
Ahh, the old “they never played so what can they know” argument. You must love the fact that there are women coaching (and doing well at it!) now.
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It's a valid argument. There are a lot of nuances, instincts and techniques that are learned from years of playing. You don't know them and can't teach them if having never played. I'll stand by that.
 
illi3 said:
Ahh, the old “they never played so what can they know” argument. You must love the fact that there are women coaching (and doing well at it!) now.
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All the females who have coached in the NFL have been a part of organized football at some point in their adult life, include playing.

Full-time position coaches:
Katie Sowers (SF): started playing football at the age of 8. played in the Women's Football Alliance until 2016. Then became an offensive assistant with San Francisco prior to becoming a coach.

Jen Welter (Arizona): started playing rugby in college, then played multiple professional/semi-professional teams. She even played one year for a mens professional football team.

Kathryn Smith (Buffalo): spent 13 years in some capacity in NFL or college (including assistant) prior to being named a coach.

Lori Locust (TB): She played semi-professional football and was an assistant coach in semi-pro, professional and Arena League settings, then various lower positions in the NFL before being named an assistant coach at TB.

The rest are full time employees in the NFL, including strength and conditioning coaches or assistants without being position coaches. All of them have extensive amounts of direct football experience which would qualify them as coaches.
 
In what world would you dial up a SHOT play and bail out on it for an inc pass because the offside chance the D has dialed up a post snap delayed backside corner blitz and expect the QB to read it that way?

Its no different than telling the QB we are blocking 6 on4 so bail on all the reads and throw the checkdown cause you wont have time.

any time you are blocking more than 5 it some kind of max protect it not always about blocking TE/RB

I do agree that we need to do a better job of sight adjusment given the issue the oline has. If its 3rd and 4 and they play 10 yd cushions we need to take those sometimes to move the chains. maybe do it on first downs more often and not beat are heads against the run even when we have the box numbers that say to run it. but still we had some decent runs last week and you dont know you cant run until you cant
 
GoSU96 said:
Suspect there is something to this, but still believe if the OL was better and they were able to get ahead of the sticks and string along some conversions Babers would crank it up more.
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I'm wondering if they are all dependent.

At least from the NFL guy quotes in this article- the spread and tempo are to negate the importance for linemen to pick up identifications and intricate blitz's. Practice time is allocated to moving lighting fast - instead of traditional fundamental blitz pick up.

It seems like last year, that was the initial problem. (Slowly improved) If tempo/spread is used as a tool for pass protection? (Or the lack thereof) If thats not functioning, then what? Everything falls apart?

I'm genuinely curious.


The NFL’s Offensive Line Crisis Has No Single Diagnosis

Why has the league’s on-field product seemed lackluster at times in 2017? Look no further than a problem with multiple causes, and no easy solution.
www.google.com
 
RandomGuy said:
I'm wondering if they are all dependent.

At least from the NFL guy quotes in this article- the spread and tempo are to negate the importance for linemen to pick up identifications and intricate blitz's. Practice time is allocated to moving lighting fast - instead of traditional fundamental blitz pick up.

It seems like last year, that was the initial problem. (Slowly improved) If tempo/spread is used as a tool for pass protection? (Or the lack thereof) If thats not functioning, then what? Everything falls apart?

I'm genuinely curious.


The NFL’s Offensive Line Crisis Has No Single Diagnosis

Why has the league’s on-field product seemed lackluster at times in 2017? Look no further than a problem with multiple causes, and no easy solution.
www.google.com
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I think there is a threshold level of competence/performance/execution that is required to run what they want. It isn't there obviously at the moment, and since it isn't the talent disparity is all the more apparent, results in getting squashed.

I'd love to see this team in a position to play complimentary football with this defense and even a minimal lead late.
 
Syracuse is not going to be successful in any offense this year. I assume Tulsa is also untalented. Tempo doesn't wear down a defense if you can't move the ball. Covid didn't help.

If syracuse and tulsa ran some old football guy offense and sucked , no one would be wondering if defenses have figured out those

The offense is just terrible. Can't block, can't run, can't get rid of the ball. Scheme is beside the point with these options
 
GoSU96 said:
I think there is a threshold level of competence/performance/execution that is required to run what they want. It isn't there obviously at the moment, and since it isn't the talent disparity is all the more apparent, results in getting squashed.

I'd love to see this team in a position to play complimentary football with this defense and even a minimal lead late.
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Last year, the same few blitzes destroyed us. It was like we had never seen such a thing. Took til the end of the year, and yes, we picked those up against UNC. Almost seemed like it was something that wasn't previously worked on.

In reading the spread/Tempo is to lessen the importance of those fundamentals? I'm left with wondering why the heck would an offensive lines fundamental base be tied to - say the success of the receiving unit? Or how tired you can make the other team? If one area struggles the whole thing falls apart?
 
Redrum said:
So In film when he OC tells him he is correct he actually isn’t because u think otherwise?
Lol . I’m learning I can’t even explain plays that I get right from the horses mouth without getting armchaired to death
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This makes me nervous about the OC. Long developing plays with THIS OL and Pierre as the 6 blockers?

Tommy and Luke should go rogue if they recognize the blitz. Luke is a fast guy, get it into his hands in the flat. Worst case it's a 5 yard gain. Better than the alternative.
 
Chip said:
This makes me nervous about the OC. Long developing plays with THIS OL and Pierre as the 6 blockers?

Tommy and Luke should go rogue if they recognize the blitz. Luke is a fast guy, get it into his hands in the flat. Worst case it's a 5 yard gain. Better than the alternative.
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I agree but dino In his presser said we have to take a chance in regards to less max protect
To not be so outnumbered. When the average person thinks he’s holding the ball he is looking at 7/8 in coverage vs 3 WRs and limited time to boot it’s a tough spot
Our RBs can have talent they just need some more experience blocking that’s where we miss jarveon
 
Redrum said:
They should flip sides
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I 100% agree with this … Wasn't Servais on the other side last year? We obviously are hurting with injuries and depth.. but I also believe the cross training that this staff believes in across the OL hurts us as well.. We do not get crème of the crop OL.. we need to be MORE FOCUSED on technique and DETAILS with Minimum cross training IMO. have they been required to do this some because of injuries? Yes i think so.. but its also been our Philosophy to train our OL to play multiple positions i believe.. and its absolutely HURT quality IMO
 
Redrum said:
I agree but dino In his presser said we have to take a chance in regards to less max protect
To not be so outnumbered. When the average person thinks he’s holding the ball he is looking at 7/8 in coverage vs 3 WRs and limited time to boot it’s a tough spot
Our RBs can have talent they just need some more experience blocking that’s where we miss jarveon
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If they are beating us at the line, 4 on 6, then there really isn't much we can do. The TE/WR outlets will be covered. 3 on 6, forget it.

Need Dakota back, need an RB to step up. Agree that blocking is an overlooked part of losing Adams/Howard. Better off letting the RB go in the flat, just throw it to him, and hope he can beat the first guy one on one. Having an ineffective RB in pass protection is just playing 10 on 11 football.
 
Redrum said:
I agree but dino In his presser said we have to take a chance in regards to less max protect
To not be so outnumbered. When the average person thinks he’s holding the ball he is looking at 7/8 in coverage vs 3 WRs and limited time to boot it’s a tough spot
Our RBs can have talent they just need some more experience blocking that’s where we miss jarveon
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I agree again... The very simple fact that our OL/RB position groups doink plays up in pass protect Vs only 4 or 5 rushing has definitely hurt us some here... the Holes are small when they drop 7 into coverage because they can get pressure with very little risk rushing 4... As i have claimed.. Its all of our O position groups combined that's causing our issues... they all can play better including Tommy from what i have seen on tape... But IMO He will/would be playing a ton better if the other crap got cleaned up first
 
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SuRaider307 said:
I agree again... The very simple fact that our OL/RB position groups doink plays up in pass protect Vs only 4 or 5 rushing has definitely hurt us some here... the Holes are small when they drop 7 into coverage because they can get pressure with very little risk rushing 4... As i have claimed.. Its all of our O position groups combined that's causing our issues... they all can play better including Tommy from what i have seen on tape... But IMO He will/would be playing a ton better if the other crap got cleaned up first
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Vs NC we had a 3rd and 20 we left the back into block (6) they rushed 3 ... leaving our 4
WRs vs 8 . You would think tommy would be patting the ball hoping to find something , no they got in and he ran for a dozen . That’s ok if we are playing field position but we were playing from behind . One positive we got the run game going a bit in the 2nd half let’s hope that is the spark that lights a fire
 
Chip said:
If they are beating us at the line, 4 on 6, then there really isn't much we can do. The TE/WR outlets will be covered. 3 on 6, forget it.

Need Dakota back, need an RB to step up. Agree that blocking is an overlooked part of losing Adams/Howard. Better off letting the RB go in the flat, just throw it to him, and hope he can beat the first guy one on one. Having an ineffective RB in pass protection is just playing 10 on 11 football.
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the RBs in pass protection have not helped things, but several times the RB had 2-3 guys to try and block anyway.. I would also think its something else that has suffered with Dept issues no Spring practice and limited contact in the fall..
Still they have to at least slow down the guy they are blocking, you cant half throw a shoulder at a guy, Is that what they are taught to do? No hands at all to help control the block?

I also expect the D has some of the same issues being so young and learning.. Last week we did vastly more things than week 1 and at Times had Pitt confused all over.. If we had kids a bit stronger I think we end up with 3-5 more sacks because they were in the right spots alot..

dont give GT easy TDs and slow the stud RB down.

Lets hit a home run throw and find a TE a couple times this week. And pick up the fumble and score with it when its 5 on 1 next time.
 
upperdeck said:
Lets hit a home run throw and find a TE a couple times this week. And pick up the fumble and score with it when its 5 on 1 next time.
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I'm actually optimistic that this is going to happen this weekend. Not to the tune of some 500 yard, 40 point outburst. But scoring between 24-30. And the defense holding them to less.
 
RandomGuy said:
I'm wondering if they are all dependent.

At least from the NFL guy quotes in this article- the spread and tempo are to negate the importance for linemen to pick up identifications and intricate blitz's. Practice time is allocated to moving lighting fast - instead of traditional fundamental blitz pick up.

It seems like last year, that was the initial problem. (Slowly improved) If tempo/spread is used as a tool for pass protection? (Or the lack thereof) If thats not functioning, then what? Everything falls apart?

I'm genuinely curious.


The NFL’s Offensive Line Crisis Has No Single Diagnosis

Why has the league’s on-field product seemed lackluster at times in 2017? Look no further than a problem with multiple causes, and no easy solution.
www.google.com
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I think by using more tempo you could help negate the inefficiencies we have on our OL. Sure defenses have adjusted to tempo, but if you are able to string a couple of successful plays together, which leads to 1st downs, the tempo can take some of the pass rush away from the DL. The thing is you have to be able to get consecutive positive plays. Maybe more quick hitters? Seems we used to do it a to More under Lewis, and it has nothing to do with talent level, it was almost completely different play calling. I know a lot of this is chicken or the egg, but it was successful in the past and what we have going on is not.
 
upperdeck said:
the RBs in pass protection have not helped things, but several times the RB had 2-3 guys to try and block anyway.. I would also think its something else that has suffered with Dept issues no Spring practice and limited contact in the fall..
Still they have to at least slow down the guy they are blocking, you cant half throw a shoulder at a guy, Is that what they are taught to do? No hands at all to help control the block?

I also expect the D has some of the same issues being so young and learning.. Last week we did vastly more things than week 1 and at Times had Pitt confused all over.. If we had kids a bit stronger I think we end up with 3-5 more sacks because they were in the right spots alot..

dont give GT easy TDs and slow the stud RB down.

Lets hit a home run throw and find a TE a couple times this week. And pick up the fumble and score with it when its 5 on 1 next time.
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That is one thing that has been very noticeable. Jawhar Jordan is a lot of things. A good blocking RB is not one of them. Kind of surprised he is in that often during pass plays. I know you can’t become obvious, but he has really struggled in this area. What he can be is an offensive weapon if used correctly. He hasn’t been used anywhere near he had been last year
 
CapitalO said:
Titled what's ailing Syracuse QB Tommy DeVito from 9/21/20 written by John Cassillo a ( MUST READ )
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This is a great Q&A with the GT coach From the Nunes Site, vis a vis the Four Seasons/Jersey Boys.

"Is there any specific Syracuse player that most concerns you heading into this matchup?"

"Tommy Devito definitely gives me the most concern, and not just because I’m assuming he has deep NY mob ties with that name. I don’t want any of Tech’s players “swimming with the fishes” if they get a hit or two on him.

For as long as I’ve been alive, the Tech defense has struggled to contain mobile QBs, and so I’m not looking forward to stressing about that all afternoon. Tech will need to get pressure and force him into some mistakes, while not letting him scramble, if we’re going to have any luck on Saturday. That all sounds much easier said than done."

LOL!
 
ottodaorange said:
This is a great Q&A with the GT coach From the Nunes Site, vis a vis the Four Seasons/Jersey Boys.

"Is there any specific Syracuse player that most concerns you heading into this matchup?"

"Tommy Devito definitely gives me the most concern, and not just because I’m assuming he has deep NY mob ties with that name. I don’t want any of Tech’s players “swimming with the fishes” if they get a hit or two on him.

For as long as I’ve been alive, the Tech defense has struggled to contain mobile QBs, and so I’m not looking forward to stressing about that all afternoon. Tech will need to get pressure and force him into some mistakes, while not letting him scramble, if we’re going to have any luck on Saturday. That all sounds much easier said than done."

LOL!
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Its the guy who runs Rumble Seat, not the coach.
 
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