Guess I don't understand the rush to join SEC etc.

[alphaorange]

I know everyone is talking about the effect of the rumored poachings but I simply don't get it. I know there is tons of money involved, but doesn't that money stay in the athletic departments? And if it does, what good is it going to do for you when you can't win enough games to get into a bowl game year after year after year? The top teams in the SEC will always be the top teams. Now, it would just mean that there would be more teams fighting to stay out of the basement, money notwithstanding.

A 14 team super league would play 168 games resulting in 83 losses and 83 wins. The top 4 teams probably get 40 wins. That leaves 43 wins to be distributed among the remaining 10 teams. I understand the OCC games change the dynamics slightly but, basically, that's what teams would be looking at in the SEC, for example.

I also think there may be significant risk for superior basketball schools to jump to a football conference. I could see a slight uptick in football with a much larger downswing in basketball fortunes over time.

To me, it takes a giant leap of faith to believe you will go to an existing conference and not end up a whipping boy for a long, long time, if not perennially. A team like FSU might pull it off but I have a feeling that most other teams would(will) be bending over the table for years and years.

 

[007]

The risk is, and always has been, that in 2014 when the current BCS bowl contracts expire and the proposed 4 team playoff comes into effect, any teams not in the potential Super 4, 16 team conferences will effectively be excluded from the National Championship.

With arguably the "best" 64 teams concentrated into 4 super conferences, the chances of any undefeated team from any other conference (including the ACC; the BE isn't even in the conversation) will be significantly diminished. Much more so than under the current BCS system.

IMO, the ACC, and it's membership must be one of the Super 4 through strategic expansion (ND plus ???). If they are not, then teams from the ACC will absolutely be targeted by the SEC and Big 12 to get to 16.

 

[OrangePA]

To me, as I have said, it simply makes no sense to foreclose teams from competing for the NC.

By doing that you reduce the meaning of the NC and reduce the number of people interested in the NC.

I didn't watch the NC game this year - I'm tired of watching the SEC - I have no interest.

If they condense the product, they will condense interest - stupid strategy in the long run.

 

[Stern]

I know everyone is talking about the effect of the rumored poachings but I simply don't get it. I know there is tons of money involved, but doesn't that money stay in the athletic departments? And if it does, what good is it going to do for you when you can't win enough games to get into a bowl game year after year after year? The top teams in the SEC will always be the top teams. Now, it would just mean that there would be more teams fighting to stay out of the basement, money notwithstanding.
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Make the pie bigger. Have fewer people getting a slice of the pie. Hence YOUR slice of the pie is bigger.

That's all it is. Make the pie bigger and try to exclude some people from getting their hands on it. Being in the SEC you will have a safe spot at the table each and every year. And as the pie grows you are assured of getting a big slice of pie every year.

I also think there may be significant risk for superior basketball schools to jump to a football conference. I could see a slight uptick in football with a much larger downswing in basketball fortunes over time.

Basketball doesn't generate anywhere close to the money football does. Basketball is a pimple on the fanny of this discussion! It really doesn't matter at all.

 

[gmoney44]

I didn't watch the NC game this year - I'm tired of watching the SEC - I have no interest.

You are one of the few. I love watching SEC football. Especially after watching SU and whoever they play make a mockery of football at the noon game.
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[OrangePA]

You are one of the few. I love watching SEC football. Especially after watching SU and whoever they play make a mockery of football at the noon game.
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Good.

Stay away.

Move to Alabama.

 

[bnoro]

To me, as I have said, it simply makes no sense to foreclose teams from competing for the NC.

By doing that you reduce the meaning of the NC and reduce the number of people interested in the NC.

I didn't watch the NC game this year - I'm tired of watching the SEC - I have no interest.

If they condense the product, they will condense interest - stupid strategy in the long run.

Sorry, OPA, but you're in a big minority here. As a person who watches 10 straight hours of football most saturdays, the SEC is such an enjoyable league to watch. This will only make more people more interested, IMO.

 

[gmoney44]

Good.

Stay away.

Move to Alabama.

Why, because I like watching well played football. You're a tool.

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[Townie72]

Make the pie bigger. Have fewer people getting a slice of the pie. Hence YOUR slice of the pie is bigger.

That's all it is. Make the pie bigger and try to exclude some people from getting their hands on it. Being in the SEC you will have a safe spot at the table each and every year. And as the pie grows you are assured of getting a big slice of pie every year.


Basketball doesn't generate anywhere close to the money football does. Basketball is a pimple on the fanny of this discussion! It really doesn't matter at all.

Basketball is hugely profitable.

For SU, ibasketball draws more people than football by a significant amount. It provides much more SU visibility. It sells more spirit gear than football by a significant amount. And basketball costs a tiny fraction of what the football team costs. Someone at SU told me, with their tongue only partially in their cheek, that you could run a basketball program for what the football teams budget for athletic tape is.

From a profit standpoint at SU, football may be the pimple.

 

[omniorange]

To me, as I have said, it simply makes no sense to foreclose teams from competing for the NC.

By doing that you reduce the meaning of the NC and reduce the number of people interested in the NC.

I didn't watch the NC game this year - I'm tired of watching the SEC - I have no interest.

If they condense the product, they will condense interest - stupid strategy in the long run.

But, in essence, that can also be achieved through a 4-conference set-up as well had the Big 12 imploded...

The Pac-16 champ represents the West Coast and Southwest
The Big Ten champ represents the North Central
The SEC champ represents the South
The ACC champ represents the East Coast

Or at least, that is how I believe those who support a 4 super conference configuration thought it would go.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[arbitragegls]

The ACC is not dead yet...and believe it or not neither is the BE (but going to die sooner than later. The ACC needs to hold its present teams and get ND...I would say at whatever cost. ND infact will not win a NC if it goes to conference champions as a big part of the selection--and the only two conferences ND would have a easier road to win are the BE and ACC. So I want the ACC to find a way to bring ND to the table and sign them. If ND comes, ACC survives past 2014-2015..otherwise it is probably over insofar as football. Bball is something else entirely but bball does not bring home the $$$$$$$$$$$.

 

[Faegan]

Sorry, OPA, but you're in a big minority here. As a person who watches 10 straight hours of football most saturdays, the SEC is such an enjoyable league to watch. This will only make more people more interested, IMO.

Trust me, when you're no longer a college student and have a family, you will not be watching that much college football.

 

[44PRIDE]

Trust me, when you're no longer a college student and have a family, you will not be watching that much college football.

Gawd...isn't that the sad truth. My world revolves around this.

 

[Stern]

Basketball is hugely profitable.

For SU, ibasketball draws more people than football by a significant amount..

RARE exception! Not the rule. Majority of Div IA colleges its Football that is the money maker. Only at a couple of MAJOR schools where its the other way around (SU, Duke, Ken)

 

[Stern]

Good.

Stay away.

Move to Alabama.

Classy post. You disagree with him and you tell him to stay away and move.

 

[bnoro]

Basketball is hugely profitable.

For SU, ibasketball draws more people than football by a significant amount. It provides much more SU visibility. It sells more spirit gear than football by a significant amount. And basketball costs a tiny fraction of what the football team costs. Someone at SU told me, with their tongue only partially in their cheek, that you could run a basketball program for what the football teams budget for athletic tape is.

From a profit standpoint at SU, football may be the pimple.

In terms of TV money, Basketball is nothing. I read that the new BE contract would be around 3 mil to non-football members and 10 mil to football members. That's a huge difference.

 

[bnoro]

Trust me, when you're no longer a college student and have a family, you will not be watching that much college football.

Might not be 10 straight hours but I'll be watching. Trying to start a family isn't on my radar anytime soon.

 

[Townie72]

In terms of TV money, Basketball is nothing. I read that the new BE contract would be around 3 mil to non-football members and 10 mil to football members. That's a huge difference.

85 FB schollies at $40K is $4.2 M, plus coaches, plus travel, plus facilities required. And I think you are lowballing the BB number and inflating the FB number.

Plus NCAA tourney credits. Net profit difference isn't that great for schools that have top BB programs.

 

[texascpa]

Trust me, when you're no longer a college student and have a family, you will not be watching that much college football.

I have 3 kids and watch a ton of college football. Priorities, man, priorities.

 

[Townie72]

The ACC is not dead yet...and believe it or not neither is the BE (but going to die sooner than later. The ACC needs to hold its present teams and get ND...I would say at whatever cost. ND infact will not win a NC if it goes to conference champions as a big part of the selection--and the only two conferences ND would have a easier road to win are the BE and ACC. So I want the ACC to find a way to bring ND to the table and sign them. If ND comes, ACC survives past 2014-2015..otherwise it is probably over insofar as football. Bball is something else entirely but bball does not bring home the $$$$$$$$$$$.

A strategy that depends on ND joining your conference isn't much of a strategy.

Is "winning the lottery" part of your financial plan?

Every single piece of logic and evidence we have strongly says the ND is an independent for a very long time and maybe forever.

 

[007]

A strategy that depends on ND joining your conference isn't much of a strategy.

Is "winning the lottery" part of your financial plan?

Every single piece of logic and evidence we have strongly says the ND is an independent for a very long time and maybe forever.

I'm not so sure that ND's hand will not be forced. But, the converse of that is, if there is a Super 4 and ND remains independent, than they will have to play, and most importantly, beat several of the top teams from the Super 4. That would be their ticket to 4 team national championship play off.

Why would ND give up all that money as an football independent? They wont. Unless scheduling the teams they "need' to play becomes impossible (Delaney might try to make that happen in the BiG), or some conference throws enough money at them. That probably wont be the ACC. They dont have the money to throw.

 

[Guinness]

A friend of mine has season tickets at Georgia and for the past few seasons I have gone with him a couple times a year down to the game. I can honestly say the version of football that is played down south (and in particular the SEC) is nothing like I ever experienced up north. From the way the town shuts down to the atmosphere at the game to the quality of the game on the field it is mind blowing to someone like myself who only experienced Big East football prior. Now I am sure there is a lot of that in the ACC but if the football schools leave there will be a lot less of it to go around as they back fill with northern teams.

 

[sufandu]

You are one of the few. I love watching SEC football. Especially after watching SU and whoever they play make a mockery of football at the noon game.
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I didn't watch it because I saw it earlier in the year. I said all along that a team that didn't win it's conference should not be eligible to win the NC in this type of format. People that have argued against a playoff have said that it would devalue the regular season. Last years BCS title game did just that and, therefore, held no interest for me.

 

[OrangePA]

Why, because I like watching well played football. You're a tool.

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Wow.

Clever.

You sound like youre from Alabama.

Mobile perhaps?

 

[sufandu]

I don't get exactly how the money from the SEC will override the difficulty of winning the conference. I understand wanting to be in a good conference, but being in a conference that's as difficult as the SEC is right now makes it so much harder to win the conference. No matter how good the conference is, if you don't win it every now and then you're just setting yourself up to get your coaches fired and falling back into obscurity. There are a number of teams in the SEC noone cares about.