Guess I don't understand the rush to join SEC etc.

[alphaorange]

I don't get exactly how the money from the SEC will override the difficulty of winning the conference. I understand wanting to be in a good conference, but being in a conference that's as difficult as the SEC is right now makes it so much harder to win the conference. No matter how good the conference is, if you don't win it every now and then you're just setting yourself up to get your coaches fired and falling back into obscurity. There are a number of teams in the SEC noone cares about.

And that is exactly my point, as well. So money overrides the chance to ever be anything but a bottom feeder?

 

[normaliswear]

And that is exactly my point, as well. So money overrides the chance to ever be anything but a bottom feeder?

I almost understand it from a school's perspective if they're running it as a business and the bottom line is what matters. But the fans of all these schools clamoring to go to the SEC... why? You're not getting any of the money and you'd just get to see your team's head caved in a lot more often.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Count me among those who don't understand the glory of going 3-6 in the SEC and winning three out-of-conference games against Florida Atlantic, Arkansas State and Elon. Getting "lots" of money to be perpetually mediocre is a recipe for disaster IMO.

Then again, I didn't watch more than 5 minutes of the second Alabama-LSU game so maybe I'm just not a "real" fan.

 

[gmoney44]

Wow.

Clever.

You sound like youre from Alabama.

Mobile perhaps?

Negative gost rider. I'm from CNY and I go to every SU home game and watch every away game. I love me some Orange but I've got to be honest, I enjoy watching the late afternoon and Saturday night SEC games. If that bothers you because you are one of the handful of guys that don't watch, tough luck.

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[OrangePA]

Negative gost rider. I'm from CNY and I go to every SU home game and watch every away game. I love me some Orange but I've got to be honest, I enjoy watching the late afternoon and Saturday night SEC games. If that bothers you because you are one of the handful of guys that don't watch, tough luck.

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Sorry, but I think you and the other poster don't get it.

My comment was that I don't watch SEC football - I have no interest in watching football factories play.

And I could not care less if you or anybody else on the board watches SEC football.

My response to the other poster was really prompted by his intensely negative comments about SU Football. My thought was that if he thinks Syracuse University provides such a horrible football product, he ought to leave and join his bodies in Alabama.

Got that?

 

[OrangePA]

I didn't watch it because I saw it earlier in the year. I said all along that a team that didn't win it's conference should not be eligible to win the NC in this type of format. People that have argued against a playoff have said that it would devalue the regular season. Last years BCS title game did just that and, therefore, held no interest for me.

I had no interest in the NC game last year.

It's become just a hyped game - an effort to create a college version of the Super Bowl.

Not interesting to me and not in keeping with the tradition that makes college football fun.

 

[Townie72]

I had no interest in the NC game last year.

It's become just a hyped game - an effort to create a college version of the Super Bowl.

Not interesting to me and not in keeping with the tradition that makes college football fun.

20,000,000 people didn't feel the same way as you did.

2.4 times the people watch SEC games as watch Big East games and the Big East audience size is boosted by all the weeknight games (including Fridays).

http://www.slideshare.net/ceobroadband/state-of-the-media-2011-year-in-sports-11339432

 

[SmilinBob]

Who's is debating if the BE has more viewers than the SEC because we know they do not? He just simply said he doesn't enjoy it, why would he have to say he does, because 20 million watch it?

 

[gmoney44]

The only thing I got is that you're under the delusion that It's still 1950 and these kids are still "students athletes". Weather they should be is irrelevant because they are not. Not at SU and not at Alabama.

I watch the SEC because I want to see big, strong, athletic, well coached teams, play in a great college environment. Something I have not been able to see in a long time up here.

You got it?

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[Townie72]

Who's is debating if the BE has more viewers than the SEC because we know they do not? He just simply said he doesn't enjoy it, why would he have to say he does, because 20 million watch it?

I just wanted him to know what a tiny minority he is part of.

And I wanted to underline --- yet again --- that there is little Eastern geographic loyalty to Big East teams. People in the East --- including people in Philadelphia nd NJ --- strongly prefer watching Big Ten and SEC football over the Big East.

SEC football is faster-paced, more exciting, and has better athletes. Big East football is slow moving and for the most part is played before only partially filled stadiums. The Big East has been forced to move to weeknights to gain the smaller audiences it has.

When I surf through the channels and see Ivy League games and Patriot League games and even D-111 games on, I wonder who is watching them. Now I know.

 

[Faegan]

I thought that the Alabama/LSU games last year were no where near as good as the hype. The first game was just okay, and the second was painful to watch.

I flip around at night after the kids go to bed and watch the closest games. Could be Big East, could be SEC. My impression is that most SEC games are blowouts and are only fun for the first quarter at best.

Hopefully we have time for the new ACC to get a foothold before teams runoff. I think we are one Florida State, Virginia Tech or Miami national championship away from putting the ACC is over crap to bed.

 

[All4SU]

To me, as I have said, it simply makes no sense to foreclose teams from competing for the NC.

By doing that you reduce the meaning of the NC and reduce the number of people interested in the NC.

I didn't watch the NC game this year - I'm tired of watching the SEC - I have no interest.

If they condense the product, they will condense interest - stupid strategy in the long run.

Yeah, the East Coast is not going to be "left out" of the process. Not going to happen. Too many people, too many TV sets, too many alumni, too much $$$. I don't care if people say "Well, Easterners will watch if it's Alabama and USC!" The reality is you have to include markets too.

 

[billsin01]

I know there is tons of money involved

No matter where it is, schools like money. They also gain plenty of exposure from simply playing on a big stage and being part of a power conference. Between those two things, there is lots o' money to be made.

 

[Townie72]

Yeah, the East Coast is not going to be "left out" of the process. Not going to happen. Too many people, too many TV sets, too many alumni, too much $$$. I don't care if people say "Well, Easterners will watch if it's Alabama and USC!" The reality is you have to include markets too.

For the life of me I can't understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp.

Some still insist on clinging to the idea that the Eastern fans prefer Eastern teams when its obvious they don't.

If that were true, the Big East wouldn't be on the edge of extinction.

If that were true, Big East football would have been a great financial success because all these eyeballs would have been watching it.

If that were true, the Big East wouldn't have been migrating it games to Friday nights because it couldn't compete for viewer on Saturday afternoon.

If that were true, UConn and Rutgers wouldn't have been left behind in the multiple conference expansions.

Northeastern viewers prefer what the rest of the country prefers ... big games from the top conferences.

The East Coast isn't being left out. It's being served by the networks and games that it prefers to watch starting with the SEC on CBS, Notre Dame on NBC and Big Ten games and PAC 12 game.

This is about markets, All4. There is only a very small one for Eastern football. That's what is going on.

There is no Regional Eastern preference.

 

[OrangePA]

For the life of me I can't understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp.

Some still insist on clinging to the idea that the Eastern fans prefer Eastern teams when its obvious they don't.

If that were true, the Big East wouldn't be on the edge of extinction.

If that were true, Big East football would have been a great financial success because all these eyeballs would have been watching it.

If that were true, the Big East wouldn't have been migrating it games to Friday nights because it couldn't compete for viewer on Saturday afternoon.

If that were true, UConn and Rutgers wouldn't have been left behind in the multiple conference expansions.

Northeastern viewers prefer what the rest of the country prefers ... big games from the top conferences.

The East Coast isn't being left out. It's being served by the networks and games that it prefers to watch starting with the SEC on CBS, Notre Dame on NBC and Big Ten games and PAC 12 game.

This is about markets, All4. There is only a very small one for Eastern football. That's what is going on.

There is no Regional Eastern preference.

So nobody watches UConn, Rutgers, USF, Louisville, Cincy, or any of the other BE teams or ACC teams?

Do you really believe that?

Recall that the BE turned down a decent ESPN contract.

And note that many good teams are now playing on Friday nights - it ain't just the MAC or the BE anymore.

 

[Townie72]

So nobody watches UConn, Rutgers, USF, Louisville, Cincy, or any of the other BE teams or ACC teams?

Do you really believe that?

Recall that the BE turned down a decent ESPN contract.

And note that many good teams are now playing on Friday nights - it ain't just the MAC or the BE anymore.

Some people watch these Big East teams play ... just not that many.

2.5 times as many people watched the SEC as watched Big East on Average. And Big East numbers are boosted by playing many more weeknight games because their viewership would be even smaller if they went head to head with the SEC, Big Ten and even the ACC on Saturday. Look at who plays on Friday night. DO other conferences play during the week? Sure, but the Big East plays much more often.

The key to this is that even in the Northeast, the SEC and Big Ten beat the Big East. Look at the data in the ppt in the link back up this thread.

Big East basketball is in 4th place behind the ACC, Big Ten and SEC.

I believe there is almost no preference for Big East football on the part of the average Northeastern college football viewer. So I don't think there is much of a market for it. And that market can easily be satisfied by the other conferences and is on Saturday afternoon.

 

[OrangePA]

Some people watch these Big East teams play ... just not that many.

2.5 times as many people watched the SEC as watched Big East on Average. And Big East numbers are boosted by playing many more weeknight games because their viewership would be even smaller if they went head to head with the SEC, Big Ten and even the ACC on Saturday. Look at who plays on Friday night. DO other conferences play during the week? Sure, but the Big East plays much more often.

The key to this is that even in the Northeast, the SEC and Big Ten beat the Big East. Look at the data in the ppt in the link back up this thread.

Big East basketball is in 4th place behind the ACC, Big Ten and SEC.

I believe there is almost no preference for Big East football on the part of the average Northeastern college football viewer. So I don't think there is much of a market for it. And that market can easily be satisfied by the other conferences and is on Saturday afternoon.

SEC football means less - it's less important - when there are fewer teams in pursuit of the NC.

If you keep reducing the field, all college football will suffer.

I know I'm not alone in my feelings about the SEC - I know a number of college football fans who are tired of that conference and who feel that its factory nature is not appealing.

I'm a huge college football fan - I have no interest in the SEC and I haven't had interest for a few years now.

I suspect that others have and/or will feel the way i do.

 

[KaiserUEO]

SEC football means less - it's less important - when there are fewer teams in pursuit of the NC.

If you keep reducing the field, all college football will suffer.

I know I'm not alone in my feelings about the SEC - I know a number of college football fans who are tired of that conference and who feel that its factory nature is not appealing.

I'm a huge college football fan - I have no interest in the SEC and I haven't had interest for a few years now.

I suspect that others have and/or will feel the way i do.

DOWN IN FRONT!! I CANT SEE!! and why are people clapping so loud?? i cant talk to my cousin eunice about her neighbors dog.

OPa, the college football world has passed you by.

but the good news is that your world still exists. its called the FCS Division. if that brand of ball is also too 'factory-esque' for you...take in a D2 or D3 game.

discussions like this, and this board for that matter...are for college football factory fans. we discuss how to keep Syracuse relevent in the football factory world.

a world that you just admitted is unappealing for you and this small and silent group of people. in all seriousness goodbye. hey, this brand of football is not for everyone, but again...you have options. football is King and you can enjoy it at your pace. all is cool, but goodbye from here.

finding SEC football unappealing is a flukkin joke. hate that they dominate, dont hate the reason. the reason being they play football at the highest level this side of the NFL. so do the b1g, the bevo and the pac.

now how can the ACC and Syracuse keep themselves relevent. for if not, we will all be joinging OPa at that Syracuse AT colgate game.

Oh Lord

 

[TexanMark]

We Cuse fans need to pick up our game...if we can get 45-49k actual fans consisently in the Dome, keep it rocking, we'll be relevant again. Playing FSU, Clemson, VTech, BC, UNC, etc..will help

BTW, TCU is killing it in their season tix totals...they will average 50k this year. I don't see that with Cuse but I think we'll spike up 5-7k in seasons for 2013.

 

[omniorange]

We Cuse fans need to pick up our game...if we can get 45-49k actual fans consisently in the Dome, keep it rocking, we'll be relevant again. Playing FSU, Clemson, VTech, BC, UNC, etc..will help

BTW, TCU is killing it in their season tix totals...they will average 50k this year. I don't see that with Cuse but I think we'll spike up 5-7k in seasons for 2013.

Isn't Amon Carter's capacity 44K?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Townie72]

SEC football means less - it's less important - when there are fewer teams in pursuit of the NC.

If you keep reducing the field, all college football will suffer.

I know I'm not alone in my feelings about the SEC - I know a number of college football fans who are tired of that conference and who feel that its factory nature is not appealing.

I'm a huge college football fan - I have no interest in the SEC and I haven't had interest for a few years now.

I suspect that others have and/or will feel the way i do.

I don't doubt that you and some friends are aghast at the virtual takeover of college football by a few SEC schools and a few others.

But your comments put me in mind of a quote attributed to a NYC upper west side socialite who said after the 1972 Presidential, "I can't understand how Nixon won. Everybody I know voted for McGovern".

20,000,000 people watched the LSU v. Alabama game last November. 20,000,000! So although you and your friends may turn up your noses, the huge majority loves the SEC.

It must be hard to have such refined sensibilities in a world populated by the unwashed masses.

I'm sympathetic, I am. I don't watch Network TV (ever) and I consider the NBA to be unwatchable ... a perversion of a great sport.

 

[OrangePA]

DOWN IN FRONT!! I CANT SEE!! and why are people clapping so loud?? i cant talk to my cousin eunice about her neighbors dog.

OPa, the college football world has passed you by.

but the good news is that your world still exists. its called the FCS Division. if that brand of ball is also too 'factory-esque' for you...take in a D2 or D3 game.

discussions like this, and this board for that matter...are for college football factory fans. we discuss how to keep Syracuse relevent in the football factory world.

a world that you just admitted is unappealing for you and this small and silent group of people. in all seriousness goodbye. hey, this brand of football is not for everyone, but again...you have options. football is King and you can enjoy it at your pace. all is cool, but goodbye from here.

finding SEC football unappealing is a flukkin joke. hate that they dominate, dont hate the reason. the reason being they play football at the highest level this side of the NFL. so do the b1g, the bevo and the pac.

now how can the ACC and Syracuse keep themselves relevent. for if not, we will all be joinging OPa at that Syracuse AT colgate game.

Oh Lord

If you think SU will become a football factory, you're clueless.

It will never happen - it can't happen - and it has never been what SU is.

In the best of all worlds, SU Football will be a consistent top 25 team with an occassional top 10 and maybe top 5 finish. It will never truly compete for a NC - at least with the BCS system in place. There is a big difference between SU FB and SU BB.

And that's where SU fans get it wrong I think.

That's why so many on this board feel such frustation with the program at times.

Too many have the misguided notion that we are Ohio State or Alabama or Penn State or Va Tech for that matter - or that we should be those kinds of schools. We are not structurally capable of being those kinds of schools and we never will be.

Our endowment is not even $1 billion for gosh sakes - Stanford has an endowment of $16 billion - Notre Dame has an endowment of $7 billion, USC has an edowment of $3.5 billion and Boston College has an endowment of $1.7 billion.

BC has twice what we do.

If you root for the kind of college football world that I think you're rooting for - a few mega schools that reside in the south - then it is you that is foreshadowing the demise of Syracuse University football - not me. The world is passing by and you clearly don't understand the ramifications of what may be happening.

I see exactly what is happening and what is "passing by" and I don't like it - not because I don't like big time college football - but because I think it will eventually relegate the program I have watched for 43 years.

I want the game to allow for competition by the many - including Syracuse University - not the few - four conferences.

The kind of consolidation that is apparently occuring is not in our best interests - and you don't get it

Sorry you don't.

 

[TexanMark]

Isn't Amon Carter's capacity 44K?

Cheers,
Neil

My understanding is they are plussing up to 50k after the Big12 announcement...

 

[OrangePA]

I don't doubt that you and some friends are aghast at the virtual takeover of college football by a few SEC schools and a few others.

But your comments put me in mind of a quote attributed to a NYC upper west side socialite who said after the 1972 Presidential, "I can't understand how Nixon won. Everybody I know voted for McGovern".

20,000,000 people watched the LSU v. Alabama game last November. 20,000,000! So although you and your friends may turn up your noses, the huge majority loves the SEC.

It must be hard to have such refined sensibilities in a world populated by the unwashed masses.

I'm sympathetic, I am. I don't watch Network TV (ever) and I consider the NBA to be unwatchable ... a perversion of a great sport.

I know the McGovern story.

Pauline Kael is the NYC woman who made the bewildered observation back then.

The problem is that my source of information is not limited in that way.

I interact with friends in LA, Chicago, Indianapolis, Philly, Scottsdale, and other places.

My friends are big time college football fans.

Many, not all feel much the same way I do.

Many watch the Big Ten - as do I since I went to IU.

And many watch the Pac 12.

Lets see how things shake out.

In the meantime, I do not watch network TV or the NBA - I have always loved BB, but I find the pro game unwatchable. So, I suspect that you and I see many things in a similar way.

 

[Townie72]

If you think SU will become a football factory, you're clueless.

It will never happen - it can't happen - and it has never been what SU is.

In the best of all worlds, SU Football will be a consistent top 25 team with an occassional top 10 and maybe top 5 finish. It will never truly compete for a NC - at least with the BCS system in place. There is a big difference between SU FB and SU BB.

And that's where SU fans get it wrong I think.

That's why so many on this board feel such frustation with the program at times.

Too many have the misguided notion that we are Ohio State or Alabama or Penn State or Va Tech for that matter - or that we should be those kinds of schools. We are not structurally capable of being those kinds of schools and we never will be.

Our endowment is not even $1 billion for gosh sakes - Stanford has an endowment of $16 billion - Notre Dame has an endowment of $7 billion, USC has an edowment of $3.5 billion and Boston College has an endowment of $1.7 billion.

BC has twice what we do.

If you root for the kind of college football world that I think you're rooting for - a few mega schools that reside in the south - then it is you that is foreshadowing the demise of Syracuse University football - not me. The world is passing by and you clearly don't understand the ramifications of what may be happening.

I see exactly what is happening and what is "passing by" and I don't like it - not because I don't like big time college football - but because I think it will eventually relegate the program I have watched for 43 years.

I want the game to allow for competition by the many - including Syracuse University - not the few - four conferences.

The kind of consolidation that is apparently occuring is not in our best interests - and you don't get it

Sorry you don't.

I actually agree with most of this. I long for the Major Eastern Indies. If you can some how get us back to 1966, I am signed up.

Just as Conference Championships devalue regular season games, so will a National Championship Tourney further devalue the regular season games. Our guy Boeheim just said the Big East Tourney isn't important. Only the NCAA tourney is important.

I also agree that SU in the long run can't keep up in football. It lacks the size and resources and the location and the fan base.

The drive to reduce the number of schools and to increase the value of a few games comes from Television and the media. That's what they want and they are the big winners in this. The networks and media would like college football to resemble the NFL.

The big losers are the second and third tier schools. Their games are being reduced in meaning.