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Has anyone mentioned now that Maryland is the perfect OOC football opponent now

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I respect Nole_Lou and his opinions even if I don't always agree with them. However, when we signed up to Maryland home/home next year and 2016 he kept telling us how we as a program should schedule teams that will be favored against and not programs like Maryland. Lots of this board disagreed and kept saying its freaking Maryland and not Ohio State or something. Now that we beat Maryland pretty comfortably last weekend I hope he and some other ACC fans realize that the middle of the ACC really isn't different from the Big East or the Big Ten for that matter. The only difference is that the ACC and B1G have 1 or 2 top 10 legitimate teams each year while the Big East was a bunch of decent schools. Syracuse should expect to beat Maryland 5 out of 10 times and that is something Nole_Lou and most national followers of college football wouldn't give us credit for.

Syracuse is not the GRob Syracuse anymore we are back to the end of the Coach P era Syracuse 2000 to 2003 era where we would beat teams we shouldn't beat, lose to teams we shouldn't lose to, and have some What how did we get killed this badly losses.
 
I respect Nole_Lou and his opinions even if I don't always agree with them. However, when we signed up to Maryland home/home next year and 2016 he kept telling us how we as a program should schedule teams that will be favored against and not programs like Maryland. Lots of this board disagreed and kept saying its freaking Maryland and not Ohio State or something. Now that we beat Maryland pretty comfortably last weekend I hope he and some other ACC fans realize that the middle of the ACC really isn't different from the Big East or the Big Ten for that matter. The only difference is that the ACC and B1G have 1 or 2 top 10 legitimate teams each year while the Big East was a bunch of decent schools. Syracuse should expect to beat Maryland 5 out of 10 times and that is something Nole_Lou and most national followers of college football wouldn't give us credit for.

Syracuse is not the GRob Syracuse anymore we are back to the end of the Coach P era Syracuse 2000 to 2003 era where we would beat teams we shouldn't beat, lose to teams we shouldn't lose to, and have some What how did we get killed this badly losses.

2014 and 2019.
 
I hope he and some other ACC fans realize that the middle of the ACC really isn't different from the Big East or the Big Ten for that matter. The only difference is that the ACC and B1G have 1 or 2 top 10 legitimate teams each year while the Big East was a bunch of decent schools.

Good post, and 100 percent right.
 
I'm the guy who always shoots down the "we should play these same 4 teams every year OOC!" posts but we should try to schedule Maryland a lot. Very beatable program in a place easily accessible for a large SU turnout. I think Tom suggested we should play them 6 times every 10 years and I'd be all for that.
 
We should play a somewhat interesting cupcake, interesting name somewhat close mid level, interesting name somewhate close mid level BCS , and higher level BCS each year.

Give me a mix of UConn/Nova/Temple/UMass, Army/Navy, Maryland/WVU, and Notre Dame/Penn State/? most years and I'll be happy.
 
Maryland IS the perfect OOC opponent for you guys...WHEN you don't already have a game on the schedule you can lose.

I never said you guys can't beat Maryland. Only that you can also lose to Maryland, and that hasn't changed. How are you going to guarantee they have a third of their players hurt again next year (although based on recent trends, maybe it is a safe bet). Or that you are the ones racked by injuries next year.

If you didn't already have ND on the schedule...have at it.

It's pretty simple. One BCS caliber team. It should be one you realistically can play with most years. Out of every four or five years, if you want to throw an Ohio State, Oregon, USC or LSU on there, fine. But it should not be a yearly auto-loss. Nobody should schedule a game where they will be likely 20+ underdogs EVER, unless there is some regional/historical significance.

When you draw Notre Dame, Notre Dame is this game.

Then 1 FCS, and two low level FBS schools. You guys have been better than most expected, and you're 5-4. If you were 7-2 this year like Duke, would everybody hear be whining about your schedule? Or would there be excitement about the program? Do you think Baylor or Duke or Minnesota fans are storming the Athletic offices right now because of their awful OOC schedule?

The only thing that I could be wrong about is whether you'll be an underdog to Maryland. We'll have to wait and see about that.

It has nothing to do with whether you CAN beat Maryland, or ND, or Penn State or Northwestern or Alabama.

The point is, it's important that every ACC teams goes into conference play either 4-0 or 3-1 every year, and 4-0 at least half the time. Obviously, there will still be times it doesn't happen, but that should generally mean the team is garbage and the coach is on the hot seat. But we should not be sending any half-way decent teams into conference play with 2 losses EVER, because that does nothing but hurt everyone else.

Let's say you play FSU close into the 4th quarter. If you were 7-2 right now, that's a hell of a lot better for the ACC than you being 5-4. Thankfully, it doesn't matter, but until Oregon lost it did matter.

If teams come in to conference play undefeated, they are basically "unknown", and therefore, when they beat a highly thought of team, they pick up the juice from it.

It's been shown again and again, and the SEC and Big 12 has mastered it. Hell, Maryland is the PERFECT example this year. They had ONE half-way credible OOC opponent, beat them, and found themselves in the top 25, which allowed FSU to make a substantial statement.

Here's the thing. Let's say that you are 60% likely to beat Maryland, and 50% likely to beat ND. And 75% likely to beat Central Michigan and 85% likely to beat Villanova (if you are scheduling FCS, wish you would schedule a bad one). That means your likely number of wins is 2.7. Most likely either 2 or 3 wins, with 3 a little more likely. That's not good enough and that's on a schedule where you're not an underdog in a single game. That number should be between three and four.

I totally get that you guys want to play Maryland. Everybody that hasn't been in the ACC with them seems to love the idea of playing Maryland. But you should play them when that is the only competitive game. So if you get the win, cruise into the conference undefeated, and see what happens.

People either see it or they don't. There's no logical grounds to oppose that philosophy on, only emotional ones.
 
Let's say you play FSU close into the 4th quarter. If you were 7-2 right now, that's a hell of a lot better for the ACC than you being 5-4. Thankfully, it doesn't matter, but until Oregon lost it did matter.

People either see it or they don't. There's no logical grounds to oppose that philosophy on, only emotional ones.

3 4 points to make

1) FSU having Idaho on their schedule mattered a hell of a lot more than what SU's record was prior to Oregon losing.

2) It's impossible to say if we would be anything other than 5-4 whether we opened with Nova vs Penn State or Northeastern vs Northwestern. Yes we would've started 2-0 but would we have been as well prepared when we saw lessor teams that are more comparable talent level to our own such as NC State, Maryland and Wake. Say we drop one of those instead and come in at 6-3 (2-3) vs 5-4 (3-2) what does that do for anyone? I'd rather finish 3rd in conference and lose another game vs 5th in conference with a better record.

3) All the cannon fodder teams are locked up by bigger schools that can pay them more to take the role. Also, as a Southern school, you have the advantage of more lower level teams that are relatively close by.

~4) We're not playing FSU close into the 4th quarter unless the stars align properly and/or something catastrophic happens to Jameis.
 
We should play a somewhat interesting cupcake, interesting name somewhat close mid level, interesting name somewhate close mid level BCS , and higher level BCS each year.

Give me a mix of UConn/Nova/Temple/UMass, Army/Navy, Maryland/WVU, and Notre Dame/Penn State/? most years and I'll be happy.
Agree with this list except Navy - they seem to thrive on the cut block.
 
Maryland IS the perfect OOC opponent for you guys...WHEN you don't already have a game on the schedule you can lose.

I never said you guys can't beat Maryland. Only that you can also lose to Maryland, and that hasn't changed. How are you going to guarantee they have a third of their players hurt again next year (although based on recent trends, maybe it is a safe bet). Or that you are the ones racked by injuries next year.

If you didn't already have ND on the schedule...have at it.

It's pretty simple. One BCS caliber team. It should be one you realistically can play with most years. Out of every four or five years, if you want to throw an Ohio State, Oregon, USC or LSU on there, fine. But it should not be a yearly auto-loss. Nobody should schedule a game where they will be likely 20+ underdogs EVER, unless there is some regional/historical significance.

When you draw Notre Dame, Notre Dame is this game.

Then 1 FCS, and two low level FBS schools. You guys have been better than most expected, and you're 5-4. If you were 7-2 this year like Duke, would everybody hear be whining about your schedule? Or would there be excitement about the program? Do you think Baylor or Duke or Minnesota fans are storming the Athletic offices right now because of their awful OOC schedule?

The only thing that I could be wrong about is whether you'll be an underdog to Maryland. We'll have to wait and see about that.

It has nothing to do with whether you CAN beat Maryland, or ND, or Penn State or Northwestern or Alabama.

The point is, it's important that every ACC teams goes into conference play either 4-0 or 3-1 every year, and 4-0 at least half the time. Obviously, there will still be times it doesn't happen, but that should generally mean the team is garbage and the coach is on the hot seat. But we should not be sending any half-way decent teams into conference play with 2 losses EVER, because that does nothing but hurt everyone else.

Let's say you play FSU close into the 4th quarter. If you were 7-2 right now, that's a hell of a lot better for the ACC than you being 5-4. Thankfully, it doesn't matter, but until Oregon lost it did matter.

If teams come in to conference play undefeated, they are basically "unknown", and therefore, when they beat a highly thought of team, they pick up the juice from it.

It's been shown again and again, and the SEC and Big 12 has mastered it. Hell, Maryland is the PERFECT example this year. They had ONE half-way credible OOC opponent, beat them, and found themselves in the top 25, which allowed FSU to make a substantial statement.

Here's the thing. Let's say that you are 60% likely to beat Maryland, and 50% likely to beat ND. And 75% likely to beat Central Michigan and 85% likely to beat Villanova (if you are scheduling FCS, wish you would schedule a bad one). That means your likely number of wins is 2.7. Most likely either 2 or 3 wins, with 3 a little more likely. That's not good enough and that's on a schedule where you're not an underdog in a single game. That number should be between three and four.

I totally get that you guys want to play Maryland. Everybody that hasn't been in the ACC with them seems to love the idea of playing Maryland. But you should play them when that is the only competitive game. So if you get the win, cruise into the conference undefeated, and see what happens.

People either see it or they don't. There's no logical grounds to oppose that philosophy on, only emotional ones.
I understand your argument and think its a fair and logical one I just disagree. I feel that college football is an entertainment and sadly outside the very top fanbases in the USA you can't get people to pay their hard earned money these days to watch glorified exhibitions. If I was running the AD of any decent BCS program that was only playing 8 conference games a season I would follow the plan of ImperialOrange which is 2 cupcakes, 1 decent name opponent, and 1 challenge game. Going 3-1 in non-conference is FINE for both the NC contenders in the conference AND for our program's chances at a bowl game. Syracuse at 5-4 allows FSU to have another opponent on its schedule that isn't completely pathetic and gives them a chance to rack up a good win and keep the ball rolling to the NC game. FSU is lucky Oregon lost but they wouldn't have beaten Oregon because your non-conference schedule is 1. I-AA, 2. Nevada, 3. Idaho 4. a down Florida Gators team. If you had your 2014 non-conference slate Oklahoma State-Dallas, Notre Dame, I-AA school, Florida then the computers and polls would have likely lead to FSU over Oregon.

Syracuse scheduling 1.5 difficult games out of 4 each year is fine. Notre Dame is a loss, but we should beat Maryland, Central Michigan, Villanova and be 3-1 in the non-conference. With a couple of more good recruiting class Syracuse will be a good decent ACC program that will help create that ACC middle class with Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, NC State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Duke, Georgia Tech to go with Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Miami as the leaders.
 
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Maryland IS the perfect OOC opponent for you guys...WHEN you don't already have a game on the schedule you can lose.

I never said you guys can't beat Maryland. Only that you can also lose to Maryland, and that hasn't changed. How are you going to guarantee they have a third of their players hurt again next year (although based on recent trends, maybe it is a safe bet). Or that you are the ones racked by injuries next year.

If you didn't already have ND on the schedule...have at it.

It's pretty simple. One BCS caliber team. It should be one you realistically can play with most years. Out of every four or five years, if you want to throw an Ohio State, Oregon, USC or LSU on there, fine. But it should not be a yearly auto-loss. Nobody should schedule a game where they will be likely 20+ underdogs EVER, unless there is some regional/historical significance.

When you draw Notre Dame, Notre Dame is this game.

Then 1 FCS, and two low level FBS schools. You guys have been better than most expected, and you're 5-4. If you were 7-2 this year like Duke, would everybody hear be whining about your schedule? Or would there be excitement about the program? Do you think Baylor or Duke or Minnesota fans are storming the Athletic offices right now because of their awful OOC schedule?

The only thing that I could be wrong about is whether you'll be an underdog to Maryland. We'll have to wait and see about that.

It has nothing to do with whether you CAN beat Maryland, or ND, or Penn State or Northwestern or Alabama.

The point is, it's important that every ACC teams goes into conference play either 4-0 or 3-1 every year, and 4-0 at least half the time. Obviously, there will still be times it doesn't happen, but that should generally mean the team is garbage and the coach is on the hot seat. But we should not be sending any half-way decent teams into conference play with 2 losses EVER, because that does nothing but hurt everyone else.

Let's say you play FSU close into the 4th quarter. If you were 7-2 right now, that's a hell of a lot better for the ACC than you being 5-4. Thankfully, it doesn't matter, but until Oregon lost it did matter.

If teams come in to conference play undefeated, they are basically "unknown", and therefore, when they beat a highly thought of team, they pick up the juice from it.

It's been shown again and again, and the SEC and Big 12 has mastered it. Hell, Maryland is the PERFECT example this year. They had ONE half-way credible OOC opponent, beat them, and found themselves in the top 25, which allowed FSU to make a substantial statement.

Here's the thing. Let's say that you are 60% likely to beat Maryland, and 50% likely to beat ND. And 75% likely to beat Central Michigan and 85% likely to beat Villanova (if you are scheduling FCS, wish you would schedule a bad one). That means your likely number of wins is 2.7. Most likely either 2 or 3 wins, with 3 a little more likely. That's not good enough and that's on a schedule where you're not an underdog in a single game. That number should be between three and four.

I totally get that you guys want to play Maryland. Everybody that hasn't been in the ACC with them seems to love the idea of playing Maryland. But you should play them when that is the only competitive game. So if you get the win, cruise into the conference undefeated, and see what happens.

People either see it or they don't. There's no logical grounds to oppose that philosophy on, only emotional ones.

I think SU is just going to always attempt to schedule 1 attractive BCS, 1 mid level BCS, 1 MAC level FBS, 1 FCS. If it sinks us, so be it, but that's how I see our scheduling philosophy going forward.

One thing this year is proving is that the ACC, in the middle, really isn't all that competitive to the point that we need such light OOC scheduling. This isn't what we hope to be one of our best SU teams, and yet we have a realistic shot at going 5-3 in the league. With 2 of those losses being to Top 10 teams, and other just being a really really really bad day in a road game.

If SU can finish 7-5, 5-3, I would think the ACC would be happy. I doubt they're expecting too much more than that from our football program. The real prize is hoops. Football just needs to be respectable. The ACC knows who its horses are, and 2 of those horses are now safely positioned at the top of college football (with Miami looking like they're on the path back).

We, the SU fans, especially those who were following the program in the 90s, would like to see something better than 7-5/5-3, but I just don't know that the ACC ever thought they were getting McNabb's SU. They thought they were getting Boeheim's SU. And they will.
 
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Syracuse scheduling 1.5 difficult games out of 4 each year is fine. Notre Dame is a loss, but we should beat Maryland, Central Michigan, Villanova and be 3-1 in the non-conference. With a couple of more good recruiting class Syracuse will be a good decent ACC program that will help create that ACC middle class with Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, NC State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Duke, Georgia Tech to go with Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Miami as the leaders.

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Maryland is a great game for us. We will be competitive with them and more often than not better. Moreover, we have a huge fan base in the area and that ain't nuttin.

It would be great to get other games in that area such as Navy but they are hard to get. I am pretty happy with our scheduling except for the order. If we are going to plan PSU or NW it would be nice to have couple of games under our belt.

All of our OCC games were winnable this year we just were not up to the task.
 
Maryland is a great game for us. We will be competitive with them and more often than not better. Moreover, we have a huge fan base in the area and that ain't nuttin.

It would be great to get other games in that area such as Navy but they are hard to get. I am pretty happy with our scheduling except for the order. If we are going to plan PSU or NW it would be nice to have couple of games under our belt.

All of our OCC games were winnable this year we just were not up to the task.


I'm not sure NW was winnable.
 
maryland had lots of injuries, but they still had a QB that most would say is much better than ours, they had WRs that are much better than ours, we played without our starting WR, maybe out 2nd best DT, our 2nd best play maker on offense and much of the game without our best safety and the whole game without our best DB.

we are really sitting one tackle by a PSU oline dude from 6-3 and just outside the top 25 right now.
 
the thing lou, is that the cny local fan base doesnt have a freakin clue as to what they want, or know what is best.

and often, it puts the school at a disadvantage as they try to placate them.

the locals want wins, but they also want to see big time programs...fair enough.

but, the real problem is...they want and expect Syracuse to beat Alabama at the Dome.

as well as maryland.

that is what they want. whether they admit it or not, the smart people here know that is what they are looking for.

anything less than that, is just cause to not show.

why would I go see akron??

why would I want to see a loss??

Boeheim routinely plays his best ooc games in neutral sites and brings the dregs to the Dome, but when the football team does it....holy schneikes we need a congressional intervention to find out why.
 
Maryland IS the perfect OOC opponent for you guys...WHEN you don't already have a game on the schedule you can lose.

I never said you guys can't beat Maryland. Only that you can also lose to Maryland, and that hasn't changed. How are you going to guarantee they have a third of their players hurt again next year (although based on recent trends, maybe it is a safe bet). Or that you are the ones racked by injuries next year.

If you didn't already have ND on the schedule...have at it.

It's pretty simple. One BCS caliber team. It should be one you realistically can play with most years. Out of every four or five years, if you want to throw an Ohio State, Oregon, USC or LSU on there, fine. But it should not be a yearly auto-loss. Nobody should schedule a game where they will be likely 20+ underdogs EVER, unless there is some regional/historical significance.

When you draw Notre Dame, Notre Dame is this game.

Then 1 FCS, and two low level FBS schools. You guys have been better than most expected, and you're 5-4. If you were 7-2 this year like Duke, would everybody hear be whining about your schedule? Or would there be excitement about the program? Do you think Baylor or Duke or Minnesota fans are storming the Athletic offices right now because of their awful OOC schedule?

The only thing that I could be wrong about is whether you'll be an underdog to Maryland. We'll have to wait and see about that.

It has nothing to do with whether you CAN beat Maryland, or ND, or Penn State or Northwestern or Alabama.

The point is, it's important that every ACC teams goes into conference play either 4-0 or 3-1 every year, and 4-0 at least half the time. Obviously, there will still be times it doesn't happen, but that should generally mean the team is garbage and the coach is on the hot seat. But we should not be sending any half-way decent teams into conference play with 2 losses EVER, because that does nothing but hurt everyone else.

Let's say you play FSU close into the 4th quarter. If you were 7-2 right now, that's a hell of a lot better for the ACC than you being 5-4. Thankfully, it doesn't matter, but until Oregon lost it did matter.

If teams come in to conference play undefeated, they are basically "unknown", and therefore, when they beat a highly thought of team, they pick up the juice from it.

It's been shown again and again, and the SEC and Big 12 has mastered it. Hell, Maryland is the PERFECT example this year. They had ONE half-way credible OOC opponent, beat them, and found themselves in the top 25, which allowed FSU to make a substantial statement.

Here's the thing. Let's say that you are 60% likely to beat Maryland, and 50% likely to beat ND. And 75% likely to beat Central Michigan and 85% likely to beat Villanova (if you are scheduling FCS, wish you would schedule a bad one). That means your likely number of wins is 2.7. Most likely either 2 or 3 wins, with 3 a little more likely. That's not good enough and that's on a schedule where you're not an underdog in a single game. That number should be between three and four.

I totally get that you guys want to play Maryland. Everybody that hasn't been in the ACC with them seems to love the idea of playing Maryland. But you should play them when that is the only competitive game. So if you get the win, cruise into the conference undefeated, and see what happens.

People either see it or they don't. There's no logical grounds to oppose that philosophy on, only emotional ones.

I think FSU should only play UAB, FIU, Troy and Louisiana Tech out of conference. That way you can be reasonably certain to go 4 - 0 to start the season.
 
Maybe it's just me, but win or lose, I'd rather see us play teams like PSU, NW, Missou, Washington, USC, etc than Norfolk St. Granted the Norfolk St.'s of the world are gimme wins, but they are boring games.
 
Maybe not but I sure would like another crack at them.
Why? Since that game they've hung another 35, oops 42, points on us.

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Maybe it's just me, but win or lose, I'd rather see us play teams like PSU, NW, Missou, Washington, USC, etc than Norfolk St. Granted the Norfolk St.'s of the world are gimme wins, but they are boring games.

There's the built in perception as well.

FSU beating Nevada 62-7 and Bethune-Cookman 54-6 = WOW! FSU is amazing!!!
SU beating Wagner 54-0 and Tulane 52-17 = WOW! Wagner and Tulane must be terrible!!!
 
I think FSU should only play UAB, FIU, Troy and Louisiana Tech out of conference. That way you can be reasonably certain to go 4 - 0 to start the season.

First of all, I never said 4 no hopers. One BCS opponent, and three wins. Like Alabama does, like Auburn does, like LSU does, like Ohio State does.

FSU is slightly different in that they are bound to UF every year. They have to reach occasionally just so they SOMETIMES play somebody of note OOC. If they didn't have the UF game, then I'm pretty sure they would follow the Bama philosophy. Same thing with UGA and UF, OCCASIONALLY they will play an OOC opponent of note besides their ACC rival, but generally that's only been the Clemson or Miami game, in other words a historical rival. But most years, it's cupcakes besides their ACC rival.

Next year is not the optimal schedule at all for FSU, it's great but it's not smart. However there were some extenuating circumstances as a result of WVU pulling their series and the ACC being so bad, so season ticket holders have been pretty much screwed for the past couple years. They needed to take ND. The last two years' OOC was too weak, next year's is too tough, but there were circumstances.
 
First of all, I never said 4 no hopers. One BCS opponent, and three wins. Like Alabama does, like Auburn does, like LSU does, like Ohio State does.

FSU is slightly different in that they are bound to UF every year. They have to reach occasionally just so they SOMETIMES play somebody of note OOC. If they didn't have the UF game, then I'm pretty sure they would follow the Bama philosophy. Same thing with UGA and UF, OCCASIONALLY they will play an OOC opponent of note besides their ACC rival, but generally that's only been the Clemson or Miami game, in other words a historical rival. But most years, it's cupcakes besides their ACC rival.

Next year is not the optimal schedule at all for FSU, it's great but it's not smart. However there were some extenuating circumstances as a result of WVU pulling their series and the ACC being so bad, so season ticket holders have been pretty much screwed for the past couple years. They needed to take ND. The last two years' OOC was too weak, next year's is too tough, but there were circumstances.

So your opponent "of note" should be Florida, and ours should be Maryland. Got it.
 

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