Hmmm TrueBlue

[JJReddawg]

I really don't understands what constitutes a good QBR? What does it define? Honest question.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6833215&src=desktop

 

[Millhouse]

I really don't understands what constitutes a good QBR? What does it define? Honest question.

it tries to factor in rushing. i'm all for that ( i try to be careful and say passer rating instead of qb rating but sometimes i slip) but it's too much of a black box for me. at least with a plain old qb rating, everyone can see the factors and judge whether they're right

 

[orangeinohio]

Licata's performed very well against OSU and well against Baylor.

I'm not gonna bash Hunt.

I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion where Hunt or Licata are criticized.

My whole point is about comparing Licata's performance versus Hunt and that, if you want to go beyond arbitrary judgements, I'd like to see data/statistics that shows the level of competition that Licata is facing this year vs the level of competition that Hunt is facing this year.
Without diving into the data, I'd bet that Hunt has faced (cumulatively) better defenses than Licata. I'm basing that on the fact that Syracuse is (cumulatively) facing higher-ranked teams (according to coach's polls) with players who had higher rankings either out of high school or in college or both.
I know Buffalo has played OSU and Baylor. They've also faced much weaker teams.

I understand Buffalo has a pretty decent team and that Licata is, from the little that I've seen, an underrated prospect and college QB.
I don't see how Licata is a better QB than Hunt.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion where Hunt or Licata are criticized.

My whole point is about comparing Licata's performance versus Hunt and that, if you want to go beyond arbitrary judgements, I'd like to see data/statistics that shows the level of competition that Licata is facing this year vs the level of competition that Hunt is facing this year.
Without diving into the data, I'd bet that Hunt has faced (cumulatively) better defenses than Licata. I'm basing that on the fact that Syracuse is (cumulatively) facing higher-ranked teams (according to coach's polls) with players who had higher rankings either out of high school or in college or both.
I know Buffalo has played OSU and Baylor. They've also faced much weaker teams.

I understand Buffalo has a pretty decent team and that Licata is, from the little that I've seen, an underrated prospect and college QB.
I don't see how Licata is a better QB than Hunt.

I agree - Look at it this way. Against the two teams that I think compare closely to average MAC schools - Tulane and Wagner. Hunt had the second best QBR in the country (99.8).

Also this theory that UB played tOSU well means they are somehow competitive at the power 5 level is absurd. First Game of year - UB's Superbowl vs. tOSU thinking they would playing second stringers all second half. As it is the score was 40-20.

 

[bnoro]

Joe Licata better than Hunt? Not a chance.

I don't understand people on this board sometimes, but then again people wanted us to hire the head coach of Maine after we played them in a throwaway game.

 

[anomander]

I would take Hunt every day over Licata...I can't believe I even had to say that

 

[tep624]

Marrone didn't offer Licata. He didn't think he was good enough to play here. But he thought Loeb and kinder were. Obviously he's not a good judge of talent at the QB position. Licata is also better than Hunt.

Loeb was recruited after Marrone took over with about a month to recruit players, comparing that to being able to evaluate a kid over a 2 year recruiting cycle is being unfair at best.

Kinder - that's another story.

 

[bnoro]

Loeb was recruited after Marrone took over with about a month to recruit players, comparing that to being able to evaluate a kid over a 2 year recruiting cycle is being unfair at best.

Kinder - that's another story.

Still better at recruiting QB's than Mack Brown...

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I've been waiting for the "Should have gone after Licata" hand-wringers.

Before last night, he's thrown for: 169, 285, 167. 125, and 224 against MAC opponents. (Those numbers are most recent to former) Not exactly setting the world on fire here, but he did only throw 1 pick in those five games.

Buffalo leans heavily on a running back (at least 28 carries a game) and does not put the ball in Licata's hands if they don't have to.

 

[Trueblue25]

I've been waiting for the "Should have gone after Licata" hand-wringers.

Before last night, he's thrown for: 169, 285, 167. 125, and 224 against MAC opponents. (Those numbers are most recent to former) Not exactly setting the world on fire here, but he did only throw 1 pick in those five games.

Buffalo leans heavily on a running back (at least 28 carries a game) and does not put the ball in Licata's hands if they don't have to.

Licata serves his purpose very well at UB...and honestly it'd be the same situation at SU in an ideal world.

UB has a dominant running back (Brandon Oliver) so Oliver gets between 20 and 45 snaps every game. Licata serves his purpose in that, if Oliver can't move the ball, Licata has proven effective at moving downfield to Nuetz or Lee.

A strong rushing attack opens up a passing game and same the other way around.

UB is an example of a team who goes with there guns (rushing) and it allows other aspects of there game to open up.

This is why Jerome Smith needs more carries.

 

[Trueblue25]

I'm going to look into the level of competition both Hunt and Licata have face defensively.

I'm not siding with either QB, I'm purely just curious.

 

[Trueblue25]

Terrell Hunt:
DNP vs. PSU
DNP vs NW's starting defense
Wagner was an FCS opponent.

Tulane - #37 Total defense - #26 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

Clemson - #31 total defense - #16 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

NC St - #50 total defense - #42 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

G Tech - #13 total defense - #64 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

Wake Forest - #30 Total defense - #49 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

Maryland - #43 total defense - #48 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

All in all, not very surprise, SU has faced a series of fairly strong defenses.

Joe Licata:

tOSU - #10 Total Defense - #56 Team Passing Efficiency Defense. (Really)

Baylor - #9 Total Defense - #3 Team Passing Efficiency Defense. (The Big 12 plays defense? The fook.)

Stony Brook - FCS Team

- #67 Total Defense - #95 Team Passing Efficiency Defense. (sub-mediocrity)

EMU - #118 Total Defense bingo bongo - #122 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

WMU - #89 Total Defense - #65 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

UMASS - #104 bullseye - #105 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

Kent St. - #102 yahtzee - #93 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

Ohio U - #60 Total Defense - #85 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.

Toledo - #77 (Last night killlled them) Total Defense - #87 Team Passing Efficiency Defense.


Terrell Hunt has faced an averaged out Passing Defense Efficiency ranking of: 41 of 123
Joe Licata: 79 of 123

Interpret this and explore QBR etc. as you will

 

[buffalorange]

Marrone didn't offer Licata. He didn't think he was good enough to play here. But he thought Loeb and kinder were. Obviously he's not a good judge of talent at the QB position. Licata is also better than Hunt.

Actually, I believe Licata did have an offer from SU. I can't find the Buffalo News article, but SU wanted an immediate commitment and Joe was not ready and/or willing to do that, so SU withdrew its offer. I think UB is a better fit for Licata. He is a pocket passer rather than a "dual threat." Not sure how he would have worked out in SU's offense. During recruiting ESPN had Licata ranked in the top 80 QB's nationwide.

Found the article: Buffalo News Dec. 4, 2010: from the article

"It might just be a few miles away, but Licata will be making a big step next year when he joins UB. There was a visit to Notre Dame during his junior year that followed an impressive performance at a Notre Dame camp. Several Division I schools were interested, including Syracuse before it pulled its scholarship offer when Licata wouldn't commit early. As father Gil says, "We went all over the country to find UB."

 

[IHeartSUFball]

UB sucks

 

[Trueblue25]

UB sucks

Fo sho