Honestly, the more I thought about it

[TheCusian]

I thought gmc was choice #2, curious who #1 would have been

Cubit. OC at Illinois.

I don't think this last game is on McDonald at all. In fact - there are too many obituaries on this staff around here. Reminds me of 2012 right before we turned the season around.

But the lack of belief from anybody is probably helpful to the team right now. They'll rally. Shafer and co have too much character.

Go ahead and destroy my post now...

 

[Alsacs]

I want to have faith in Shafer and McDonald but honestly since last season outside of 3 games Wagner, Tulane, Boston College last season and 1 game this season Central Michigan this season our offensive point production have been sub-par.
Penn State, Northwestern, Clemson, NC State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Maryland, Florida State, Pittsburgh, Villanova, Maryland, Notre Dame, Louisville games our offensive scoring has been bad. I don't see our passing game improving this year and Shafer's PC on Friday oozed Greg Robinson era that can't be emphasized enough. I know Shafer isn't going anywhere but the reason I am saying anything is that I don't see it getting better thru next year, but if people do see it getting better please let me know why as I really would love to be wrong and know why they think it will get better.

 

[Chip]

So many guys make the mistake of putting the band back togethet

Not only that, sometimes guys don't realize the OC they brought in is a dud. See Spence, Rob. The good head coach is the one who realizes it and does something about it. Well, something productive about it.

 

[RF2044]

We are paying Shafer about the same Marrone was being paid the year he left. If Marrone had stayed he was getting a pay bump.

Which, relatively speaking, was still a hire on the cheap.

 

[CuseOnly]

We get what we put in and what we pay for. Bush league financial commitment, hire on the cheap, hc and assistants, struggle to get adequate facilities, struggle to create buzz, when we do create any the program quickly lays a turd and let's the air out, has happened for years. Attendance continues to get worse and we are down to just the die hards. The run at the end of 2012 was about as good as it gets but even earlier in that year people thought Hackett and Marrone needed to be canned.

It has to start with the university and a much larger showing of commitment and a major fund raisng effort done by professionals. Money is the only answer. I will be watching, I like shafer a lot but what we are seeing now isn't worth the cost of donations and preferred A. It's a joke for the consumer.

Absolutely right on the money with this post. Couldn't have said it better myself. I buy the cheap seats and even I am getting fed up watching the losing and ineptitude. It is really painful to watch.

I am not advocating getting rid of Shafer cause I really like him as coach and love what he stands for. But, watch the Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Brian Kelly coaching styles. They are all the biggest As$Holes on the planet and care about 1 thing, winning and getting a better contract. We need that attitude and the play that it brings.

So disappointed right now. Not sure at this point if I am going to even go to watch the FSU game.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I do question if you give Shafer more money for his staff, if he uses it for new coaches, or if he gives raises to who he has now.

 

[Chris02M]

what we really need is an actual special teams coach. The OC is and will continue to get better with more experience and his south florida recruiting connections make him a guy im keeping at least thur next year. Bullough may need replacing 1st but we need better corners before giving an opinion. Db coach would probably be the most likely coach let go if changes are made

 

[rrlbees]

Which, relatively speaking, was still a hire on the cheap.

We offered Edsall and Holtz a lot more. But I think Marrone chose to take less to have more for assistants. You also need the budget to pay big time. And many of these high paid coaches are getting a good chunk of their salary paid by booster clubs.

 

[GoSU96]

A real OC? Cool guy is the one Shafer wanted.

He wanted his recruiting, the OC job was the cost of getting him.

 

[CuseOnly]

I do question if you give Shafer more money for his staff, if he uses it for new coaches, or if he gives raises to who he has now.

I don't think they would open up the piggy bank for this current staff unless they prove that they can win consistently. I do think that if this coaching staff can't get it done and is jettisoned.

Then the piggy bank gets opened up.

Problem with that is that still no big name "splash" type coaches will come here because of the administrations lack of support and commitment to the program. I know that if I were a big name coach adn were going to come here, I would have a laundry list of requirements before I signed a contract. Like...actual dollar commitments to adding facilities. New dorms for players, new Dome locker rooms, etc.

That among other things are inherent road blocks to the "name" coaches.

 

[OttoForLife]

As disappointed as I am with what's happening, look at how Hackett was crucified before "developing" Nassib and turing into a fan favorite coach.

I think you need to give GMac more time, but there has to be conditions with that. HCSS needs to (privately - not saying this needs to be aired in public) make changes to help put his guys in better situations to learn/grow - and sometimes that means implementing tough love. Maybe that means taking some responsibilities off George's plate for a bit or hiring a offensive mentor to help him.

Bottom line: What I am hoping for the most is a plan forward and signs that we're making progress to get better and compete with everyone in the conference. Seeing the same mistakes week-after-week just shows me we're pigheaded...and that's when I'd advocate for a major change.

 

[CuseOnly]

Why can't you just hire him as recruiting coordinator like Eric White?

 

[RF2044]

We offered Edsall and Holtz a lot more. But I think Marrone chose to take less to have more for assistants. You also need the budget to pay big time. And many of these high paid coaches are getting a good chunk of their salary paid by booster clubs.

Edsall and Holtz were 4 years earlier, not when Marrone left.

Agree with your third sentence.

 

[RF2044]

Why can't you just hire him as recruiting coordinator like Eric White?

Its funny how losing a few games makes the zany come out.

This is a guy who's coached at several impressive programs in major conferences, as well as the NFL. Regardless of your opinion of his capabilities, you think he'd take a demotion from OC down to being an entry level recruiting coordinator???

 

[anomander]

We get what we put in and what we pay for. Bush league financial commitment, hire on the cheap, hc and assistants, struggle to get adequate facilities, struggle to create buzz, when we do create any the program quickly lays a turd and let's the air out, has happened for years. Attendance continues to get worse and we are down to just the die hards. The run at the end of 2012 was about as good as it gets but even earlier in that year people thought Hackett and Marrone needed to be canned.

It has to start with the university and a much larger showing of commitment and a major fund raisng effort done by professionals. Money is the only answer. I will be watching, I like shafer a lot but what we are seeing now isn't worth the cost of donations and preferred A. It's a joke for the consumer.

Good post. I was thinking the same thing last night after Michigan was brought up and their University's commitment to football was questioned. I laughed and thought to myself if they are questioning Michigan's commitment what the hell would they say about our commitment. It's basically non-existent until 2 years ago.

 

[Chip]

We get what we put in and what we pay for. Bush league financial commitment, hire on the cheap, hc and assistants, struggle to get adequate facilities, struggle to create buzz, when we do create any the program quickly lays a turd and let's the air out, has happened for years. Attendance continues to get worse and we are down to just the die hards. The run at the end of 2012 was about as good as it gets but even earlier in that year people thought Hackett and Marrone needed to be canned.

It has to start with the university and a much larger showing of commitment and a major fund raisng effort done by professionals. Money is the only answer. I will be watching, I like shafer a lot but what we are seeing now isn't worth the cost of donations and preferred A. It's a joke for the consumer.

My biggest worry is that the University launches a professionally executed, highly committed fundraising campaign and it comes WAY short of their goals and needs.

I just don't think we have enough of the donating types. I think there are probably too many who think the ACC $ and those high prices they charge at the Dome for tickets, beer and parking should provide more than enough money.

Which means we're still going with the up and comer route for staff positions. Just need to make sure we get it right, and maximize what we have here (someone should be able to sell a high flying offense to kids in this Dome, but they also need to get the right people to develop the talent).

 

[SmilinBob]

SU has been lucky as hell when it comes to Boeheim and taking less money so I'm not sure this school will ever up the ante for anything salary wise.

 

[rrlbees]

Edsall and Holtz were 4 years earlier, not when Marrone left. Agree with your third sentence.

I know and 2m earlier was more. We've been willing to pay 2 six years ago so I'd think we would again and more.

 

[rrlbees]

He wanted his recruiting, the OC job was the cost of getting him.

Same diff. He's a guy he wanted. In sure he was getting good coin at Arkansas. So to get him here was gonna take more money and more responsibility.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Same diff. He's a guy he wanted. In sure he was getting good coin at Arkansas. So to get him here was gonna take more money and more responsibility.

Spence was the guy Marrone wanted out of the box too. Make the correction and move on. Spence was probably a worse hire really.

 

[CuseOnly]

Its funny how losing a few games makes the zany come out.

This is a guy who's coached at several impressive programs in major conferences, as well as the NFL. Regardless of your opinion of his capabilities, you think he'd take a demotion from OC down to being an entry level recruiting coordinator???

He clearly cannot handle being an OC and we don't have time for learning on the job with the cost of learning being losses, why is that crazy Zany? Tell him he is being demoted to WR coach and recruiting coordinator, if you don't like it there's the door. Or do it internally so nobody hears of it and he can maintain his rep and salary.

Crazy Zany would be the head coach leaving him in a position he is not successful and possibly costing the HC is job. Cause we all know that if the HC goes, so does his whole crew most of the time.

What is your solution?

 

[Chris02M]

He clearly cannot handle being an OC and we don't have time for learning on the job with the cost of learning being losses, why is that crazy Zany? Tell him he is being demoted to WR coach and recruiting coordinator, if you don't like it there's the door. Or do it internally so nobody hears of it and he can maintain his rep and salary.

Crazy Zany would be the head coach leaving him in a position he is not successful and possibly costing the HC is job. Cause we all know that if the HC goes, so does his whole crew most of the time.

What is your solution?

stay the course and see how the offense does when not facing top defenses and get 2 of our playmakers back

 

[CuseOnly]

stay the course and see how the offense does when not facing top defenses and get 2 of our playmakers back

I was not saying to get rid of the guy as in fired, but changes need to be made whether they are made public or not I don't care. But staying the course and doing what got us to 2-3 IMO should not even be an option. When Shafer said they are going to work their asses off, he needs to work his ass off and find out what each coach is actually capable of doing and put them there.

If you want to give the play calling to Lester and say Cool Kid is still doing it, fine I don't care. Changes need to be made simply based on performance of their jobs.

 

[Chris02M]

I was not saying to get rid of the guy as in fired, but changes need to be made whether they are made public or not I don't care. But staying the course and doing what got us to 2-3 IMO should not even be an option. When Shafer said they are going to work their asses off, he needs to work his ass off and find out what each coach is actually capable of doing and put them there.

If you want to give the play calling to Lester and say Cool Kid is still doing it, fine I don't care. Changes need to be made simply based on performance of their jobs.

oc was fine on friday

 

[Chip]

Spence was the guy Marrone wanted out of the box too. Make the correction and move on. Spence was probably a worse hire really.

Spence was much worse, at least McDonald recruits.