Honeymoon Over

[All4SU]

Just because The Honeymoon is over, doesn't mean you split up or stop having fun.

 

[cuse309]

You weren't which is why I couldn't help it and threw myself into the melee.

Yeah...what you said.

 

[cuse309]

I can't be the only one finding it funny that you posted this for me and not me to you.

Can we bring SaintTristan back?

Since you are insisting that you get my point, and since you insist on proving you actually don't, I'll break it down.
I compiled a list...follow along now...a list of Coaches who successfully took over programs that were as bad as Syracuse for as long as Syracuse, and posted their win loss records through 4 years to show that the coaches who were successful in the situations similar to Syracuse, usually don't start winning 6+ until years 3 and sometimes years 4.

You "counter for debate" was that I "conveniently left out the coaches who were not successful"...Well no sh_t Sherlock!! Why would I include coaches who were not successful, on a list of coaches who were successful.
Then you say that you aren't willing to wear blinders, or just have blind faith. You also say that there are reasons to worry, and there are reasons to be hopeful. All I did was list a reason to be hopeful, and explain that 2 4-8 records are not a reason to worry, because the coaches who were successful at turning around a program as bad as Syracuse, for as long as Syracuse, never started winning 6+ in year 1 or 2.

Prove me wrong. The burden of proof is on you. Using the qualifiers I outlined, find me a coach who took over for a major program as bad as Syracuse, for as long as Syracuse, and won 6+ in year 1 or year 2 of the rebuild. There have been a couple I've found, like Leach, but even he went backwards in year 3.
The point, again, is that the vast vast vast majority, of coaches in the criteria I outlined, took 3-5 years to begin winning 6+. The point, again is that if there is a reason to worry...it sure as hell ain't the back to back 4-8 records.

 

[cuse309]

No you did. Your argument holds no merit. It's like saying 1/2 the time that you see gray clouds you might get rain. You cherry picked your stats with absolutely no control group. What you would really need to do is a comparison of about 100 different things, ppg from year to year, ypg year to year, etc, etc, etc. You're basically saying people need to give Dino slack because other coaches who have turned around programs needed 3 years. The counter-point here that you are missing is that there are alot of coaches who fail at turning something around after 2 years as well, probably alot more than what's on your list. So I see no problem with questioning why we can't win games in November, why we finish the year ranked in the bottom of all of FBS in defensive stats, why our ppg is below the national average even after 2 years in the system. Things like that.

Nobody is calling for Dino to be fired. Not one person. Questions are legitimately arising though and they need real answers.

My argument hold so much merit that I'm overdosing on merit.
If you want to compile all those stats knock yourself out. I chose to find coaches who took over similar circumstances as Syracuse, and were successful, and how long it took. That's it. Nothing more nothing less. Find me coaches who took over for a major program that were as bad as Syracuse, for as long as Syracuse, and consistently began winning 6+ games in year 1 or 2. You won't find them. That's my point. People are pointing at the 4-8 record in year 2 as a reason to worry, and all I'm saying, is that's par for the course in this situation. I dind't cherry pick stats. I found coaches who were successful in a similar situation, and simply pointed out how many seasons it took to start seeing a return on the investment. This isn't a "blind faith in Dino post", this is a "back to back 4-8 seasons at this point of Dino's head coaching regime, is not a reason for worry" post.

 

[cuse309]

I can't be the only one finding it funny that you posted this for me and not me to you.

Can we bring SaintTristan back?

Not sure how I could miss the point, when I was the one posting the point...

 

[tipphill]

The program is on life support attendance wise, and winning will be the only cure.

agree. although i will enjoy playing colgate, holy cross, cornell etc.

 

[TheCusian]

agree. although i will enjoy playing colgate, holy cross, cornell etc.

Saddest Post of the Week Nominee ™

 

[Jasoncuse]

Team needs more offensive speed and defensive talent. We need guys that can bust a 70 yard TD when it's not wide open.

But if we can't stop anyone, the offense doesn't matter a whole lot. Can't be giving up 50 or so a game and expect to win much.