House Settlement Approved

[atlanticuse]

I was told that:
Football gets $14 million
Men’s basketball $4 million
Women’s basketball $2 million
Everyone else $500,000
With football going to 105 scholarships, they will use $2.5 million from their $14 million for their extra scholarships

All other monies will have to come from collectives. This is why Fran wants an extra $6-8 million. Men’s basketball is going to need at least another $3-4 million to compete. My understanding is that anything above $600 from a collective has to meet certain criteria and go through a clearinghouse type approval.

and this is Paul Finebaum's point.

 

[AngryOtto]

I'm going to ignore #1 because we're real close to being relegated to mid-major status.

On #2, there's only so much cash. It's all going to go to football (in the case of Alabama and the $EC).
Or, basically, become the NCAA Basketball Tournament... but for everything. Like day 1, it's elimination time.

On #3, this just opens up everyone and everywhere to sue everyone else.
The... don't_call_it_the_new_NCAA just hired a laywer - a LAWYER - to be its new enforcer president.

I would not say we are close to being regulated to mid major status. Since Fran got here it finally seems the university is spending real money on football.

 

[Brooky03]

I'm going to ignore #1 because we're real close to being relegated to mid-major status.

On #2, there's only so much cash. It's all going to go to football (in the case of Alabama and the $EC).
Or, basically, become the NCAA Basketball Tournament... but for everything. Like day 1, it's elimination time.

On #3, this just opens up everyone and everywhere to sue everyone else.
The... don't_call_it_the_new_NCAA just hired a laywer - a LAWYER - to be its new enforcer president.

My issue with #2 is the implication that schools are going to be struggling to get the $20.5M together to pay out. Practically every school in the Power 4 is already there. That money is on deck. The other schools that aren’t there aren’t going to get there by cutting maybe a couple million through gutting the sports beyond the number they’re required to have. There are Title IX scholarship implications, too. Unless I’ve missed this, filling the expanded scholarship slots for the men’s revenue sports means more scholarships for women’s sports.

 

[Brooky03]

and this is Paul Finebaum's point.

Which point does this address?

 

[CU44SE]

I guess I’m not seeing the doom and gloom. Teams will have the same 20.5 million to pay the entire sports program. Divide it up as they so please. And the NIL will be policed better (allegedly) meaning a kid can’t go to Alabama or Texas and sign a 4 million dollar NIL deal unless his market is actually that value, but then any team could sign him to that same NIL deal. Texas is supposedly paying their team 30-45 million this year. How is anyone supposed to keep up with that?

No, it’s not exactly a salary cap. But if it’s policed as they say it is, there will be more parity than ever. It will equal the playing field.

Doesn’t mean the Watsons of the world still won’t jump ship to go play with the big boys in the SEC. But Syracuse would be able to pay the exact same money as Texas. Maybe even more. Because Texas has to pay the entire team and Watson may be one of Syracuses highest paid player. Is the 15th best player going to stay at a Texas when they could be the top paid player at a Syracuse or a Georgia tech, etc? Some might, but others won’t.

 

[atlanticuse]

Which point does this address?

Yes

 

[atlanticuse]

I would not say we are close to being regulated to mid major status. Since Fran got here it finally seems the university is spending real money on football.

So we should expect SU in the football championship bracket?

 

[Newhouser]

So each school needs to raise 20.5 million each year and trust their competitors won't cheat?

 

[atlanticuse]

So each school needs to raise 20.5 million each year and trust their competitors won't cheat?

if only there were an emoji for "BUUUWWWWAAAAAhahahahahahahahahahahaha..."

 

[Owens guy]

My issue with #2 is the implication that schools are going to be struggling to get the $20.5M together to pay out. Practically every school in the Power 4 is already there. That money is on deck. The other schools that aren’t there aren’t going to get there by cutting maybe a couple million through gutting the sports beyond the number they’re required to have. There are Title IX scholarship implications, too. Unless I’ve missed this, filling the expanded scholarship slots for the men’s revenue sports means more scholarships for women’s sports.

The 2024 Title IX modifications have already been eliminated and Title IX has gone back to the 2020 rules.

Unfortunately I don't think it would shock anyone if Title IX is gone after and eliminated (or drastically changed) in the next few years.

 

[SU94]

I'm going to ignore #1 because we're real close to being relegated to mid-major status.

On #2, there's only so much cash. It's all going to go to football (in the case of Alabama and the $EC).
Or, basically, become the NCAA Basketball Tournament... but for everything. Like day 1, it's elimination time.

On #3, this just opens up everyone and everywhere to sue everyone else.
The... don't_call_it_the_new_NCAA just hired a laywer - a LAWYER - to be its new enforcer president.

This will erode/damper the NCAA Tournament over the course of time. The vast majority of good players at the G5 level and below will leave for the P2/4 after their breakout season. And the spread of talent will sink/suffer with the gravitational pull of the top 30-50 programs. And the Tournament will be top heavy and way, way more predictable. High school recruiting is going to be secondary.

Things are going to be mighty different in the next decade+. Curious how this all lands for SU.
One thing I can say, people down south see a P2 (SEC+B10) ten years from now.
Sad.

Government intervention is needed, badly.

 

[atlanticuse]

Government intervention is needed, badly.

Wait - I thought this WAS government intervention?

 

[CU44SE]

This will erode/damper the NCAA Tournament over the course of time. The vast majority of good players at the G5 level and below will leave for the P2/4 after their breakout season. And the spread of talent will sink/suffer with the gravitational pull of the top 30-50 programs. And the Tournament will be top heavy and way, way more predictable. High school recruiting is going to be secondary.

Things are going to be mighty different in the next decade+. Curious how this all lands for SU.
One thing I can say, people down south see a P2 (SEC+B10) ten years from now.
Sad.

Government intervention is needed, badly.

Where have you been? This started happening 5 years ago.

 

[General20]

So each school needs to raise 20.5 million each year and trust their competitors won't cheat?

At the end of the day none of these rules are going to fix anything because the NCAA has very little power to enforce the rules.

Even this NIL clearinghouse, if I understand it correctly, approves deals but does zero follow up over time to make sure parties stick to the deal.

 

[007]

At the end of the day none of these rules are going to fix anything because the NCAA has very little power to enforce the rules.

Even this NIL clearinghouse, if I understand it correctly, approves deals but does zero follow up over time to make sure parties stick to the deal.

My understanding is the House settlement will not be enforced by the NCAA. The "Settlement Enforcement Committee," composed of reps from the P5, replaces the NCAA as the primary compliance body. This includes Deloitte's evaluation of third-party NIL deals and a binding arbitration process when disputes arise around FMV. Again, completely independent of the NCAA. The Committee will also be responsible for oversight of revenue sharing, and "periodic reporting and compliance certifications." To your point General, I have no idea what, if any, penalties there will be for noncompliance. Maybe I've missed that part.

Whether this conference-driven compliance and enforcement model will be any more effective than the NCAA remains to be seen. But the P5 school's will have no one to blame if it does fail.

 

[Toga]

My issue with #2 is the implication that schools are going to be struggling to get the $20.5M together to pay out. Practically every school in the Power 4 is already there. That money is on deck. The other schools that aren’t there aren’t going to get there by cutting maybe a couple million through gutting the sports beyond the number they’re required to have. There are Title IX scholarship implications, too. Unless I’ve missed this, filling the expanded scholarship slots for the men’s revenue sports means more scholarships for women’s sports.

Who actually enforces Title IX? The feds?

 

[OCESIP]

Once it's determined how much the individual teams are getting, the real issue becomes who determines and what measurement criteria is used to decided how much of the pie each player deserves. I can't imagine how those discussions are going to go and how it plays out when it comes to locker room unity and team togetherness.

 

[0.2 YNdeeR]

Who actually enforces Title IX? The feds?

OCR (office of civil rights) at the US DOE (what's left of it).

 

[ar inj]

OCR (office of civil rights) at the US DOE (what's left of it).

So nobody?

 

[0.2 YNdeeR]

So nobody?

 

[FloridaCuse]

My understanding is the House settlement will not be enforced by the NCAA. The "Settlement Enforcement Committee," composed of reps from the P5, replaces the NCAA as the primary compliance body. This includes Deloitte's evaluation of third-party NIL deals and a binding arbitration process when disputes arise around FMV. Again, completely independent of the NCAA. The Committee will also be responsible for oversight of revenue sharing, and "periodic reporting and compliance certifications." To your point General, I have no idea what, if any, penalties there will be for noncompliance. Maybe I've missed that part.

Whether this conference-driven compliance and enforcement model will be any more effective than the NCAA remains to be seen. But the P5 school's will have no one to blame if it does fail.

Maybe any penalty provisions will be part of the agreement each participating P4 school is being asked to sign to abide by the Settlement rules.

 

[Archbold44]

Maybe any penalty provisions will be part of the agreement each participating P4 school is being asked to sign to abide by the Settlement rules.

As long as there is competition between the SEC and B1G, this will help police things a bit. We need Ohio State reporting on Alabama, and Texas reporting on Oregon. No more winking at someone else breaking the rules in the hopes that they will wink back. We'll see.

 

[RedtheGOB]

At the end of the day none of these rules are going to fix anything because the NCAA has very little power to enforce the rules.

Even this NIL clearinghouse, if I understand it correctly, approves deals but does zero follow up over time to make sure parties stick to the deal.

I believe I saw the clearing house would be maintained or certified or audited by Deloitte or something like that. All that means is that they will say a year or two later who’s breaking the rules but yea like you said. The SEC teams may just say who cares.

 

[Brooky03]

Who actually enforces Title IX? The feds?

DOGE probs

 

[FloridaCuse]