Houston/TTech game are these refs for real??

[RyanCuse44]

Please explain how this is a flagrant 2?

These refs should be suspended for this.

 

[CuseFan]

he was ejected for passing the ball? wth is wrong with the refs?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Please explain how this is a flagrant 2?

These refs should be suspended for this.

Extremely rare but nothing will happen to the refs. I thought it was crazy when Roger Ayers called a flagrant 1 on Judah for elbowing RJ Davis while driving to the hoop.

In my book, they need to change it that it can't be called on an offensive player while making a basketball play.

No way Toppin should have been thrown out.

Judah Mintz given flagrant 1 after elbowing R.J. Davis in the face - ESPN Video

Syracuse's Judah Mintz elbows R.J. Davis in the face and is assessed a flagrant foul 1 in the final seconds of the game.

www.espn.com.au

 

[Ghost]

Does he have a history of kicking people in the balls or something?

 

[Idiocuse22&]

Dude did do a really good job to make it look like he accidentally kicked him in the balls.
I watched it 25 times and he definitely kicked him in the balls on purpose.
However, I wouldn't have called it ànd told him that he got away with one.
Watch it in slow motion...his right leg appeared to be the only thing that wasn't in sloMo.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Dude did do a really good job to make it look like he accidentally kicked him in the balls.
I watched it 25 times and he definitely kicked him in the balls on purpose.
However, I wouldn't have called it ànd told him that he got away with one.
Watch it in slow motion...his right leg appeared to be the only thing that wasn't in sloMo.

Nah. Legs move independently. Appears to be completely inadvertent.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Dude did do a really good job to make it look like he accidentally kicked him in the balls.
I watched it 25 times and he definitely kicked him in the balls on purpose.
However, I wouldn't have called it ànd told him that he got away with one.
Watch it in slow motion...his right leg appeared to be the only thing that wasn't in sloMo.

You can’t evaluate that in slo mo.

 

[orange79]

Dude did do a really good job to make it look like he accidentally kicked him in the balls.
I watched it 25 times and he definitely kicked him in the balls on purpose.
However, I wouldn't have called it ànd told him that he got away with one.
Watch it in slow motion...his right leg appeared to be the only thing that wasn't in sloMo.

Yeah, no.

 

[upperdeck]

Honestly if this happened in a pick up game, most people would realized what they did and went my bad. Did he even do anything?

 

[orange79]

Honestly if this happened in a pick up game, most people would realized what they did and went my bad. Did he even do anything?

What does it matter?

 

[upperdeck]

What does it matter?

because one makes it look like an accident, and one does not.

Even though the rule doesnt really care in some cases if it was accidental or not.

 

[PeteCalvin]

The irony is that a kick to the balls would be such a Kelvin Sampson thing to do. I will always loathe Houston as long as that p**ck is coaching.

 

[PeteCalvin]

because one makes it look like an accident, and one does not.

Even though the rule doesnt really care in some cases if it was accidental or not.

A flop would be a Kelvin Sampson move too.

 

[AZOrange]

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve seen

 

[orange79]

because one makes it look like an accident, and one does not.

Even though the rule doesnt really care in some cases if it was accidental or not.

Oh please...

What he does after matters not one bit to the stupidity by the referees.

 

[hoopsupstate]

The elbow to the face in the Notre Dame was far worse than yesterday’s kick in the groin. That elbow was intentional.

 

[jncuse]

Draymond Green happened to do something similar about 10 times in his career. In his case it wasn't always an accident.

No I'm not claiming this kid did it on purpose. But claiming this type of stuff can't be intentional either would be naive.

But I don't think you should eject either as you can't make that judgment here.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

You can’t evaluate that in slo mo.

Why not? Isn't that what the referees do when they review?
Like I said I wouldn't have called flagrant because I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for such a serious consequence, ejection.
If you meant the leg motion...why would his leg move faster than his arm that threw the ball?

 

[Idiocuse22&]

Yeah, no.

Ok "definitely" may be extreme but Id say more likely than not and I believe thats what the referees concluded.
"Definitely" was a mistake to say and anyone that says it was "clearly" unintentional is also mistaken.
I also would have given the player the benefit of the doubt and not called the flagrant.
Ive been kicked in the nuts much harder than that and didnt have 10% of the reaction.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

Nah. Legs move independently. Appears to be completely inadvertent.

Possibly I guess
He shouldn't have gotten ejected regardless.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Dude did do a really good job to make it look like he accidentally kicked him in the balls.
I watched it 25 times and he definitely kicked him in the balls on purpose.
However, I wouldn't have called it ànd told him that he got away with one.
Watch it in slow motion...his right leg appeared to be the only thing that wasn't in sloMo.

No idea how you can come to that conclusion.

Toppin jumps straight up to pass, but has to twist to the left because he’s left handed. The Houston defender gets so close to him that he makes body contact and he is literally under where Toppin took off from. I know at least in the NBA, if a defender comes into the landing space of the player who is jumping, it’s a foul on the defender. You have to give the jumper a place to land (may only apply when shooting, but should apply to situations like this pass). It’s a dangerous situation that causes injuries. I can’t recall if college has an equivalent rule.

Anyway, this clearly causes Toppin to slightly fade backwards and his leg kicks up to counter balance the fact his body was twisting in the opposite direction. Also, watch any type of fade way jump shot and it’s a completely normal motion for the legs to kick out when fading away at all. It’s basic physics.

This call has to rank up there as one of the worst I’ve seen. The rule example of a flagrant 2 has to be called if a hit to the groin is “not clearly accidental” is terrible wording.

 

[JustPherU]

Honestly if this happened in a pick up game, most people would realized what they did and went my bad. Did he even do anything?

If that happened in a pickup game on the courts I played on you might be getting out of the hospital next week sometime. Dude knew exactly what he was doing and I’m dying on that hill.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

No idea how you can come to that conclusion.

Toppin jumps straight up to pass, but has to twist to the left because he’s left handed. The Houston defender gets so close to him that he makes body contact and he is literally under where Toppin took off from. I know at least in the NBA, if a defender comes into the landing space of the player who is jumping, it’s a foul on the defender. You have to give the jumper a place to land (may only apply when shooting, but should apply to situations like this pass). It’s a dangerous situation that causes injuries. I can’t recall if college has an equivalent rule.

Anyway, this clearly causes Toppin to slightly fade backwards and his leg kicks up to counter balance the fact his body was twisting in the opposite direction. Also, watch any type of fade way jump shot and it’s a completely normal motion for the legs to kick out when fading away at all. It’s basic physics.

This call has to rank up there as one of the worst I’ve seen. The rule example of a flagrant 2 has to be called if a hit to the groin is “not clearly accidental” is terrible wording.

No idea how you can come to that conclusion.

Toppin jumps straight up to pass, but has to twist to the left because he’s left handed. The Houston defender gets so close to him that he makes body contact and he is literally under where Toppin took off from. I know at least in the NBA, if a defender comes into the landing space of the player who is jumping, it’s a foul on the defender. You have to give the jumper a place to land (may only apply when shooting, but should apply to situations like this pass). It’s a dangerous situation that causes injuries. I can’t recall if college has an equivalent rule.

Anyway, this clearly causes Toppin to slightly fade backwards and his leg kicks up to counter balance the fact his body was twisting in the opposite direction. Also, watch any type of fade way jump shot and it’s a completely normal motion for the legs to kick out when fading away at all. It’s basic physics.

This call has to rank up there as one of the worst I’ve seen. The rule example of a flagrant 2 has to be called if a hit to the groin is “not clearly accidental” is terrible wording.

I've clearly described how I've come to that conclusion. "Definitely" was wrong and I admit that. I understand how the body works.
What was startling to me was the right leg thrust that 'moved' faster than the arm throwing the ball. I just cant fathom how a leg 'moves' faster than an arm which is throwing the ball. Momentum is one thing...a quick thrust on top of momentum is what I saw, JMO.
I honestly want to be proven wrong...explain how a leg is thrusted forward faster than an arm trying to make a pass...to me the leg seems like a reaction to the arm regardless of torque. How can the secondary movement be quicker than the initial response? Is it possible? I am seriously wondering? "basic" physics tells me the leg will not move faster than the arm throwing..basically LOL.
Basically Here I am in my kitchen trying to throw an apple at my pain in the ass 13 year old as i jump & throw opposite handed with 2 people jumping towards me...My leg will not move faster than my arm yet I have the motivation to kick them in the nuts softly, basically. LOL.

Seriously, I honestly think his emotions were running high and an opportunity arised and yet he backpedeled a bit so he didn't bash his balls, basically.
It may have been inadvertent or on purpose. Anyone who declares it as fact either way is...wrong which is a kind way to put it.
What are you his Uncle or something? Get a grip.
My first post said I wouldnt have called a flagrant on him jeez...

PS: I don't care , Its clearly open for debate and whoever is 100% sure is wrong so...?
Did I mention I wouldnt have called a fragrant?
If you care so much call the multiple refs that called the ridiculous fragrant. I never wouldve called it but possibly the player may have gotten away with one if not called.
PSS: I am literally very interested in the actual answer based on the physics...according to you the basics were already covered...my bad..but
I bet its very unlikely that the leg would 'move' faster than the arm throwing.

Also when I slightly fade backwards as I jump and throw the apple neither leg thrusts forward faster than either arm. Its actually a small chore to make that happen.
I now tried it with a basketball and its even harder to make my leg thrust forward faster than arm.
LOL! ROTF!
but wait a minute i cant recall if here or there if and when but anyways basically

 

[HyattsCuse]

I've clearly described how I've come to that conclusion. "Definitely" was wrong and I admit that. I understand how the body works….!
but wait a minute i cant recall if here or there if and when but anyways basically

All good, man. Sorry, looking back, I can see my post may have came off way more intense and critical than I intended. It’s not that deep. Just got into analyzing the play. lol

I was typing out my thoughts in detail based on what on I was seeing in full speed and slo-mo. Different opinion. I’d be shocked if it came out that he intentionally went for the nut shot in that situation. Looked like an accident given the predicament the two Houston guys put him in. You go under someone jumping in the air, it’s likely you’re going to get a knee/foot/elbow, when the guy comes back down.