How do you see Broyld's senior season

[bothsocksup]

I cant recall a freshman in recent history surrounded by so much excitement than Ashton was in his first season. Next season, and 4 years later, we have seen little of what we hoped to see (flashes here and there), and I'm sure nobody is more furstrated than #1. With that said, how do you guys think this Broyld story finishes out. Will he have a tremendous senior year as a WR. Will his role diminish with the emergance of younger more natural recievers. Will he wind up being a what if tale of a dominant high school qb that never quite had a position in the SU offense?

Im hoping as we all are that Ashton goes out with a bang, finds a position that clicks for him, and matures into an NFL prospect

 

[RF2044]

I cant recall a freshman in recent history surrounded by so much excitement than Ashton was in his first season. Next season, and 4 years later, we have seen little of what we hoped to see (flashes here and there), and I'm sure nobody is more furstrated than #1. With that said, how do you guys think this Broyld story finishes out. Will he have a tremendous senior year as a WR. Will his role diminish with the emergance of younger more natural recievers. Will he wind up being a what if tale of a dominant high school qb that never quite had a position in the SU offense?

Im hoping as we all are that Ashton goes out with a bang, finds a position that clicks for him, and matures into an NFL prospect

First of all, Broyld is a perfect example of why the majority of our recruits needs to redshirt. The coaching staff in 2012 viewed him as an athletic weapon that the team lacked, used him a bit [a la Johnny Morant] the first few games, with that utilization decreasing to nil about a third of the way through the year. He had a bad fumble @ Minnesota in one of our first couple of games, and I'm not sure that Marrone went back to him again the rest of the year.

Hopefully the depth has improved where we can now get back to the point where we redshirt a lot of these kids. The knock on Broyld early on was that he didn't grasp the playbook. Redshirting might have helped that, after he'd be immersed in the system and learn plays for an entire year.

His value as a strategic asset would be maximized if he were heading into next year asa fourth year junior instead of a true senior.

But I digress. In terms of how his season will play out, I think it is difficult to project, because we don't know what Lester's offense is, or how he'll use personnel. Hopefully, he has a strong senior campaign--would be nice to see him get a TD, and bolster the WR corp / depth with solid production.

 

[Frozen]

Lower body injury.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Weird to judge. Lots of hype, hard to say exactly why it was warranted - he was a regular NY recruit, not like some crazy 4 star out of a football hot bed or anything.

With 30 receptions next season or so I believe he cracks the top ten in all-time receptions here. That's a nifty accomplishment. I suspect when he came in if we said he'd finish in the top 10 in school history in a major statistical category, we'd all feel pretty good about that.

 

[AZOrange]

When I first saw the q I thought of Marcus sales. Maybe he could do that. I couldn't believe how bad broyld stats were though. He's basically done nothing. Can he get a rs for this year?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

When I first saw the q I thought of Marcus sales. Maybe he could do that. I couldn't believe how bad broyld stats were though. He's basically done nothing. Can he get a rs for this year?

Sales was a mechanic, pretty crafty receiver, he understood the position, how to get open versus man and zone. Had good hands as well. Broyld is still an athlete with no position.

 

[tep624]

First of all, Broyld is a perfect example of why the majority of our recruits needs to redshirt. The coaching staff in 2012 viewed him as an athletic weapon that the team lacked, used him a bit [a la Johnny Morant] the first few games, with that utilization decreasing to nil about a third of the way through the year. He had a bad fumble @ Minnesota in one of our first couple of games, and I'm not sure that Marrone went back to him again the rest of the year.

Hopefully the depth has improved where we can now get back to the point where we redshirt a lot of these kids. The knock on Broyld early on was that he didn't grasp the playbook. Redshirting might have helped that, after he'd be immersed in the system and learn plays for an entire year.

His value as a strategic asset would be maximized if he were heading into next year asa fourth year junior instead of a true senior.

But I digress. In terms of how his season will play out, I think it is difficult to project, because we don't know what Lester's offense is, or how he'll use personnel. Hopefully, he has a strong senior campaign--would be nice to see him get a TD, and bolster the WR corp / depth with solid production.

Actually, Broyld was coming of a prep year so I can understand the decision to try to get him in because he was physically ready. We rarely redshirt preps, usually only OL if we do. Spruill, Kobena, Dy Davis, just to name a few.

I think a better example of where you're going with this is Jamal Custis this year. Complete waste of a year for a kid that really should have redshirted. We didn't need to force him onto the field.

 

[tep624]

Sales was a mechanic, pretty crafty receiver, he understood the position, how to get open versus man and zone. Had good hands as well. Broyld is still an athlete with no position.

He's great once he gets the ball in his hands. The problem is getting the ball in his hands. I feel Ashton's two biggest weaknesses are his focus on catching the ball, basically the same focus that someone has to have when hitting a baseball each and everytime you bat - sometimes he watches the ball into his hands and sometimes he doesn't., and then his understanding and feel for where he should be on the field.

 

[City of Cuse]

Lower body injury.

I obviously don't want this to happen and it would be awful if it did, but that made me laugh pretty hard for some reason.

 

[baggerbob]

Its unfortunate that Ashton didn't become a safety like Tebucky Jones, he might have had a good career in the NFL, size with decent speed.

 

[RF2044]

Actually, Broyld was coming of a prep year so I can understand the decision to try to get him in because he was physically ready. We rarely redshirt preps, usually only OL if we do. Spruill, Kobena, Dy Davis, just to name a few.

I think a better example of where you're going with this is Jamal Custis this year. Complete waste of a year for a kid that really should have redshirted. We didn't need to force him onto the field.

My only dispute with your post is that you're describing what we've had to do recently to compensate for poor / non-existent depth. That might not be the philosophy of the coaching staff, it may have been more of a reflection of how we've been forced to manage our roster in recent years.

 

[tep624]

My only dispute with your post is that you're describing what we've had to do recently to compensate for poor / non-existent depth. That might not be the philosophy of the coaching staff, it may have been more of a reflection of how we've been forced to manage our roster in recent years.

Yeah I guess I should qualify Custis because under McDonald's system I guess we needed him with the injury to Parris at the beginning of the year, and with Enoicy out for the year (who sounded like the more physically ready of the Frosh Hback/TE guys). I just hate to see a kid blow his shirt when he's not ready and then he's not utilized that much. 4 Receptions for 15 yards is a waste in my book.

 

[RF2044]

Yeah I guess I should qualify Custis because under McDonald's system I guess we needed him with the injury to Parris at the beginning of the year, and with Enoicy out for the year (who sounded like the more physically ready of the Frosh Hback/TE guys). I just hate to see a kid blow his shirt when he's not ready and then he's not utilized that much. 4 Receptions for 15 yards is a waste in my book.

Agreed. I.E., getting "Johnny Morant-ed."

 

[CanadianSU]

Yeah I guess I should qualify Custis because under McDonald's system I guess we needed him with the injury to Parris at the beginning of the year, and with Enoicy out for the year (who sounded like the more physically ready of the Frosh Hback/TE guys). I just hate to see a kid blow his shirt when he's not ready and then he's not utilized that much. 4 Receptions for 15 yards is a waste in my book.

Absolute waste

 

[Millhouse]

Weird to judge. Lots of hype, hard to say exactly why it was warranted - he was a regular NY recruit, not like some crazy 4 star out of a football hot bed or anything.

With 30 receptions next season or so I believe he cracks the top ten in all-time receptions here. That's a nifty accomplishment. I suspect when he came in if we said he'd finish in the top 10 in school history in a major statistical category, we'd all feel pretty good about that.

300 more yards puts him at 25th in yards.

you don't want WRs who avg 9 yards a catch catching many passes. his average is between sheeran and bedle

 

[Millhouse]

He's great once he gets the ball in his hands. The problem is getting the ball in his hands. I feel Ashton's two biggest weaknesses are his focus on catching the ball, basically the same focus that someone has to have when hitting a baseball each and everytime you bat - sometimes he watches the ball into his hands and sometimes he doesn't., and then his understanding and feel for where he should be on the field.

If he's great when he gets the ball in his hands and he gets the ball in his hands a lot, why does he have so few yards and TDs

 

[kuethstheman]

Breakout!

 

[Cuseregular]

pfffffttt...

 

[tep624]

If he's great when he gets the ball in his hands and he gets the ball in his hands a lot, why does he have so few yards and TDs

Well part of it is that a number of his touches consisted of bubble screens where he's getting little if any help from blockers, and part of it is that our QB's, in general, don't do a very good job of leading receivers and that includes Hunt. How many times have we seen a pass that should be a nice crossing pattern or a deep route be underthrown, overthrown, or thrown 300 miles per hour right to the spot? When he's been led properly with passes and actually caught them (which I agree is a rarity in our offense), he has been dynamic. I don't expect him to have a lot of TD's in general in this offense because we've thrown a total of 19 TD passes over 2 years and Broyld missed 8 games this year.

 

[Crusty]

Ashton has been a good team player and I feel sorry for him having to move around so much.If he had learned the blocking schemes he might have been a hell of a RB. He didn't have the hands to be a great receiver especially in traffic.

It is entirely possible that Broyld may have no natural place to play in Lester's scheme. In watching Elmhurst's games Lester seemed to go with one back and lined up with extra blockers (tight ends or wings) and a lot of 2 receiver sets.

It will probably be hard for him to breakout in Lester's offense. The stars are more likely to be Estime and Ishmael.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

1 career rushing TD. O career receiving TD's. Not a playmaker. So far he has been a possession receiver who doesn't have good hands. Like many goods athletes in NYS he was put at QB. He should have been playing some tight end or WR in high school to help prepare him for college. He was never going to be a D1 quarterback. I really don't understand why he wasn't moved at Milford. Hopefully he has a Rak like transformation/maturation next season.

 

[rrlbees]

He should have listened to his HS coaches.

 

[cusefan88]

He should have listened to his HS coaches.

Switch to LB? Right isn't that what they said?

 

[rrlbees]

Switch to LB? Right isn't that what they said?

Told him if he wanted to get to the next level, meaning NFL, he'd have to go to the defensive side. OLB or DE. Of course he would have had to change his mindset also about hitting.

 

[Chip]

Lower body injury.

I was going to say either that or a math injury.

Still don't know what his injury is, or if it will ever be healed, or if it's a real injury, so how can we know what he'll do next year?