How does Bell go from 40% to less than 25%

[Cheriehoop]

Game turned on that ridiculous 3 attempt by Taylor early in the shot clock. They hit a transition dunk, stop, bucket.

If we get a score instead of Taylor’s brick we’re up 8.

That was a horrible turn in the game. First Moore missed a 3, he was open, then GT went down court, missed and Taylor got the rebound dribbling it racing over half court. I was in shock that he just stopped well behind the 3 point line and shot it, killing a great transition opportunity. Of course GT got the rebound and ended up with a dunk. In just 27 seconds we went from 6 up to possibly 8 or 9 , to being up only 4. It killed momentum.

 

[MikeSU02]

All of them.

Bell from 42% to 23%
JJ from 32% to 29%
Carlos 34% to 21%
Taylor from 35% to 8%
Davis from 26% to 14%

Well Cuffe has gone from 40% to 50% in 5mpg.

Listen, I’m not a necessarily disagreeing with you.

But you need way more info here. First, this is 3pt %. Not FG%, or eFG% or TS%. It should be expected that mid major players will perform worse at the ACC level. Only people on this board that drank the kool aid thought these guys were all world. It was a joke from the start.

There are also weird items like Bell doing better from 2PT% than last year.

And here’s the final thing, this team lost its two best players. Replaced them with mediocre, out of shape or bad transfers with the exception of Jyare. That’s going to have a major impact.

There’s a lot more that goes into this than GMac leaving. It ain’t like we were world beating last year.

Its most likely that this team just has guys that couldn’t make the jump and are coached poorly and there are no players like Maliq and Judah to make life easier.

So I’m sure GMac helped, but he’s been on the bench while we’ve been dive bombing. He’s not exactly known as Chip Engelland.

We are, without a doubt, a dreadful three point shooting team. But this isn’t just a GMac thing.

 

[rrlbees]

Maybe it's the new blue seats? Everyone's depth perception is off?

You don't have home/road/neutral splits handy, do you?

I do.

Bell home 17 away 30
JJ home 28 away 31
Carlos home 25 away 17
Taylor home 10 away 0
Davis 17 away 0

 

[rrlbees]

Listen, I’m not a necessarily disagreeing with you.

But you need way more info here. First, this is 3pt %. Not FG%, or eFG% or TS%. It should be expected that mid major players will perform worse at the ACC level. Only people on this board that drank the kool aid thought these guys were all world. It was a joke from the start.

There are also weird items like Bell doing better from 2PT% than last year.

And here’s the final thing, this team lost its two best players. Replaced them with mediocre, out of shape or bad transfers with the exception of Jyare. That’s going to have a major impact.

There’s a lot more that goes into this than GMac leaving. It ain’t like we were world beating last year.

Its most likely that this team just has guys that couldn’t make the jump and are coached poorly and there are no players like Maliq and Judah to make life easier.

So I’m sure GMac helped, but he’s been on the bench while we’ve been dive bombing. He’s not exactly known as Chip Engelland.

We are, without a doubt, a dreadful three point shooting team. But this isn’t just a GMac thing.

The question was about 3pt shooting. My reply was solely about 3pt shooting. A good shooting coach helps a 3pt shooter.

 

[MikeSU02]

The question was about 3pt shooting. My reply was solely about 3pt shooting. A good shooting coach helps a 3pt shooter.

My bad re it being about 3pt%. I missed that.

I still would attribute it to the guys we brought in can’t play at this level for the most part and losing the best two players.

its not like this was a good three point shooting team last year (in fact, it was awful overall). We’re just worse this year.

 

[dasher]

If he shot it a tiny bit better than last year I can assure you he was getting drafted. I know this for a fact. But that’s not happening now

A slight correction, you don't know it for a fact since it didn't happen. Kids get told things all the time that turn out to not be true. Also, what is better? If he didn't miss a shot he would have got drafted.

 

[23Zone]

The answer to why everyone is shooting so poorly is because the best three-point shooter especially clutch three-point shooter in Syracuse basketball history is no longer on the coaching staff. He understood the psyche of a shooter. GMAC

 

[Newhouser]

Cole is a much better shooter than Bell. Bigger and hustles and he didn't get drafted. No way an NBA team was drafting Bell.

 

[Scooch]

It needs to be understood how impressively bad this trend line is.

We have coaches to figure it out.

Allegedly.

 

[CuseCPT]

Well, this is not good.

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[orangefog]

Well, this is not good.

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I have two words for you...coaching

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Well, this is not good.

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Oh no, we suck again!

 

[Eric15]

I'm looking at our three point shooting numbers.

Choppa is our sharp shooter at 33% which is still pretty medicore.
Donnie 32%
Starling 29%
Bell 24%
Carlos 21%
Davis 14%
Taylor 7%

As a general rule of thumb re: Lucas, when your three point shooting percentage is roughly the same as current 30-year mortgage rates, it's a problem.

Cuffe's sample size is very small, but he's at 50%.

This has to be our worst three point shooting team since 1990.

A month ago Taylor was shooting 7% from three (not a typo). Now he's at 37%. Just one of those muscle memory things that clicked mentally.

 

[RF2044]

A month ago Taylor was shooting 7% from three (not a typo). Now he's at 37%. Just one of those muscle emory things that clicked mentally.

I think having the green light by being in the starting lineup, instead of having to make something happen coming off of the bench, is a factor too.

Not suggesting that Taylor is Klay Thompson, but he got off to a brutal start [kind of like JJ last year], and seems to have righted the ship.

 

[Irishsecra1]

No question. His shot was like perfect last year

Yeah he desperately misses Gerry.
Gerry spent a lot of time working with him last year to refine his shot and build up his confidence.
Frankly I am not all that surprised.
The thing with Gerry is not only was he a very good teacher, but he had great street cred.
He won a national championship and scored a ton of 3s.
Not the most athletically gifted, but he got the job done.
Never gave up on anything
I think we seriously underestimated his loss to this years team

 

[Nicknack]

A month ago Taylor was shooting 7% from three (not a typo). Now he's at 37%. Just one of those muscle memory things that clicked mentally.

Yep, and going back to the Maryland (last 6 games), he's shooting 50% from deep!

 

[Dr. Bill]

Yeah he desperately misses Gerry.
Gerry spent a lot of time working with him last year to refine his shot and build up his confidence.
Frankly I am not all that surprised.
The thing with Gerry is not only was he a very good teacher, but he had great street cred.
He won a national championship and scored a ton of 3s.
Not the most athletically gifted, but he got the job done.
Never gave up on anything
I think we seriously underestimated his loss to this years team

Breakdown in his mechanics. There is something that he isn't doing now, that he was doing when he was shooting 40% from 3. He needs to work it out with film study and a lot more reps until that rythm and feel comes back... But shooters know that!

 

[Dcuse]

I think having the green light by being in the starting lineup, instead of having to make something happen coming off of the bench, is a factor too.

Not suggesting that Taylor is Klay Thompson, but he got off to a brutal start [kind of like JJ last year], and seems to have righted the ship.

Hasn’t helped Moore.

 

[Jake]

“90% of shooting is half mental”. JB preferred to start shooters when possible because he felt it was too hard for them to come into a game and be effective - especially freshmen.

Given Bell’s singular talent, and that he’s not an underclassmen, he’s a bit of an outlier here.

Moore has clearly hit the freshman wall. I bet he starts to come out of it in mid-February, as has been a pattern with other Frosh.

This team could have had their roles clearly defined after Youngstown st when it was clear that Carlos was in over his head and Bell was lost.

I’ll take the wins the past couple of games. We’ve had better Syracuse teams lose to bad BC teams in the past.

 

[Jake]

Hasn’t helped Moore.

Moore has hit the freshman wall. He’ll snap out of it eventually.

 

[upperdeck]

carlos gets ripped. but he does a ton of good things on the court with a team that just doesnt go to the good spots enough to show it. his lack of size hurts him when get also gets in trouble.

 

[Jake]

carlos gets ripped. but he does a ton of good things on the court with a team that just doesnt go to the good spots enough to show it. his lack of size hurts him when get also gets in trouble.

His size yes, but most importantly is that he rarely gets himself in what I would call “plus position” against his defender - and when he does, he’s rarely able to convert that position into points.

He puts absolutely no stress on opposing defenses. You can lock him up 1v1 and never need to cheat/shade toward him. That makes everyone else’s job on offense much more difficult.

It’s why JJ has been a more effective lead guard, despite not being a true lead.

He forces defenses to cheat toward him which ultimately makes the defensive rotations more challenging and easier for the rest of the team to get better looks, better rebounding position and ultimately better conversions.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

Yep. Al Horford turned from a back-to-the-basket post-only guy into a dead-eye 3 point shooter.

I don't know that some folks here really watch the NBA. You gotta play D (unless you're Harden or Luka) and everyone hits 3s.

Yea I was unaware that the valuable 3 and D guy turned into the 3 and no D guy.

 

[upperdeck]

His size yes, but most importantly is that he rarely gets himself in what I would call “plus position” against his defender - and when he does, he’s rarely able to convert that position into points.

He puts absolutely no stress on opposing defenses. You can lock him up 1v1 and never need to cheat/shade toward him. That makes everyone else’s job on offense much more difficult.

It’s why JJ has been a more effective lead guard, despite not being a true lead.

He forces defenses to cheat toward him which ultimately makes the defensive rotations more challenging and easier for the rest of the team to get better looks, better rebounding position and ultimately better conversions.

thats not I see. I see him move into good spaces and not one player on our team knows where to go so when he goes too far he has nothing he can do. Our guys are terrible on off ball rotation, much like they are terrible at knowing how to go get rebounds.

I agree he has an issue finishing but thats not you have to do when attacking you need to draw and dish and your team mates need to stress the d as well when that happens.