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[Millhouse]

Why in the world is starling taking 6.3 3's per game in conference

95 mph heaters one inch above the rim at the smallest possible target for a ball to fit through

Moore taking 7.3 of them per 40 is also completely idiotic

What in the world are they doing? Do they even look at the book?

 

[Col. Bleep]

Why in the world is starling taking 6.3 3's per game in conference

95 mph heaters one inch above the rim at the smallest possible target for a ball to fit through

Moore taking 7.3 of them per 40 is also completely idiotic

What in the world are they doing? Do they even look at the book?

Because the coaching scheme does not mandate that they play for good shots?

 

[MikeSU02]

Why in the world is starling taking 6.3 3's per game in conference

95 mph heaters one inch above the rim at the smallest possible target for a ball to fit through

Moore taking 7.3 of them per 40 is also completely idiotic

What in the world are they doing? Do they even look at the book?

I don't pretend to know the actual answer, but it could be our offense has a lot of trouble operating. I've talked about how anemic our high screen and roll is. Maybe it's just a high quantity of bad looks for various reasons (eg, the shots are the symptoms of the disease). Could be he has the ball at the end of the shot clock, Red has told him to take more threes and/or he is pushing himself to do so on his own if he thinks he can't really reliably count on other people to get buckets and since we're behind a lot, he's extending that forcing shots to the three point line.

No matter, he is shooting 29.6% from three this year, so it's not great. He's shooting 43.6% overall on almost 16 FGA/g and his TS% is 51.5%.

To your point, whatever the case, it's not great.

Moore is my fave player from the start of the year... but the time to invest in him and get him some growth is prob long gone. I get he's played atrociously a lot, but at this point it seems he's getting the gentleman's start before the hook.

Tough spot, right? You don't want to play where you are relying on two pointers vs three pointers to the extent we are. But at the same time, the team isn't really good at shooting threes.

 

[upperdeck]

Who knows.. But in the first 10 min last night we missed so many simple shots its no wonder we dug a big hole

The lack of decent shooting from an entire team is shocking. HS teams shoot better.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Because those are the shots opposing defenses are willing to give Syracuse - and especially JJ. Teams don't want him in the paint, but they do want him chucking threes and mid-range jumpers. Some days he's going to hit a boat load of them (a la Clemson), but even so no one else on SU is capable of scoring enough to beat a decent team.

 

[phil77]

We don't run a real offense you are forced to take the shots the defense wants us to take and for us, that is deep outside jumpers. If we ran an offense we could dictate terms to the defense but we don't so other teams control us and how we play the game.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

I don't pretend to know the actual answer, but it could be our offense has a lot of trouble operating. I've talked about how anemic our high screen and roll is. Maybe it's just a high quantity of bad looks for various reasons (eg, the shots are the symptoms of the disease). Could be he has the ball at the end of the shot clock, Red has told him to take more threes and/or he is pushing himself to do so on his own if he thinks he can't really reliably count on other people to get buckets and since we're behind a lot, he's extending that forcing shots to the three point line.

No matter, he is shooting 29.6% from three this year, so it's not great. He's shooting 43.6% overall on almost 16 FGA/g and his TS% is 51.5%.

To your point, whatever the case, it's not great.

Moore is my fave player from the start of the year... but the time to invest in him and get him some growth is prob long gone. I get he's played atrociously a lot, but at this point it seems he's getting the gentleman's start before the hook.

Tough spot, right? You don't want to play where you are relying on two pointers vs three pointers to the extent we are. But at the same time, the team isn't really good at shooting threes.

Our Offense is terrible. Every once in a while we run a play and they look great.
Most of the time we have someone dribbling around with 3 or 4 players standing around and then its a chore to get a clean look.
Missing shots just like making shots is contagious, so when we get a clean look...to me those shots look rushed quite a bit.
If they can shut JJ down we are screwed. I dont understand why we dont run more plays where JJ looks to pass to a most likely open shooter or cutter. The screen and roll looks half assed.
Last night he just dribbled around trying to get seperation but its hard when every other defender cheats to help defend JJ. So he throws up a desperate shot as shot clock is expiring.
Its very ugly ball. But Im certainly no expert.
At Sullivan park in Chittenango I see better offense. Some good games there at times.

 

[PhatOrange]

I'm with ya on Starling but Moore was recruited as a sharpshooter. 3 point shooting was supposed to be his strength. Who knows what's happened but sure seems odd that Bell can't shoot now either.

 

[jncuse]

You need some guys attempting shots from outside to try to command attention out there... it then opens up the floor. If all our guys that are struggling stop shooting them, it makes it harder inside too.

Also part of the problem is the quality of the looks is below average because our creation ability is poor.

Stop shooting 3's, but make it more difficult when you go inside. Or shoot more at a bad % which is not good either. Its not a good solution either way.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Shooter's gonna shoot.

Simple as that.

 

[ar inj]

Shoot to get hot; shoot to stay hot

 

[kcsu]

We don't run a real offense you are forced to take the shots the defense wants us to take and for us, that is deep outside jumpers. If we ran an offense we could dictate terms to the defense but we don't so other teams control us and how we play the game.

We don't have the talent combined with a horrible almost non existing scheme results in the mess we are seeing.

 

[billsin01]

Why in the world is starling taking 6.3 3's per game in conference

95 mph heaters one inch above the rim at the smallest possible target for a ball to fit through

Moore taking 7.3 of them per 40 is also completely idiotic

What in the world are they doing? Do they even look at the book?

I like JJ the kid a lot. Seems like a hard-worker and a positive influence on a team.

That said, JJ the player has been a lot of empty calories. It’s points on an iffy shooting percentage with almost nothing else. Can’t be the best player on a good team at this level.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Why in the world is starling taking 6.3 3's per game in conference

95 mph heaters one inch above the rim at the smallest possible target for a ball to fit through

Moore taking 7.3 of them per 40 is also completely idiotic

What in the world are they doing? Do they even look at the book?

I don’t think you know what “humble” means.

 

[capeorange]

goTTa maKe mORe ShoTs!

 

[longtimefan]

This is not a good shooting team. But they would shoot it better if they could set each other up for better (easier) shots. That doesn't happen often enough because they handle the ball so poorly (see turnover stats).

 

[tbonezone]

Q : why does our lumbering no defense 5th year center lead us in minutes played ?
A: is it cuz he leads us in 3 point % ?

i believe both numbers somewhat encapsulate our major weaknesses.

 

[Ghost]

Missed threes are just like passes. I learned that during the end of JBs tenure.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm with ya on Starling but Moore was recruited as a sharpshooter. 3 point shooting was supposed to be his strength. Who knows what's happened but sure seems odd that Bell can't shoot now either.

I don't know what the hell anyone could possibly be looking at for him to get that reputation

I don't want to draw too many conclusions from what I've seen with my 13 year old son but it sure doesn't look very many people in youth basketball care about teaching how to shoot a ball

I'm glad baseball interferes with AAU selfishly because it's so bad to watch

Bells numbers will mostly recover when it's all said and done, he can still shoot

 

[Millhouse]

Shooter's gonna shoot.

Simple as that.

What should our players do

 

[MikeSU02]

Re offense, I just want to say, just watch how we execute the high screen and roll and defend the high screen and roll.

Just use that as an indicator.

And that's not a knock. Watch what happens. The goal is to get mismatches, 4 on 3s, etc. See how many times we run a high screen and roll and what happens. I'm not even saying we never succeed with it, but just watch what happens.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What should our players do

Fair question.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Besides JJ there is no one that is a threat to get to the basket. None of our wings make plays for their teammates. This team has a lot if flaws but our perimeter players are terrible passers. Our bigs pass a lot better than our wings. Carlos has a lot of flaws but he does have a little vision on the floor. This team is really flawed and the coaching staff has not made it better.

 

[PhatOrange]

I don't know what the hell anyone could possibly be looking at for him to get that reputation

I don't want to draw too many conclusions from what I've seen with my 13 year old son but it sure doesn't look very many people in youth basketball care about teaching how to shoot a ball

I'm glad baseball interferes with AAU selfishly because it's so bad to watch

Bells numbers will mostly recover when it's all said and done, he can still shoot

JB recruit.

I agree on all counts. You should go browse Moore's recruiting thread. His only big attribute seemed to be shooting, kid put up points and had some big shooting nights.

Some good Weitsman and NIL stuff in there to. They whined and dined this kid. It's funny that people were freaking out about Weitsman and a potential 1 million dollar NIL deal so they ran the guy out of town and now QBs are being offered 5 million or more. Syracuse people were afraid to get ahead of the curve. Now playing catch up and begging for money.

 

[baggerbob]

I don't know what the hell anyone could possibly be looking at for him to get that reputation

I don't want to draw too many conclusions from what I've seen with my 13 year old son but it sure doesn't look very many people in youth basketball care about teaching how to shoot a ball

I'm glad baseball interferes with AAU selfishly because it's so bad to watch

Bells numbers will mostly recover when it's all said and done, he can still shoot

Someone who plays 96 minutes in 5 games, and is a forward who gets a total of 1 rebound, shouldn't be playing at all.