Hunt better comp %, yards/att, ints, qb rating, and yards/game than long

[tep624]

sacks aren't getting counted in adj yards per attempt or passer rating. it's just comparing the two guys when they do throw

i don't know what's better - hunt taking off too soon or long holding on to make a play. long has more passing TD but hunt's scrambles are usually good plays

Fair enough, but I would still argue that the pass rush and pressure on plays that have resulted in a pass has been far greater on Long due to the OL injuries that it was on Hunt earlier in the year.

 

[Millhouse]

hunt is about as hardnosed as they come at qb too. not saying that matters but it might matter to shafer if he believes any of that stuff

 

[RF2044]

I personally dont care what the masses think. I have been around the game long enough, and seen enough to have an opinion on what constitutes a qb who can take us places. Its no secret that I have been anti-Hunt all along (just read my posts dating back since he got here), but if I was wrong about him i would have GLADLY admitted it and watched him help us take the next step forward.

Fact is, he cant throw a football. Intangibles dont matter if u can not throw the pigskin.

AJ Long- i like the kid. he has heart and he can throw. he has no fear. he is only a Frosh. BUT, he is also 4 foot 7, or so it seems. It will be tough for him.

As for Edouard, yeah... he passes the eye test. Just like Ishmael did. There is a reason some kids have a buzz around them, more often than not its warranted. I think he will be the next good one for us. We shall see... I dont care who is the QB if we win (and not in spite of them). Its tough to fork over $$ for season tix year after year just to watch us get smoked or hand games away. A 1-4, soon to be 1-5 home record is a joke. that should NEVER happen.

Just out of curiosity, what did the 'eye test' tell you about Edouard's throwing capabilities? Most of the film I watched showed a good athlete with a funky release, not a terribly accurate thrower, etc.

I'll gladly hope that I'm wrong, but the film didn't give me a lot of confidence that he'd develop into a passer. He reminds me of a poor man's Carlisle Holliday. Elusive runner, good athlete, not a natural thrower.

 

[TBCuse11]

Just out of curiosity, what did the 'eye test' tell you about Edouard's throwing capabilities? Most of the film I watched showed a good athlete with a funky release, not a terribly accurate thrower, etc.

I'll gladly hope that I'm wrong, but the film didn't give me a lot of confidence that he'd develop into a passer. He reminds me of a poor man's Carlisle Holliday. Elusive runner, good athlete, not a natural thrower.

VALID. He does not have the best form. but to me he looked accurate. i just cant sit there and watch Hunt sail bubble screens 10 yards over our guys heads anymore. i think if he was here all year, he would be playing right now. we will never know.

 

[anomander]

I don't think Long starting next year is a foregone conclusion. I'm fine with it if they think he has more upside.

Long is better at throwing for TD. Hunt runs for more TDs. Whatever

Long's offense 2-10 in red zone. Hunt's was 7 for 15 (ignoring Nova)

I pretty much feel the same. Don't think Long is a foregone conclusion to start, but would understand if they want to go with someone who still has 3 years left in the program. And anyone who thinks Edouard is DEFINITELY the answer without taking a snap is out of their mind. Looks like we will be shaping up for another 3 man quarterback dual come January. Fun fun

 

[KaiserUEO]

I don't think Long starting next year is a foregone conclusion. I'm fine with it if they think he has more upside.

Long is better at throwing for TD. Hunt runs for more TDs. Whatever

Long's offense 2-10 in red zone. Hunt's was 7 for 15 (ignoring Nova)

is there a 3 year, P5 STARTER, about to graduate...who could use a good year at Newhouse for an MBA??

 

[Macky44]

Johnny Miller!

Hey..at least we got some use out of AAM. Colorado hasn't been kind to us.

 

[Millhouse]

is there a 3 year, P5 STARTER, about to graduate...who could use a good year at Newhouse for an MBA??

UB joe licata? i don't know the rules. he's a redshirt junior. not p5 but probably better than anyone we have

 

[KaiserUEO]

UB joe licata? i don't know the rules. he's a redshirt junior. not p5 but probably better than anyone we have

sold.

if the kid thinks hes got a chance to hold a clipboard for a few years, this is a perfect chance to see for real.

 

[Millhouse]

sold.

if the kid thinks hes got a chance to hold a clipboard for a few years, this is a perfect chance to see for real.

take your shot at playing, go back to buffalo, be their go to college football talking head

 

[djorange1989]

Hey..at least we got some use out of AAM. Colorado hasn't been kind to us.

Did Miller end up going to jail? I could never find any follow up info on that robbery.

 

[Macky44]

I know he was arrested and charged. Didn't waste my energy digging deeper for a kid who didn't give a damn about himself.

 

[GoSU96]

unfortunately, whoever wins the job will still not be what we need. 6-6 is going to be tough once again next year.

Edouard was the guy...

And West is no more than the 5th best receiver on the team and just a body.

 

[Chip]

I don't think either is the answer at this point.

I don't want to jump off the AJ Long bandwagon just yet, because he is so young. But what really worried me more than anything was that hail mary to end the game. He was standing around our 45, and threw the ball to their 10.

That terrifies me.

 

[Cusefan78]

I don't want to jump off the AJ Long bandwagon just yet, because he is so young. But what really worried me more than anything was that hail mary to end the game. He was standing around our 45, and threw the ball to their 10.

That terrifies me.

An off season in the weight room fixes that.

 

[Millhouse]

I don't want to jump off the AJ Long bandwagon just yet, because he is so young. But what really worried me more than anything was that hail mary to end the game. He was standing around our 45, and threw the ball to their 10. That terrifies me.

Afterward it also scared me a little that they didn't sub in Wilson or Dixon or someone who could get it to the end zone

 

[orangehomer]

I don't think Long starting next year is a foregone conclusion. I'm fine with it if they think he has more upside.

Long is better at throwing for TD. Hunt runs for more TDs. Whatever

Long's offense 2-10 in red zone. Hunt's was 7 for 15 (ignoring Nova)

long hasn't had nearly as healthy of a team to work with. not saying hunt is better or worse, but it matters.

 

[OrangePA]

if i relied on the eye test only, i would think long is much better than the numbers say. but i'm skeptical of eye tests

maybe games as bad as clemson are going to be rare.

take out clemson and his adj yards/att is 5.4 still lower than hunt's but close.

if they decide to just ignore that sh!tshow at clemson at night going forward, i won't blame them. but still 5.4 in the other games is bad

My lay eyes tell me that Long does things that an effective QB has to do - throw accurate passes and passes that are easy to catch and move quickly in the pocket - better than Hunt does.

Hunt has been playing major college football for four years.

Long has been playing for about eight months.

You would think that Long has the upside.

 

[Millhouse]

My lay eyes tell me that Long does things that an effective QB has to do - throw accurate passes and passes that are easy to catch and move quickly in the pocket - better than Hunt does.

Hunt has been playing major college football for four years.

Long has been playing four about eight months.

You would think that Long has the upside.

i do think long is better at throwing most passes. i wonder about deep balls. hunt isn't that bad there. but there's more to QBing than simply throwing. if he can't see defenders or receivers can't see him, it's a problem. if he throws perfect passes into linemans elbows...

if you take away the 6 INTs, his new qb rating is still only 119. i don't know, that's still pretty bad. if it were just "ok the kid got fooled or forced it", i'd shrug it off. but i don't think that's it

long looks like a better passer but something is going on that makes his numbers look so bad. the sacks aren't wrecking these numbers, not factored in.

i think if long is the guy because of some intangible thing we're seeing, we better think long and hard (chip bot alert) about who the OC is

i think long could be a spectacular air raid quarterback. make those defensive lineman be miles apart. we're not going to do that because we have to do everything the hard way. so now what?

hunts bad throws are SO BAD that they haunt our dreams but in the end an incompletion that makes me think i'd be embarrassed throwing that in my yard is no different than a ho hum one.

 

[OrangePA]

i do think long is better at throwing most passes. i wonder about deep balls. hunt isn't that bad there. but there's more to QBing than simply throwing. if he can't see defenders or receivers can't see him, it's a problem. if he throws perfect passes into linemans elbows...

if you take away the 6 INTs, his new qb rating is still only 119. i don't know, that's still pretty bad. if it were just "ok the kid got fooled or forced it", i'd shrug it off. but i don't think that's it

long looks like a better passer but something is going on that makes his numbers look so bad. the sacks aren't wrecking these numbers, not factored in.

i think if long is the guy because of some intangible thing we're seeing, we better think long and hard (chip bot alert) about who the OC is

i think long could be a spectacular air raid quarterback. make those defensive lineman be miles apart. we're not going to do that because we have to do everything the hard way. so now what?

hunts bad throws are SO BAD that they haunt our dreams but in the end an incompletion that makes me think i'd be embarrassed throwing that in my yard is no different than a ho hum one.

Hunt's long throws were usually clothes line throws - very hard to catch - too fine a margin for error.

Long does not have a strong arm - that's a problem.

But most of the throws we have seen from him are effective.

And, he seems very good at throwing to space - something I never saw Hunt do.

 

[OrangePA]

I don't want to jump off the AJ Long bandwagon just yet, because he is so young. But what really worried me more than anything was that hail mary to end the game. He was standing around our 45, and threw the ball to their 10.

That terrifies me.

Clearly an issue.

 

[Millhouse]

Hunt's long throws were usually clothes line throws - very hard to catch - too fine a margin for error.

Long does not have a strong arm - that's a problem.

But, for most of the throws we have seen from him are effective.

And, he seems very good at throwing to space - something I never saw Hunt do.

i loved the back shoulder throw from i think the FSU game. if it was on purpose (i think so)

it's a puzzle. long looks like he's better than his numbers but i don't trust eyes (your's mine anyone elses) and i wonder if it just boils down to him being too small. russell wilson is the favorite comparison but he never makes mistakes. 17 td to 1 int as a (rs) freshman.

maybe instead of long as wilson, we need a senior transfer like wilson - give long a redshirt year in the gym. joe licata - italian western new yorker - perfect!

tom o'brien let wilson walk away because of baseball. i still can't believe it

 

[Chip]

Clearly an issue.

There were a couple times in the NC State game, where Long was clearly looking deep. But watching on TV, I couldn't tell if he didn't pull the trigger because the WR was covered, or if he was worried that he'd get popped by the pass rush onslaught.

After the hail mary, in hindsight, I wondered if he thought the WR was already too far and he wasn't going to get it there.

 

[Millhouse]

There were a couple times in the NC State game, where Long was clearly looking deep. But watching on TV, I couldn't tell if he didn't pull the trigger because the WR was covered, or if he was worried that he'd get popped by the pass rush onslaught.

After the hail mary, in hindsight, I wondered if he thought the WR was already too far and he wasn't going to get it there.

last hail mary i saw like that was dusty bonner in 1999 music city.

(a guy with no arm in that weird gimmick offense that we should never consider who threw for 3000 yards...)

 

[tep624]

i loved the back shoulder throw from i think the FSU game. if it was on purpose (i think so)

it's a puzzle. long looks like he's better than his numbers but i don't trust eyes (your's mine anyone elses) and i wonder if it just boils down to him being too small. russell wilson is the favorite comparison but he never makes mistakes. 17 td to 1 int as a (rs) freshman.

maybe instead of long as wilson, we need a senior transfer like wilson - give long a redshirt year in the gym. joe licata - italian western new yorker - perfect!

tom o'brien let wilson walk away because of baseball. i still can't believe it

Arm strength is, imo, the biggest physical issue with Long. He's a college QB and even at 6'0 he can still be effective. He can work on his speed numbers. He can bulk up a bit.

He needs more experience, that goes without saying. What I want to see going into next season is the exact opposite of what happened with Hunt this season - improvement. If AJ flatlines or regresses, then I'm on board with him not being the answer. But he's a true frosh who has a swiss cheese line right now, he's going to make mistakes just because he's a frosh and that gets compounded when he's running for his life every other play.