Hunt > Nassib

[Marsh01]

How many deep balls did Nassib hit as a sophomore? Watch the tape and get back to me.

Yea i will get right on that.

 

[Marsh01]

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[anomander]

For what it seems we are trying to do Hunt seems like a good fit, especially if he continues to progress. Nobody can deny his improvement the last 3 games of the season. Plus he isn't being asked to push the ball down field consistently, it's mainly short, efficient passes. His accuracy leaves a bit to be desired at times. i think this will need to be his biggest area of improvement. The 3 qb's this staff have brought in are basically what Hunt is though. Clearly they want a DT qb, and that's what he is. He has shown us all year how good he is with his feet. He has the body to sustain the blows, something neither of the incoming qb's have at this stage of their development. I think the only person who has the chance to take Hunt's job next is Kimble.

 

[baggerbob]

The longest pass completion in Nassib's sophomore year was 52 yards, Hunt had a 65 yarder. Nassib at least took a few snaps his 1st year.

 

[xc84]

Hunt just has better instincts. When he needs to run, he runs. Nassib certainly in his first starting year, just could not pull the trigger on the run when needed. Very indecisive. As for arms, I don't see a lot of difference especially with accuracy. People marveled at Nassib's "cannon" which is just a fancy way to say he consistently overthrew receivers on long balls. Given that, I like both. Nassib played his heart out and Hunt has really stepped up but has a ways to go.

 

[SmilinBob]

When Nassib wasn't in a groove he really struggled and imo Hunt is better consistency wise at the same stage. Plus, Hunt moves the chains with his feet way better than Ryan. If we are able to compare Hunt to a high draft pick I think we have something pretty good here.

 

[Crusty]

It seems to me we are comparing apples to oranges - pro-style vs. dual threat. On top of it we have the benefit of knowing Nassib's last two years and that colors everything - you simply can't unknow it. It is really a question of the style you prefer. While I really love Ryan, I will take a good DT QB every time in the college game.

Both are leaders and both have grit. I will take either one in my life boat anytime. Both are smart and, as with most smart guys, are coach-able.

Nassib - was the smartest QB we have have in many years. He put us in the right play most of the time, which is one of the most important things a QB can do. He read his hots very well and, while he tried to force throws into small windows, guys with his arm always do that. We forget the ones he made!

Nassib was in complete command and was a great leader. In his senior year he really was amazing. The wins against USF and Mizzou were great testament to his leadership.

IMO he clearly has the stronger arm. That doesn't mean he can throw it the farthest but, rather, that he can make the tough passes that will be intercepted if not thrown with enough velocity. He was very accurate at intermediate passes but was no threat to stretch the field. This was a great weakness becasue he was also no threat to run.

Hunt - is a real dual threat QB, which in today's college game is a great equalizer. There are only two ways stop defenses from stacking the box - stretch the field with long passes or have a QB that can run when the DB's turn their back. Hunt is still learning to throw the long ball but I would argue that he is at least as accurate as Ryan ever was. Terrel misses long most of the time - with Ryan you never knew if the ball was even going to stay in bounds. (It is the main reason IMO that DM passed on him.)

Hunt clearly has command of the team and is the unquestioned leader. His prime time cred is pretty amazing for a RS Soph. The team clearly has faith in him (as do I).

Hunt still has much to learn with pre-snap reads and hot routes but he is improving rapidly. He took care of the ball much better as the season went along.
Part of Hunt's early season lack of success in the passing game was a result of having average receivers playing in an above average conference. As they improved and new guys stepped up, he got noticeably better.

If Hunt is going to be the guy to take us to a level higher we should know by the end of the first half of next season.

 

[SmilinBob]

I agree Crusty. Hunt has a lot of improving/work to do as Nassib did as well and we'll see how this thing goes and like you I like the direction this is going.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

hunt will make a great SS next year.

i hope we start a highly accurate & patient QB.

throwing all #s out...i know what i saw, i know what i want, i know what they need......and hunt aint it.

Really...really...? You're going to start with this nonsense again? Really? You want to know when SU will be looking for a new QB? I'll tell you. SU will be looking for a new QB after two years when Hunt graduates.

 

[CanadianSU]

This is old. Im betting my life Hunt starts next year lads.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Really...really...? You're going to start with this nonsense again? Really? You want to know when SU will be looking for a new QB? I'll tell you. SU will be looking for a new QB after two years when Hunt graduates.

time will tell.

hey, he got better or at least the game slowed a bit, but imo if we cant recruit over what is clearly a long way to go, then we have problems.

just get me wins.

dont care which of the cattle takes the snaps.

lets let him enjoy his cowboy hat for a bit before we do an over/under on future starts.

 

[TheCusian]

time will tell. hey, he got better or at least the game slowed a bit, but imo if we cant recruit over what is clearly a long way to go, then we have problems. just get me wins. dont care which of the cattle takes the snaps. lets let him enjoy his cowboy hat for a bit before we do an over/under on future starts.

I don't think you can look at his last 2-3 games and say a freshman in our recruiting range can step in and be better.

By my count, this kid just got you wins. 7-4 as a new starter with a new OC is pretty good.

 

[Crusty]

I don't think you can look at his last 2-3 games and say a freshman in our recruiting range can step in and be better.

By my count, this kid just got you wins. 7-4 as a new starter with a new OC is pretty good.

hunt is actually 7-2 in winnable games. That said, it is always possible that the exceptional true frosh can beat him out. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I don't think you can look at his last 2-3 games and say a freshman in our recruiting range can step in and be better.

By my count, this kid just got you wins. 7-4 as a new starter with a new OC is pretty good.

cant deny the win total.

hes tebowesque in that regard.

maybe in more ways than 1......

 

[SUFan44]

cant deny the win total.

hes tebowesque in that regard.

maybe in more ways than 1...

Could care less if he's an NFL QB.

He's an improving college QB who can be good in time. Good to very good, IMO.

But time is one thing many on this board don't have an understanding of.

 

[Millhouse]

cant deny the win total.

hes tebowesque in that regard.

maybe in more ways than 1...

if tebow were born in the northeast, his inevitably meatheaded coach would've had him throw the ball 5 times a game. in florida in high school, he threw for 10,000 yards

hunt has shown enough quick improvement for me to be at least open minded. i don't want to wait forever. we need to get out of the habit of getting one good year out of 4

 

[KaiserUEO]

Could care less if he's an NFL QB.

He's an improving college QB who can be good in time. Good to very good, IMO.

But time is one thing many on this board don't have an understanding of.

NFL??? NFL???!!!!

sweet jiminy christmas who said that??

time is not something Syracuse or any school has anymore.

hunt just had his 'learning time'.

he needs to be polished, or all the kids who are in, or coming in...will surely or at least hopefully, pass him by.

no pun intended.

nah, pun intended, i like it.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

NFL??? NFL???!!!!

sweet jiminy christmas who said that??

time is not something Syracuse or any school has anymore.

hunt just had his 'learning time'.

he needs to be polished, or all the kids who are in, or coming in...will surely or at least hopefully, pass him by.

no pun intended.

nah, pun intended, i like it.

Yes, the time is now. There will come a point in time, where the offense shutting down for games at a time wont be tolerated. You want 8-9 wins well you need to be able to move the ball consistently. Syracuse needs a balanced attack on defense, offense, specials. This was different as options were limited but going into a hole for 3-4 games will find Hunt on the bench which it should.

Crowning Hunt the starter for 2 more years is crazy at this point. That said, there is no substitute for game experience and I think Hunt turned a corner at the end of the year but I don't think the staff will be willing to sit through a mid season slump like we did this year.

I like Hunt, think he will be tough to beat out at least in spring and summer but he has a ton of work to do and two kids pushing hard for his spot

 

[ForeverOrange]

I think we can all agree that if someone is able to beat Hunt out for the start next season after his performance towards the end of the season and the bowl game, then we are in for a pretty good season next year.

2 things that I noticed about both:
Both struggle at the long ball, but I feel Hunt will improve at that, as some of the long balls he threw were catchable, the receiver just didn't bring it in.
Nassib bread and butter pass seemed to be the slant. I don't really know what pass Hunt is consistently good at yet, maybe the screen.

 

[Crusty]

NFL??? NFL???!!!!

sweet jiminy christmas who said that??

time is not something Syracuse or any school has anymore.

hunt just had his 'learning time'.

he needs to be polished, or all the kids who are in, or coming in...will surely or at least hopefully, pass him by.

no pun intended.

nah, pun intended, i like it.

Good pun - I like it also!

When Peter Carroll went to USC he opened every position for every game to competition. That's the way it should be.

Hunt has had his learning time and he responded pretty well, Now he needs to bend that curve upward. He is a cool customer and that is not something you can coach. If he has better receivers I think we will see his completion rate jump from 61% to the mid-high 60's and average yards per attempt of 6.0 is likely to increase as we throw downfield more often. (We aren't recruiting all these WR to throw bubble screens.)

His QB rating of 117 is held down by the fact we throw so many quick passes and Hunt's TD ratio is low. It is obviously helped by his TD runs and yardage gained. I can easily see Hunt's QB rating rise above 130-135.

Unless Hunt regresses, which I doubt, he is the guys for the next two years, without much doubt.

 

[money3189]

If anyone thinks a freshman or a redshirt freshman is gonna come in and play over Hunt then I dont know what to tell you. Forbidding any injury its not gonna happen. Its not rather they can throw more accurate or have a stronger arm. Its all about the intangibles, its about the players on the team and if they buy into him. That will take an awful lot to do. The players love hunt, believe in Hunt. Same with the coaches. I will assume that Hunt will work hard this offseason on his weaknesses. Coaches have to find that 2nd guy who can push him so he can continue to get better. Out of all the film that Ive seen on the last 4 QB recruits. Edouard is the best in my eyes but that doesn't necessarily mean he will be the best once he gets on campus. AJ seems to have the intangibles, Kimble and Wilson might surprise us. They will all make each other better but if Edouard is what he seems to be I think he can be Hunt's back up towards the end of the 2014 season and at worst will take over as the starter for the 2016 season, hopefully as a redshirt sophomore.

 

[money3189]

I think we can all agree that if someone is able to beat Hunt out for the start next season after his performance towards the end of the season and the bowl game, then we are in for a pretty good season next year.

2 things that I noticed about both:
Both struggle at the long ball, but I feel Hunt will improve at that, as some of the long balls he threw were catchable, the receiver just didn't bring it in.
Nassib bread and butter pass seemed to be the slant. I don't really know what pass Hunt is consistently good at yet, maybe the screen.

I thought Hunt threw pretty good In routes. I think the staff didnt trust the WR's enough to throw those consistently. He needs to improve on deeps balls, short and deep outs. the staff also stopped throwing post routes after the NC state game. Needs to improve there too he was hanging them too much. I will like for him to become better on play action pass plays too

 

[Crusty]

I thought Hunt threw pretty good In routes. I think the staff didnt trust the WR's enough to throw those consistently. He needs to improve on deeps balls, short and deep outs. the staff also stopped throwing post routes after the NC state game. Needs to improve there too he was hanging them too much. I will like for him to become better on play action pass plays too

Hunt doesn't seem to put much air under the ball on longer passes (maybe that is just me) and I think he is likely to get pretty good at intermediate passes in the middle of the field. Nassib was great at those.