Hunt's Reaction To Decision

[Rocco]

i dont believe that hunt can throw for 450 yards or whatever v ped st and northwestern.

not for 1 second.

i also dont think hed complete 55% of his passes.

11 in the box...here we come!!!

as it was, v the freshman team.,,..he completed 50%, and royally fd up a play that got him his 6.

So why do you think that? If you don't think he would've been as good as Allen's below average stat line, I'd like to know why. We haven't seen Hunt play with the 1's or against the 1's, so just trying to feel out your stance.

Lastly, if "royally up" a play results in a 15 yard TD, sign me up. Lester said it was botched, but I can't find any replay of it.

 

[KaiserUEO]

So why do you think that? If you don't think he would've been as good as Allen's below average stat line, I'd like to know why. We haven't seen Hunt play with the 1's or against the 1's, so just trying to feel out your stance.

Lastly, if "royally up" a play results in a 15 yard TD, sign me up. Lester said it was botched, but I can't find any replay of it.

because professional coaches decided he wouldnt be the best QB to give Syracuse a chance to win either game.

he got beat out.

and until Allen cant do anything v talent on a level playing field...then personally, im not a chicken little.

and again, your TD came v the 4th team or whatever...queue DC...Whoop De Damn Do.

Oh Lord

 

[sufandu]

Unless Allen blew Hunt away, I would hope he thinks he's better. I want every second stringer to think they're better and fight to steal the job from the starter. It's called healthy competition and makes teams better.

 

[ImperialOrange]

My issue is that we effectively have been running a offense built for Hunt but with Allen at the helm. Allen throws a better deep ball by all accounts but we don't throw it deep so why not try someone who did better throwing underneath? The other side is the read option. We've seen Hunt run he ball and we've seen the Allen has no interest running. The defense is stacking the box regardless so may as well give them an extra option to worry about vs playing 7 on 8 in the box.

I'm in the camp of lets see what Hunt can bring now otherwise we'll be doing the same dance next year.

 

[Bayside44]

For better or worse, we didn't take a transfer from a perennial power to ride the bench.

That's why he's starting.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So, on the Allen deep ball thing...

I suspect Allen does throw a better deep ball, but also throws a better intermediate ball, and a better short ball. I believe the coaches have more faith in Allen's balls than Hunt's balls.

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[ssbriefcase]

because professional coaches decided he wouldnt be the best QB to give Syracuse a chance to win either game.

he got beat out.

and until Allen cant do anything v talent on a level playing field...then personally, im not a chicken little.

and again, your TD came v the 4th team or whatever...queue DC...Whoop De Damn Do.

Oh Lord

did I miss something??

 

[kcsu]

If Allen had one more year there would be no debate he is the better qb

 

[ImperialOrange]

If Allen had one more year there would be no debate he is the better qb

There would be debate still but a bit more leeway given.

 

[PhatOrange]

put me in the camp that wanted Hunt 9 months ago looooong before Allen came along.

And someone should go pull up all those threads, before the season started about who they want to be the QB - hunt or allen or even loeb. i recall a fair number of people pulling for Hunt to win the the job.

 

[ImperialOrange]

So, on the Allen deep ball thing...

I suspect Allen does throw a better deep ball, but also throws a better intermediate ball, and a better short ball. I believe the coaches have more faith in Allen's balls than Hunt's balls.

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The one thing that set them apart Is Allen's ability to chuck it 70 yards. The fact that we don't appear willing/able to use said weapon makes you have to revaluate.

Perhaps if the coaches weren't in love with Allen's balls we would hand it off to our best offensive player more often? I have to think that if our new oc was a former rb coach vs wr coach this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Opus]

So everyone has lost faith in the coaches after 2 games? Because that's what these threads all say. I bet many of the people talking about Allen like he's a dog thought at one time he was the savior.


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Exactly. Ok I probably shouldn't say this but the football board is starting to mirror the bball board in the number of drama queens. Ok I'll shut up.

 

[orangefog]

I love it. Every backup hates their starters guts but most are typically politically correct about it. I want Terrel to wake up each morning, look Drew in the eye and say "Screw you" and I want Drew to say "no, screw you"

Does that make sense?

Wait, I think alot of people are missing a very important issue here. Why exactly are they waking up together?

 

[TheCusian]

The one thing that set them apart Is Allen's ability to chuck it 70 yards. The fact that we don't appear willing/able to use said weapon makes you have to revaluate.

Perhaps if the coaches weren't in love with Allen's balls we would hand it off to our best offensive player more often? I have to think that if our new oc was a former rb coach vs wr coach this wouldn't be an issue.

I don't think it was the "one thing"...

 

[690West]

Wait, I think alot of people are missing a very important issue here. Why exactly are they waking up together?

Not that theres anything wrong with that...

 

[CuseOnly]

i dont believe that hunt can throw for 450 yards or whatever v ped st and northwestern.

not for 1 second.

i also dont think hed complete 55% of his passes.

11 in the box...here we come!!!

as it was, v the freshman team.,,..he completed 50%, and royally fd up a play that got him his 6.

I always look for Kaiser's response...

i dont believe that hunt can throw for 450 yards or whatever v ped st and northwestern.
not for 1 second. I think Hunt can easily throw for 225 yards a game average, it's only about 5 yards per attempt, there are about 120 QB's that already average more and only 10 in FBS football that don't. Also, won't ever find out if we don't give him a shot, Allen had his and proved he is incapable so far. You are setting a pretty low bar actually.

i also dont think hed complete 55% of his passes. I think Hunt can easily complete 55% + and also is a threat to run the read option. Allen so far isn't threat to run by any means and if I were the opposing team I am hoping he stares down receivers and throws the ball.

11 in the box...here we come!!! 11 in the box? You've never had 11 in the box before, can't be true.

as it was, v the freshman team.,,..he completed 50%, and royally fd up a play that got him his 6. Keep in mind that he was also playing with 3rd stringers as well and not the 1's. Again, I would rather have a QB that can improvise, extend plays and make something happen that isn't bad. Remember that Allen had 7 or 8 series and he screwed up 6 of them and it resulted in 20+ points for NW. At least when Hunt 's something up we might come away without points for the other team.

Disagree if you want but you can look at yards, completion %, etc. The MOST IMPORTANT STAT in football is turnovers...PERIOD. They can tell you with about 85% accuracy who won every game from the beginning of football. Marrone used to quote the stats from memory, one of them was that when you are -2 in a game, your chances of winning were around 13% regardless of opponent. When you are -3 that goes down to 7-8%. Right now our starter is -6, what were our chances to win, not very good.

 

[TheCusian]

I always look for Kaiser's response...

i dont believe that hunt can throw for 450 yards or whatever v ped st and northwestern.
not for 1 second. I think Hunt can easily throw for 225 yards a game average, it's only about 5 yards per attempt, there are about 120 QB's that already average more and only 10 in FBS football that don't. Also, won't ever find out if we don't give him a shot, Allen had his and proved he is incapable so far. You are setting a pretty low bar actually.

i also dont think hed complete 55% of his passes. I think Hunt can easily complete 55% + and also is a threat to run the read option. Allen so far isn't threat to run by any means and if I were the opposing team I am hoping he stares down receivers and throws the ball.

11 in the box...here we come!!! 11 in the box? You've never had 11 in the box before, can't be true.

as it was, v the freshman team.,,..he completed 50%, and royally fd up a play that got him his 6. Keep in mind that he was also playing with 3rd stringers as well and not the 1's. Again, I would rather have a QB that can improvise, extend plays and make something happen that isn't bad. Remember that Allen had 7 or 8 series and he screwed up 6 of them and it resulted in 20+ points for NW. At least when Hunt 's something up we might come away without points for the other team.

Disagree if you want but you can look at yards, completion %, etc. The MOST IMPORTANT STAT in football is turnovers...PERIOD. They can tell you with about 85% accuracy who won every game from the beginning of football. Marrone used to quote the stats from memory, one of them was that when you are -2 in a game, your chances of winning were around 13% regardless of opponent. When you are -3 that goes down to 7-8%. Right now our starter is -6, what were our chances to win, not very good.

Yep - that's the break. Some fans see the completion percentage, yds, correct reads and think "if he only eliminated the INTs" - while others see the INTs and think we can't win with this QB.

The truth? Both are correct. If Allen eliminates the INT we're fine. If not, we give Hunt the ball and see if he is better. But it's going to take the next 2 games (maybe 3*) to figure it out.

*What happens if Allen plays well enough to hold onto his spot, but Hunt looks good too... Then we get down to Clemson by a 3-4 scores? Hunt comes in and does what he does against NW? This is the worse case scenario in my mind. Don't want it to drag into the really winnable ACC portion of the schedule.

 

[CuseOnly]

Yep - that's the break. Some fans see the completion percentage, yds, correct reads and think "if he only eliminated the INTs" - while others see the INTs and think we can't win with this QB.

The truth? Both are correct. If Allen eliminates the INT we're fine. If not, we give Hunt the ball and see if he is better. But it's going to take the next 2 games (maybe 3*) to figure it out.

*What happens if Allen plays well enough to hold onto his spot, but Hunt looks good too... Then we get down to Clemson by a 3-4 scores? Hunt comes in and does what he does against NW? This is the worse case scenario in my mind. Don't want it to drag into the really winnable ACC portion of the schedule.

My point has been that if the competition was truly Neck and Neck, then after seeing the mistakes that Allen has made, how can you not give Hunt a shot. Basing this solely upon what the coaches were saying in camp, NVM the Hunt touchdown. Again, unless what they were saying was not true but I would think the players themselves could see who was the better choice.

Worst case is that we continue with an offensive strategy where the QB doesn't fit, makes mistakes and has no discernable identity, mis-uses our best players (Jerome, West, Beckett, etc.) and contributes to the losses.

 

[SmilinBob]

I still have yet to see a link about Hunt's reaction.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

I still have yet to see a link about Hunt's reaction.

Yup, could this be a record for longest thread on an unsubstantiated rumor? Or do I have to head over to the basketball forum for that?

 

[All4SU]

Well, there was a thread in late August that included a tweet from TH that seemed to imply he was angry. I believe that is what is being reference. I'm to going to go scratching through the archives to try and find it.

 

[TheCusian]

My point has been that if the competition was truly Neck and Neck, then after seeing the mistakes that Allen has made, how can you not give Hunt a shot. Basing this solely upon what the coaches were saying in camp, NVM the Hunt touchdown. Again, unless what they were saying was not true but I would think the players themselves could see who was the better choice.

Worst case is that we continue with an offensive strategy where the QB doesn't fit, makes mistakes and has no discernable identity, mis-uses our best players (Jerome, West, Beckett, etc.) and contributes to the losses.

I think it all comes down to who the coaches believe gives them the best chance to win. And Lester basically said, if you eliminate the INTs, Drew would have had an excellent game.

Reading between the lines - if he throws more INT and makes bad reads, he's out. If he fixes that stuff he's the guy going forward.

 

[TerryM]

Not that theres anything wrong with that...

There isn't?

 

[KaiserUEO]

I think it all comes down to who the coaches believe gives them the best chance to win. And Lester basically said, if you eliminate the INTs, Drew would have had an excellent game.

Reading between the lines - if he throws more INT and makes bad reads, he's out. If he fixes that stuff he's the guy going forward.

I'm probably the wrong person to stick my head into an interception discussion, for with my pro team, they are a necessary evil.

30 years ago Parcells told Simms...'if you don't throw 2 interceptions today, you aren't trying'...and we were off to the races.

Eli throws them with regularity and has 2 SuperBowl Wins to show for it. He's got to just sit back there and throw with reckless abandon in order for the team to succeed.

Maybe the Syracuse staff knows it can't move the ball without accepting a little black mark here and there and that Allen can pull it off and hunt can't?

Te play calling has been horrendous and I'm down on the staff, yet I've spent all week defending them.

Is it happy hour yet??
:bat:

Oh Lord

 

[RMH44]

Yup, could this be a record for longest thread on an unsubstantiated rumor? Or do I have to head over to the basketball forum for that?

Funny you should mention that since after an 0-2 start this board has resembled the hoops board in many ways...including slamming individual players by name.

Call out the game plan, in-game decisions, schemes and even the coaches...but, IMHO, the players (amateur athletes) should be off limits.

Btw, that doesn't include suggesting that maybe "we should give Hunt a chance" or "Allen needs to work on his check-downs" or "Broyld needs to make that catch" type of posts. What I'm referring to is "player X is atrocious" or "Jerome Smith's next cutback will be his first" type of statements. We're better than that.