I don't know what's harder to believe...

[Chip]

kind of like being married, no?

Ha, maybe for you.

I'm wrong 95% of the time and people only remember that 95%.

 

[RandomGuy]

The life of an offensive lineman. Do something right 95% of the time and people only remember the other 5%.

Exactly. Destroy people every play? Only personal stat is a pancake, or a grade. Neither official.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Ha, maybe for you.

I'm wrong 95% of the time and people only remember that 95%.

You hit on someone you later find out is a cousin one time and...

 

[RandomGuy]

I think I would rather have Servais at center and then provide the inserted RT support from Elmore on passing downs than move Servais out to RT. Just spitballing but to me Servais being moved from center destabilizes the whole line because now the weaker link is the backup center or am I missing something?

^^^^^

It's not so much weaker link, for me. I want veteran help on either side of the next man up.

 

[rrlbees]

Makes you wonder if Ilaoa was the one penalized by PFF on that last play.

I decided to watch, because I'm not sure how much I trust these PFF ratings. And because I have some time in my busy workday.

Ilaoa comes in with 9:29 left in the 4th quarter.

1st play - Shrader sacked, Bergeron gets beat.
2nd play - Ilaoa gets beat by DT, but Shrader side steps, delayed blitzing LB in his face, incomplete.
3rd play - Pass protection was fine. Incomplete to Tucker. But false start on Bergeron.
4th play - Servais gets beat, Shrader gets incomplete pass away.
5th play - Over the middle to CJ, pass protection was fine
6th play - Pass protection was fine, Incomplete deep pass to Sharrod.
7th play - Tucker run for first down.
8th play - Shrader with the weird sideways toss to CJ that gets about 10. Line all went right, Shrader came back left.
9th play - Tucker run blown up, Ilaoa blown up.
10th play - Ilaoa snapped when GS was still calling out signals. Entire line moved on snap.
11th play - Ilaoa had help from Ellis on DT. TD to CJ. Probably didn't grade so great.
12th play - Pass protection was fine, incomplete pass.
13th play - Pass protection was fine, incomplete pass.
14th play - Pass protection was fine, but Shrader took off for a 6 yard run.
15th play - Shrader 4th down run. Pass protection breakdown was Davis.
16th play - Tucker screen pass. Ilaoa and Ellis got out to block. Have to watch Ellis, it's so funny.
17th play - Alford TD. I still say this in on Dakota. If Ilaoa was coached to help on the other tackle, PFF would never know.

rating on pass blocking seems a little harsh to me, especially as a young guy coming in cold in the 4th quarter. 1 bad pass blocking play, 1 kinda bad. 1 bad run blocking play.

PFF grades every player every play. And i trust them. Last I saw every NFL team subscribes to their services as well as almost 100 college teams.

 

[syrBossHogg]

The outlook of thee O-line group has done a complete 180 in the past year. What I love is most of this crew can be back next year, granted attrition always happens but there are enough guys there that are getting some solid coaching. Should never have situations like the past two seasons again

 

[Cuseregular]

I don't follow any other teams closely enough to know the answer to this. WTAF. Does every team have its OL get so badly hurt every frigging season? If not, I would love to see the S&C reviewed this offseason, personnel and techniques.

the answer to your question is yes sure does to an extent, any team I've been involved with. Seems we're on the high side of attrition but, yeah, the OL is just a brutal position to play. Was part of the reason when I had a choice back in the day I stopped playing OL as soon as possible and stuck with DL.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

So, looking at the roster, we don't have any obvious candidates in reserve to play on the interior. With Bleich, Vet, and Tisdale all out -- we've pulled Ialoa into the first unit. There's nobody else.

So, interesting question. Would they consider using Elmore as a "break glass in case of emergency" OG, considering he started there a significant portion of last year?

Hoping that at least one of Red / Bradford / Cruz can provide depth at OT down the home stretch.

I think that he has lost too much weight to be effective on the O line this year.

 

[721Comstock]

EXACTLY like being married, no?

FIFY.

Mrs 721's memory is occasionally a little suspect..

... EXCEPT - when it comes to remembering any FFF-ups, insults, mistakes, etc. by Yours Truly -
She's got a 5 TB hard drive with multiple redundant backups set aside specifically for all of that, apparently.

 

[Cuse'91]

Berg-Ellis-Ilaoa-Davis-Servais
Is our best bet, imo.
Added bonus is that Josh is our starting C next year; better to get him some starts under his belt, and build rapport with GS.

 

[Scooch]

I don't follow any other teams closely enough to know the answer to this. WTAF. Does every team have its OL get so badly hurt every frigging season? If not, I would love to see the S&C reviewed this offseason, personnel and techniques.

I'm a Patriots fan, and our OL has been a M*A*S*H unit since game 1 (and terrible to boot). I think the issues are:

1) OL is a physically grueling position to begin with. These guys are always hurt, the question is whether they're too hurt to play.

2) Historically we've brought in OLmen that need time to develop physically. We also tend to press these guys into service before they're ready. Not surprising that we see guys get hurt playing ACC DLmen that are bigger and stronger.

3) Historically we've had poor OL depth. I suspect we play guys who are banged up more than some other programs, because we quickly run out of better options. And those guys are more likely to get even more hurt once they're physically compromised (seems like this has been the case for Bleich, as an example).

I think it's unlikely there's something fundamentally wrong with our techniques or S&C. I think the injuries are (a) inevitable, and (b) exacerbated by items #2 an #3.

 

[javadoc]

I'm a Patriots fan, and our OL has been a M*A*S*H unit since game 1 (and terrible to boot). I think the issues are:

1) OL is a physically grueling position to begin with. These guys are always hurt, the question is whether they're too hurt to play.

2) Historically we've brought in OLmen that need time to develop physically. We also tend to press these guys into service before they're ready. Not surprising that we see guys get hurt playing ACC DLmen that are bigger and stronger.

3) Historically we've had poor OL depth. I suspect we play guys who are banged up more than some other programs, because we quickly run out of better options. And those guys are more likely to get even more hurt once they're physically compromised (seems like this has been the case for Bleich, as an example).

I think it's unlikely there's something fundamentally wrong with our techniques or S&C. I think the injuries are (a) inevitable, and (b) exacerbated by items #2 an #3.

Thx for the feedback.

 

[AngryOtto]

Berg-Ellis-Ilaoa-Davis-Servais
Is our best bet, imo.
Added bonus is that Josh is our starting C next year; better to get him some starts under his belt, and build rapport with GS.

I prefer Sevasis at C. I’m hoping either Red or Bradford can step in at RT with a week of Prep. Run and passing game seems better with Servais at C.
All the injuries clearly shows we need to have substantial numbers of OL on the roster each year.

 

[tep624]

That Cuse has played 8 different OL in non-garbage time (Bergeron, Bleich, Ellis, Vet, Ilaoa, Servais, Dakota, Tis) or that the OL has been mostly competent this season, despite the injuries and shuffling of the deck.

I was one of the few who defended Cavanaugh - boy was I wrong.

Just to be fair - Cav took a lot of flack, some deserved, some not. The OL unit he inherited was a train wreck and some of the guys he inherited that look more competent on the line this year (Servais, D. Davis) definitely declined while he was here. However, my understanding was that Ryan Alexander was not on him. Also, the class including Cruz and Ellis was recruited by him. Ellis looks like he's going to be a stud at Guard so far from that class. So it was a mixed bag with him.

 

[tep624]

Berg-Ellis-Ilaoa-Davis-Servais
Is our best bet, imo.
Added bonus is that Josh is our starting C next year; better to get him some starts under his belt, and build rapport with GS.

I really hope we don't have to start Ilaoa. There's a big dropoff between him and Servais. He's ok in spot duty if someone has to sub out for a play or two. He misses blocking assignments and his snaps lack consistency. Hopeful we can see Red or Bradford at RT (If they are ready).

 

[Cuse'91]

I really hope we don't have to start Ilaoa. There's a big dropoff between him and Servais. He's ok in spot duty if someone has to sub out for a play or two. He misses blocking assignments and his snaps lack consistency. Hopeful we can see Red or Bradford at RT (If they are ready).

I'm fine with that if there is a good option at RT. But, remember how comical Servais' snaps were when he was forced to center on short notice? A full week, plus a bye, working with Garrett might settle Josh down on the snap issues. A lot different when you are the starter, and getting the full week of practice leading into the game, imo. And, unless something big changes, he is our starting center for next season.

 

[RF2044]

I really hope we don't have to start Ilaoa. There's a big dropoff between him and Servais. He's ok in spot duty if someone has to sub out for a play or two. He misses blocking assignments and his snaps lack consistency. Hopeful we can see Red or Bradford at RT (If they are ready).

That's what it all comes down to -- is the five-man unit better shifting Servais to RT and playing Ialoa?

Or keeping Servais inside and bringing in a new [and generally inexperienced] guy to play RT?

 

[tep624]

That's what it all comes down to -- is the five-man unit better shifting Servais to RT and playing Ialoa?

Or keeping Servais inside and bringing in a new [and generally inexperienced] guy to play RT?

Fingers crossed on Bradford and Red

 

[orangepassion]

PFF grades every player every play. And i trust them. Last I saw every NFL team subscribes to their services as well as almost 100 college teams.

Do they factor in penalties?

 

[Chip]

PFF grades every player every play. And i trust them. Last I saw every NFL team subscribes to their services as well as almost 100 college teams.

You should watch the plays and see if you agree. He only played 9 minutes.

 

[rrlbees]

You should watch the plays and see if you agree. He only played 9 minutes.

he had 19 snaps for the VT game. That’s what he was graded on. 7 run plays and 12 pass plays. He’s had 105 snaps for the season.

 

[RandomGuy]

Makes you wonder if Ilaoa was the one penalized by PFF on that last play.

I decided to watch, because I'm not sure how much I trust these PFF ratings. And because I have some time in my busy workday.

Ilaoa comes in with 9:29 left in the 4th quarter.

1st play - Shrader sacked, Bergeron gets beat.
2nd play - Ilaoa gets beat by DT, but Shrader side steps, delayed blitzing LB in his face, incomplete.
3rd play - Pass protection was fine. Incomplete to Tucker. But false start on Bergeron.
4th play - Servais gets beat, Shrader gets incomplete pass away.
5th play - Over the middle to CJ, pass protection was fine
6th play - Pass protection was fine, Incomplete deep pass to Sharrod.
7th play - Tucker run for first down.
8th play - Shrader with the weird sideways toss to CJ that gets about 10. Line all went right, Shrader came back left.
9th play - Tucker run blown up, Ilaoa blown up.
10th play - Ilaoa snapped when GS was still calling out signals. Entire line moved on snap.
11th play - Ilaoa had help from Ellis on DT. TD to CJ. Probably didn't grade so great.
12th play - Pass protection was fine, incomplete pass.
13th play - Pass protection was fine, incomplete pass.
14th play - Pass protection was fine, but Shrader took off for a 6 yard run.
15th play - Shrader 4th down run. Pass protection breakdown was Davis.
16th play - Tucker screen pass. Ilaoa and Ellis got out to block. Have to watch Ellis, it's so funny.
17th play - Alford TD. I still say this in on Dakota. If Ilaoa was coached to help on the other tackle, PFF would never know.

rating on pass blocking seems a little harsh to me, especially as a young guy coming in cold in the 4th quarter. 1 bad pass blocking play, 1 kinda bad. 1 bad run blocking play.

Tisdale gave up an instant BAD sack vs. RUTGERS(no contest). Undoubtedly scored a -2. Destroyed his entire pass pro grade for that game. Thats how it works.

Bergeron had some false starts vs. VT. That hurt his team. His overall grade was Poor for VT because of that. Doesnt matter if he's our best. No tolerance for hurting the team in the grading process.

 

[rrlbees]

Do they factor in penalties?

dont know for sure but they do list penalties for each player each game so if I had to guess I’d say they do factor in somehow.

 

[RandomGuy]

Do they factor in penalties?

Absolutely. Thats a fail. Complete fail. How quickly someone is beaten is also factored. If you are destroyed, or are the destroyer? Reflected. Its exactly how our coaches grade the players.

One NFL oline coach said that of 900 plays pff reviewed, they got all but a dozen or 2 correct. If that's correct? Have to think about 97% accuracy, or if you prefer to be extremely doubtful? 90-95% is very reasonable.

 

[RandomGuy]

PFF grades every player every play. And i trust them. Last I saw every NFL team subscribes to their services as well as almost 100 college teams.

Yepp. And the grades are public, so the other teams already have an idea of likely weaknesses before they even run the film. (For WR/DBs it grades every match up, for every guy they've faced all year. Extremely useful)

Soo... for me it will be interesting if Serv is at RT all game, or if, say, Cruz gets some run.