I hope Frank can learn to shoot

[AZOrange]

You cant learn how to shoot. Everyone who has ever played the game knows who the shooters are by 8th grade. Sure he can get better become maybe get a decent shot but he will never be a shooter if he isnt already.

What? How do 8th graders get there? Are you really saying G didn't learn how to shoot here?

 

[kcsu]

What? How do 8th graders get there? Are you really saying G didn't learn how to shoot here?

What im saying is that there are very few pure shooters and that you can see who they are early. It is the same in many sports. Some kids are naturals at swimming, hitting a ball, etc.. most have to learn. G has gotten better but i would not consider him a shooter. Yes he is good but he isnt a shooter. The coon dog was a shooter but for some reason and i think it has a ton to do with bulking up he has lost it for the most part. Howard has a nice stroke looks solid and he will improve to the point that he needs to be covered but i doubt that he will ever be known as a shooter.

Over the years we have had a few shooters at Syracuse that i have had the pleasure to watch. Pure shooters. Not Pearl, not Sherman, not Bug Williams, not MCW, not Ennis, not many even though these guys all become decent shots they were never "shooters" Jimmy Lee, Sweet D, Leo and his son, Eric D, Melo, James, and of course the greatest of all time Gmac. Actually i think that the best pure shooter. So yes Howard has a chance to elevate his shot to a Sherman level but he will never be confused with a pure shooter. Capiche?

 

[tbonezone]

shumpert was a much better shooter than mcnamera. he and janulis don't make the list ?

 

[AZOrange]

What im saying is that there are very few pure shooters and that you can see who they are early. It is the same in many sports. Some kids are naturals at swimming, hitting a ball, etc.. most have to learn. G has gotten better but i would not consider him a shooter. Yes he is good but he isnt a shooter. The coon dog was a shooter but for some reason and i think it has a ton to do with bulking up he has lost it for the most part. Howard has a nice stroke looks solid and he will improve to the point that he needs to be covered but i doubt that he will ever be known as a shooter.

Over the years we have had a few shooters at Syracuse that i have had the pleasure to watch. Pure shooters. Not Pearl, not Sherman, not Bug Williams, not MCW, not Ennis, not many even though these guys all become decent shots they were never "shooters" Jimmy Lee, Sweet D, Leo and his son, Eric D, Melo, James, and of course the greatest of all time Gmac. Actually i think that the best pure shooter. So yes Howard has a chance to elevate his shot to a Sherman level but he will never be confused with a pure shooter. Capiche?

Let me ask you...game on the line who are you taking for a last second 3? Cooney or G?

 

[iommi]

Let me ask you...game on the line who are you taking for a last second 3? Cooney or G?

I'd want G, Malachi and Lydon shooting that shot before Cooney.

 

[kcsu]

shumpert was a much better shooter than mcnamera. he and janulis don't make the list ?

Good additions yes and im sure that there are a few more as well

 

[urban96]

Howard was somewhat competent as a scorer/ shooter in high school. I'm optimistic he will at least be a threat next year, so defenders will not be able to just sag off him. He has to work on his defense too.

I think Howards missing shot is a mental thing. Still making the adjustment from HS to college.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I think Howards missing shot is a mental thing. Still making the adjustment from HS to college.

49 shots. Cooney has 338, I think.

 

[tbonezone]

yes it's tough to find a rhythm when you only play spot minutes and are constantly in fear of being yanked next miss.

 

[br801]

yes it's tough to find a rhythm when you only play spot minutes and are constantly in fear of being yanked next miss.

He gets yanked more often for his defensive lapses than the occasional shot that JB doesn't want him taking.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Wouldn't it make sense that Frank can't make anything in practice? Obviously JB doesn't like his defense as well. Are there other coaches who give you a green light in games if you can't make anything in practice? (Honest question).

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Z was actually decent shooter his senior year. At least a clutch shooter.



Give an "A" to 'Z"

He was always a good shooter. #1 in the county all time when he graduated. Just preferred to pass.

 

[tbonezone]

Wouldn't it make sense that Frank can't make anything in practice? Obviously JB doesn't like his defense as well. Are there other coaches who give you a green light in games if you can't make anything in practice? (Honest question).

and are there not coaches also who sit your a$$ down after 2 for 30 ?

 

[SoBeCuse]

and are there not coaches also who sit your a$$ down after 2 for 30 ?

I hear you but we have no other options. Kaleb Joseph is not an option. You can't have Frank in there for Cooney for too long either because they will sag off of him and clog things up even more.

 

[br801]

I hear you but we have no other options. Kaleb Joseph is not an option. You can't have Frank in there for Cooney for too long either because they will sag off of him and clog things up even more.

That's correct. Right now Howard takes away far more than he giveth, more so than Cooney even when he is in an offensive funk. Not sure why so many here can't grasp JB's reasoning on this.

 

[jdubs30]

Howard always shows flashes with 1 drive a game where he makes a smooth layup. The offense is there -- he's just gun-shy. After Atlantis it took Lydon 3 months to start shooting and he was playing 30 minutes a game and didn't have a quick hook.

 

[tbonezone]

"Kaleb Joseph is not an option."

really ? not worse? with eligibility left no less. well then please define not worse.

 

[Ghost]

That's correct. Right now Howard takes away far more than he giveth, more so than Cooney even when he is in an offensive funk. Not sure why so many here can't grasp JB's reasoning on this.

Stop bashing Frank Howard!

JB is increasing his minutes over the cupcake portion of the schedule because he takes away more than he gives. That seems like strange reasoning by JB, but okay.

 

[SoBeCuse]

"Kaleb Joseph is not an option."

really ? not worse? with eligibility left no less. well then please define not worse.

Dude, he couldn't even bring the ball up. Watching him trying to handle the ball and play D has been the most uneasy I have felt ever watching a college player here or anywhere. My guess is that the staff felt similarly so they shut him down. The right move.

 

[br801]

Stop bashing Frank Howard!

JB is increasing his minutes over the cupcake portion of the schedule because he takes away more than he gives. That seems like strange reasoning by JB, but okay.

You do realize JB sees him in practice every day, right? He's a developing freshman. Is it so far-fetched to imagine that he might be improving and that JB is gaining marginally more trust in him?

 

[Ghost]

You do realize JB sees him in practice every day, right? He's a developing freshman. Is it so far-fetched to imagine that he might be improving and that JB is gaining marginally more trust in him?

Either way, kindly refrain from bashing Frank Howard.

I know, but it seems unlikely considering JB's statements that players do not get tired that he would be playing someone who gives away FAR more than he provides. It just feels illogical.

 

[NineOneSeven]

You do realize JB sees him in practice every day, right? He's a developing freshman. Is it so far-fetched to imagine that he might be improving and that JB is gaining marginally more trust in him?

All I know is howard is a significantly better playmaker than Cooney and by the time he's done here that gap will just be lengthened

 

[NineOneSeven]

I hear you but we have no other options. Kaleb Joseph is not an option. You can't have Frank in there for Cooney for too long either because they will sag off of him and clog things up even more.

To an extent. I also think this is far overblown. How clogged up is the lane when G, Richardson, and Lydon are all shooters and still on the perimeter? Again... It's an overexaggerated reason Imo.

Frank is almost never "dared" to shoot because we rarely just have a PG dribbling alone up top, everything is off screens where, if you're watching, howard excels. I understand why Cooney plays because yes, he has shown the ability to make shots (although 27% in his last ten games). But to say our offense is worse with howard in? Show me the stats. My eyes see something different.

And no, Frank wasn't overly great out there today, and I'll leave it at that.

 

[SoBeCuse]

To an extent. I also think this is far overblown. How clogged up is the lane when G, Richardson, and Lydon are all shooters and still on the perimeter? Again... It's an overexaggerated reason Imo.

Frank is almost never "dared" to shoot because we rarely just have a PG dribbling alone up top, everything is off screens where, if you're watching, howard excels. I understand why Cooney plays because yes, he has shown the ability to make shots (although 27% in his last ten games). But to say our offense is worse with howard in? Show me the stats. My eyes see something different.

And no, Frank wasn't overly great out there today, and I'll leave it at that.

All valid points. I just don't want to get into a huge dissertation (done that enough) about the offensive scheme, guard depth, people playing out of position, etc. All that factors in as well. Maybe after the season.

 

[br801]

All I know is howard is a significantly better playmaker than Cooney and by the time he's done here that gap will just be lengthened

When did I ever claim Cooney is a better playmaker than Howard? Cooney is a pure 2 and Howard is a pure 1.