I hope Lataviuos Murray runs it down Marrone throat

[Millhouse]

http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play.html?gameid=12212014_BUF@OAK&playid=201412210133660

lighting 7% on fire

that 7% difference means going for it would've been 20% better than punting. (42-35)/35

 

[CIL]

Just shows how tough it is to win without competent QB play, regardless of "system", just ask Chip Kelly. I mean, he is Kyle fuggin Orton.

 

[Millhouse]

Just shows how tough it is to win without competent QB play, regardless of "system", just ask Chip Kelly. I mean, he is Kyle fuggin Orton.

did you watch the game?

 

[Alsacs]

did you watch the game?

Oakland's D got like five 3 and outs in the first half. After the first drive Orton sucked in the first half until the last drive before the half.
Darius injury hurt the Buffalo D, but Orton was not good yesterday. His numbers were inflated with those 2 2nd half TDs when Buffalo was chucking every down and no hold was called on Tuck on that last TD.

Buffalo is a top 15 QB anyway from being a playoff team, a top 10 QB from challenging NE in the AFC East and Super Bowl.

 

[Millhouse]

Oakland's D got like five 3 and outs in the first half. After the first drive Orton sucked in the first half until the last drive before the half.
Darius injury hurt the Buffalo D, but Orton was not good yesterday. His numbers were inflated with those 2 2nd half TDs when Buffalo was chucking every down and no hold was called on Tuck on that last TD.

Buffalo is a top 15 QB anyway from being a playoff team, a top 10 QB from challenging NE in the AFC East and Super Bowl.

he was getting annihilated all game. i don't know how anyone could watch that particular game and be more convinced that orton is the problem. for once i actually agree with marrone here

95% of the time, i'm on the it's all the QB side but that game was the 5%, that's how bad the oline was

 

[Upstate]

It's interesting that DM passed on Nassib to draft Manuel, who has been MIA. And Nassib was one of the best QBs of the entire preseason. Coughlin loves Ryan as the #2.

 

[CIL]

did you watch the game?

I did. I'm not a Bills fan so I'm pretty unbiased as to the results of the game. It was only the second Bills game I watched all year, so I don't pretend to be an expert on all things Buffalo Bills either.

IMO, the Bills offense is severely limited by poor QB play and mediocre OL play. Orton's throws were pretty bad against Oakland. He was quite inaccurate with several throws and the ones that were caught weren't always thrown to the best of places. His first pick to Woodson was an awful decision. You just don't try to make that throw to someone like Chandler. He's not exactly Jimmy Graham out there -- when he's covered, he's really covered.

I think someone earlier in the thread was disappointed for Hackett not calling more downfield throws, however, Oakland played a ton of 2 man under defense in this game. They pretty much tries to take away the deep ball and force Orton to make accurate throws in the intermediate game against man coverage. Again, really not his strength. Orton can push the ball downfield pretty well but really struggles with pre snap reads and that level of the passing game.

Buffalo really needs to invest in a couple of offensive lineman as well. They failed to get push in the ground game and didn't hold up the best against a mediocre Oakland pass rush. I'm not sure if injuries (again, not a Bills guy) have set in with that unit, but they looked pretty poor there. I do know someone who works in the Bills organization, and I believe they are looking to address this issue.

I too hated the 3rd and 1 call by Hackett. The field was crappy, so there's no guarantee those quick routes are going to really work out there. Brutal call compounded by Orton's brutal throw. I have no idea why he didn't add some touch on that throw either.

On a side note, I know Buffalo is supposed to have all these weapons on offense, but the only guy I saw with any electricity out on offense was Watkins. Woods really struggled to get any separation out there and I really don't see any difference between him and Hogan. Jackson is getting long in the tooth and Spiller is made up of balsa wood.

Speaking of Watkins, I know much has been made of ODB, Evans, etc. However, if Sammy had better QB play I'd wager to say that he'd be offensive rookie of the year. There was an incomplete deep ball to Sammy maybe early 4th quarter where Orton overthrew him by a few yards. It looked like the db had great coverage on him until Sammy hit his second gear and pulled away from both the corner and the over the top help. Missed 6 there. It reminded me of the TD in the Dome last year against RIshard Anderson I think. Kid is special.

 

[CIL]

It's interesting that DM passed on Nassib to draft Manuel, who has been MIA. And Nassib was one of the best QBs of the entire preseason. Coughlin loves Ryan as the #2.

Wasn't Marrone's call. In fact, it has led to some internal issues within the team I believe.

 

[Millhouse]

I did. I'm not a Bills fan so I'm pretty unbiased as to the results of the game. It was only the second Bills game I watched all year, so I don't pretend to be an expert on all things Buffalo Bills either.

IMO, the Bills offense is severely limited by poor QB play and mediocre OL play. Orton's throws were pretty bad against Oakland. He was quite inaccurate with several throws and the ones that were caught weren't always thrown to the best of places. His first pick to Woodson was an awful decision. You just don't try to make that throw to someone like Chandler. He's not exactly Jimmy Graham out there -- when he's covered, he's really covered.

I think someone earlier in the thread was disappointed for Hackett not calling more downfield throws, however, Oakland played a ton of 2 man under defense in this game. They pretty much tries to take away the deep ball and force Orton to make accurate throws in the intermediate game against man coverage. Again, really not his strength. Orton can push the ball downfield pretty well but really struggles with pre snap reads and that level of the passing game.

Buffalo really needs to invest in a couple of offensive lineman as well. They failed to get push in the ground game and didn't hold up the best against a mediocre Oakland pass rush. I'm not sure if injuries (again, not a Bills guy) have set in with that unit, but they looked pretty poor there. I do know someone who works in the Bills organization, and I believe they are looking to address this issue.

I too hated the 3rd and 1 call by Hackett. The field was crappy, so there's no guarantee those quick routes are going to really work out there. Brutal call compounded by Orton's brutal throw. I have no idea why he didn't add some touch on that throw either.

On a side note, I know Buffalo is supposed to have all these weapons on offense, but the only guy I saw with any electricity out on offense was Watkins. Woods really struggled to get any separation out there and I really don't see any difference between him and Hogan. Jackson is getting long in the tooth and Spiller is made up of balsa wood.

Speaking of Watkins, I know much has been made of ODB, Evans, etc. However, if Sammy had better QB play I'd wager to say that he'd be offensive rookie of the year. There was an incomplete deep ball to Sammy maybe early 4th quarter where Orton overthrew him by a few yards. It looked like the db had great coverage on him until Sammy hit his second gear and pulled away from both the corner and the over the top help. Missed 6 there. It reminded me of the TD in the Dome last year against RIshard Anderson I think. Kid is special.

i thought the offensive line was so pitiful in every way, i don't think there's much to say about anything else for that game

i wish they were mediocre. marrone has been very disappointing here. i fully expected him to be a meathead moron on 4th down. but he is supposed to be good at helping fat guys push people

 

[Full_Rebar]

It's interesting that DM passed on Nassib to draft Manuel, who has been MIA. And Nassib was one of the best QBs of the entire preseason. Coughlin loves Ryan as the #2.

Best thing to happen to both of their NFL careers in my opinion. They have a better chance to survive independently- especially Nassib who was not ready to be a starter last year.

 

[Rocco]

I understand Murray was coming off knee surgery and a crowded backfield yet he would've had to sit out a year so there's that. And he would've been the best back on the team, so there's that to. Murray was from Syracuse and wanted to come back home so don't tell me anybody wanted to do right by the kid and lastly, Marrone and his relationships; good lord, I'm not going to take players from pedophile state because Bill is my friend, I'm not going to let an NFL caliber back transfer back home because George is my friend. Makes me wonder if marone recruited against any of his 'friends'.

Bitter? Nah, Marrone can't lose enough for me because I don't like the guy.

Losing at the half to the raiders lol.

You should probably come to grips with your hatred of Doug. He did more to help this program; not the other way around.

 

[kirbivore]

The Chiefs just had to beat the Raiders too, but they lost @ Oakland. That loss will likely make a difference as to whether they make the playoffs or not.

The close losses this season to @ Houston, KC, @ Denver, and @ Oakland are coming back to haunt the Bills now.

Also, the last 4 game stretch of the schedule is brutal this year (did the SU Athletic Department schedule this?). Buffalo had a game @ Denver, then back home against Green Bay, then fly out to west @ Oakland, then fly all the way back east to play @ New England to end the season. The only way it could have been worse is if they had played @ Seattle instead of @ Oakland.

Even if they had beat Oakland yesterday, they still would have needed to be beat New England this coming week-end and get a lot of help to make the playoffs. They need to keep the defense together and improve on offense this off season and they can make a run next season.

An extra kick in the gut will be if Denver loses tonight. That would clinch the #1 seed for New England which means in that scenario the Patriots would be resting guys in week 17.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

The refs helped the Bills in fact. The Tuck phantom hold and the missed hit to Carr's head.

Raiders conspiracy > Bills conspiracy

neither of which is a legitimate conspiracy. The only recent legit funny business of note is the nfl's decision to sweep spygate under the rug. Brady and co still have 0 super bowls without an *

 

[Scooch]

neither of which is a legitimate conspiracy. The only recent legit funny business of note is the nfl's decision to sweep spygate under the rug. Brady and co still have 0 super bowls without an *

Eh, in the 8 seasons since the Pats were sanctioned for doing what was perfectly "legal" until 2 games prior to said sanctioning they've been to 2 Super Bowls, 4 AFC Championship games, and won 7 division titles. And they may have the inside track to a 5th AFCCG and 3rd SB appearance. So I can't really complain.

BB was certainly guilty of arrogance and hubris. But whatever.

 

[Scotty44]

Oakland's D got like five 3 and outs in the first half. After the first drive Orton sucked in the first half until the last drive before the half.
Darius injury hurt the Buffalo D, but Orton was not good yesterday. His numbers were inflated with those 2 2nd half TDs when Buffalo was chucking every down and no hold was called on Tuck on that last TD.

Buffalo is a top 15 QB anyway from being a playoff team, a top 10 QB from challenging NE in the AFC East and Super Bowl.

Good luck finding one of those Top 15 or Top 10 QB's though. They don't grow on trees and if you draft one be prepared to go through 2 or 3 years of growing pains and having the kid take his lumps (ie Tannehill, Kaepernick, Dalton, RGIII...etc.) Luck is a once in a generation type player and Wilson went to a team where they ask him to do next to nothing, those are exceptions not the rule. And once a team gets one of those guys they almost never get rid of them when they still have some gas in the tank (Brees is the only modern era example of a "quality" QB being on the open market I can think of off the top of my head.) All joking aside Buffalo should look at someone like Mark Sanchez and have him compete with EJ next year then draft a rookie QB in the middle rounds and hope to hit paydirt.

 

[Alsacs]

Good luck finding one of those Top 15 or Top 10 QB's though. They don't grow on trees and if you draft one be prepared to go through 2 or 3 years of growing pains and having the kid take his lumps (ie Tannehill, Kaepernick, Dalton, RGIII...etc.) Luck is a once in a generation type player and Wilson went to a team where they ask him to do next to nothing, those are exceptions not the rule. And once a team gets one of those guys they almost never get rid of them when they still have some gas in the tank (Brees is the only modern era example of a "quality" QB being on the open market I can think of off the top of my head.) All joking aside Buffalo should look at someone like Mark Sanchez and have him compete with EJ next year then draft a rookie QB in the middle rounds and hope to hit paydirt.

RG III and Cutler will be traded this offseason and Hoyer will be a FA. Both of them would make Buffalo a playoff team.

 

[Scotty44]

RG III and Cutler will be traded this offseason and Hoyer will be a FA. Both of them would make Buffalo a playoff team.

Hoyer sucks. RGIII is going no place the owner loves him. And Cutler is a train wreck. If he can't play well in Chicago with all those weapons and a pro bowl team (on offense at least) in Chicago he will be a disaster anywhere else. Cutler's best days are behind him.

 

[Millhouse]

It's interesting that DM passed on Nassib to draft Manuel, who has been MIA. And Nassib was one of the best QBs of the entire preseason. Coughlin loves Ryan as the #2.

the bills weren't looking for a #2

 

[Scooch]

the bills weren't looking for a #2

And yet they certainly found a #2.

Bu-dunt-dunt.

 

[Millhouse]

couple of gifs somebody made of the bills blocking. oooof

http://www.gfycat.com/LittleVeneratedGharial

http://www.gfycat.com/HoarseDetailedEquine

http://gfycat.com/EnchantingUnfortunateDonkey

 

[GoSU96]

couple of gifs somebody made of the bills blocking. oooof

http://www.gfycat.com/LittleVeneratedGharial

http://www.gfycat.com/HoarseDetailedEquine

http://gfycat.com/EnchantingUnfortunateDonkey

Urbik sucks. There's a reason they played a 5th round rookie OT at OG ahead of him as long as they did.

 

[Upstate]

the bills weren't looking for a #2

And they got a #4. Bravo.

 

[Millhouse]

Urbik sucks. There's a reason they played a 5th round rookie OT at OG ahead of him as long as they did.

there's a reason urbik's back in the lineup. the guys they drafted and signed were horrible

richardson and kuondijo were so horrible that they make seantrel henderson look like a bright spot

i thought they could at least get the o line right. whaley stinks drafting offensive players. the only way he can get anyone good on offense is to overpay

 

[GoSU96]

there's a reason urbik's back in the lineup. the guys they drafted and signed were horrible

richardson and kuondijo were so horrible that they make seantrel henderson look like a bright spot

i thought they could at least get the o line right. whaley stinks drafting offensive players. the only way he can get anyone good on offense is to overpay

They are all rookies.

This staff has proven they can coach up offensive linemen.

 

[Millhouse]

They are all rookies.

This staff has proven they can coach up offensive linemen.

chris williams wasn't