I really like this new approach of finding a guy who can throw and letting him do that

[JimBoston]

McCord is a once in a decade (maybe more) QB. It is rare for a starting top P2 QB with McCord's stats to transfer. And, he was fully developed when he showed up at Syracuse. Next year, the offense won't look anything like it does this year.

 

[Millhouse]

Agreed with a good chunk of your first post. However, several changes in the collegiate landscape have allowed this to happen.

1. Exponential growth and usage of transfer portal. The number of players now available via portal has increased by a factor of close to 10 since 2020. Getting a guy like McCord was simply close to impossible 4-5 years ago. Title contending starting QBs just didn’t really happen.

2. NIL opportunities / budget increasing at Syracuse. School finally competing like peer level schools with regards to NIL opportunity and use of it. Brown’s staff couldn’t have been assembled a few years ago. Didn’t have the means.

3. QB that can actually handle the RPO game. McCord is one of the most cerebral college QBs playing. There is very little that a defense can throw at him that would rattle him. Tommy DiVito is a lower tier NFL WB talent. I don’t think he’d be able to handle this offense at the same level McCord is.

4. Heavy use of motion by Nixon. This is a growing trend in football, and one of the few that has worked its way down from the pro game to college game. It allows for a few things: confused defensive secondary assignments, allows QBs greater transparency into defensive coverages, and creates match up issues (TE of LB / S, HB of LB).

Hawaii lit up with a Chinese guy well before all this

 

[Millhouse]

McCord is a once in a decade (maybe more) QB. It is rare for a starting top P2 QB with McCord's stats to transfer. And, he was fully developed when he showed up at Syracuse. Next year, the offense won't look anything like it does this year.

The per pass numbers say he isn't.

People here are gobsmacked because 90% of the games they watch are a team whose best QB recruit threw the ball 47 times in high school

 

[Millhouse]

Hawaii lit up with a Chinese guy well before all this

25 years ago, the board talked about how dusty Bonner was better than anyone we could ever get

 

[anglerman]

25 years of warnings about northeastern gym coaches and Chuck and duck and run and stop the run from guys in Charles Way jerseys with lipitor drips notwithstanding, this newfangled approach of finding qbs who can throw better than they can run and letting them do that seems to be working

If Brown has told us this what he was going to do, i'd have been on board

I still didn't think he's great at a lot of the small details but I'm not that fussy. This stupid sport destroys brains and creates a self contained perpetual terrarium ecosystem of brain damaged future coaches so you didn't have to be great, you just have to be less stupid

I will take this all back if he wrings his hands about balance

What are the small details? The kid is averaging 350 yds and 3 TDs a game. What more can you expect ???

 

[anglerman]

The per pass numbers say he isn't.

People here are gobsmacked because 90% of the games they watch are a team whose best QB recruit threw the ball 47 times in high school

His over statistics are phenomenal

 

[SUFan44]

I honestly think McCord could have a Brady-like career. Not predicting championships or being the best ever, moreso going from 6th rounder to NFL starter. Would not surprise me.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Wake had Sam Hartman. We can get guys like that. You ain’t winning with guys who can run but only throw ducks past 10 yards.

 

[Millhouse]

What are the small details? The kid is averaging 350 yds and 3 TDs a game. What more can you expect ???

I was taking about brown, not McCord. I have no complaints about McCord.

 

[Millhouse]

Wake had Sam Hartman. We can get guys like that. You ain’t winning with guys who can run but only throw ducks past 10 yards.

He was so great in his twelve games vs SU

 

[tep624]

Funny a few months ago many here said we can only win with a running qb. Amazing what happens when we have a smart, poised, qb that’s accurate.

Well let’s be fair - we’re doing this with one of the top 5-10 QB’s in college football. If Fran hadn’t come here, McCord would be at Nebraska right now and we’d be stuck with some motley crew of QB’s that were 4th or 5th on a depth chart somewhere.

 

[SWC75]

Hawaii lit up with a Chinese guy well before all this

They said "It's not him. It's their system.".

I posted "Can we PLEASE get a system?"

Most likes I ever got.

 

[SWC75]

I honestly think McCord could have a Brady-like career. Not predicting championships or being the best ever, moreso going from 6th rounder to NFL starter. Would not surprise me.

I'm watching Red Zone right now. I expect McCord to be on it next year.

By the way, Scott Hansen is mentioning Sean Tucker's name on every play he's in and added that SU beat NC State last night.

 

[SWC75]

25 years of warnings about northeastern gym coaches and Chuck and duck and run and stop the run from guys in Charles Way jerseys with lipitor drips notwithstanding, this newfangled approach of finding qbs who can throw better than they can run and letting them do that seems to be working

If Brown has told us this what he was going to do, i'd have been on board

I still didn't think he's great at a lot of the small details but I'm not that fussy. This stupid sport destroys brains and creates a self contained perpetual terrarium ecosystem of brain damaged future coaches so you didn't have to be great, you just have to be less stupid

I will take this all back if he wrings his hands about balance

You are the new coach when the Carrier Dome opens in 1980. You look around and say "Let's run the Option!"

 

[Crusty]

I will happily bet you that he isn't

I used to think he was a 2nd to 4fh rounder.. However, given the way NFL GMs fall in love with QBs that are accurate and quick through their progressions, I think I was wrong.

 

[Millhouse]

I honestly think McCord could have a Brady-like career. Not predicting championships or being the best ever, moreso going from 6th rounder to NFL starter. Would not surprise me.

Nobody will have a Brady like career

 

[CIL]

Hawaii lit up with a Chinese guy well before all this

I agreed with the majority of your post. I think there are other dynamics beyond just throwing it all over the place that are leading to some greater success this season. Included a great QB, NIL, and use of NFL-style motion.

As to Hawaii (probably slightly offensive to Timmy Chang who’s actually Hawaiian, but I digress). Both Chang and Brennan were also very good QBs who had a few years in the NFL (Brennan suffered a brain injury in a crash and never was the same).

Jones’s teams at SMU struggled despite throwing it a lot and they were sub .500 in a weak American Conference.

Some of Hawaii’s early success could through of as “first mover” advantage. Much like the success Syracuse had recruiting African American players in the 50s or dual threat QBs in the 80s. Other schools absorbed some of the Jones’ systems, and defenses adjusted moving from a 5-2, 4-3 base scheme to the 4-2-5, 3-3-5 defenses you see today.

 

[Dinkyspond]

I'm watching Red Zone right now. I expect McCord to be on it next year.

By the way, Scott Hansen is mentioning Sean Tucker's name on ever play he's in and added that SU beat NC State last night.

I listened to Bucs radio broadcast and Gene Deckerhoff, longtime Bucs voice and former FSU voice before retiring from college gig, kept repeating Tucker was from Syracuse over and over again. I notice he always seems to mention players schools if they are from ACC members (even if FSU wants to leave). It was great to hear him say Syracuse over and over. He did his homework and noted Sean's Syracuse records too. After last night's big win and this today, it was a good weekend to be Orange.

 

[Millhouse]

I agreed with the majority of your post. I think there are other dynamics beyond just throwing it all over the place that are leading to some greater success this season. Included a great QB, NIL, and use of NFL-style motion.

As to Hawaii (probably slightly offensive to Timmy Chang who’s actually Hawaiian, but I digress). Both Chang and Brennan were also very good QBs who had a few years in the NFL (Brennan suffered a brain injury in a crash and never was the same).

Jones’s teams at SMU struggled despite throwing it a lot and they were sub .500 in a weak American Conference.

Some of Hawaii’s early success could through of as “first mover” advantage. Much like the success Syracuse had recruiting African American players in the 50s or dual threat QBs in the 80s. Other schools absorbed some of the Jones’ systems, and defenses adjusted moving from a 5-2, 4-3 base scheme to the 4-2-5, 3-3-5 defenses you see today.

We can get guys like Colt Brennan, in fact we kinda did

 

[kcsu]

We can get guys like Colt Brennan, in fact we kinda did

The frosh out of Texas looks to have good vision and a quick delivery. Maybe he steps up in a few years

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Agreed with a good chunk of your first post. However, several changes in the collegiate landscape have allowed this:

3. QB that can actually handle the RPO game. McCord is one of the most cerebral college QBs playing. There is very little that a defense can throw at him that would rattle him. Tommy DiVito is a lower tier NFL WB talent. I don’t think he’d be able to handle this offense at the same level McCord is.

4. Heavy use of motion by Nixon. This is a growing trend in football, and one of the few that has worked its way down from the pro game to college game. It allows for a few things: confused defensive secondary assignments, allows QBs greater transparency into defensive coverages, and creates match up issues (TE of LB / S, HB of LB).

Everyone smooching Milly’s butt and fundamentally, he was still off.

Nobody could spin it like Devito. But he couldn’t make a read, feel pressure, avoid, tripping over his own feet, etc. McCords pocket presense and read making (he still misses his fair share) are second to none. The fact he can spin it some helps, but he’s not an elite arm talent.

#4 is how Marrone’s last season was so good. He schemed guys open constantly.

 

[CIL]

We can get guys like Colt Brennan, in fact we kinda did

Agreed. But the reality is Brennan = Nassib. Haven’t had a lot of them. Portal changes everything, IMo

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Hawaii lit up with a Chinese guy well before all this

They were doing something new against relatively weak comp. New works for awhile. What Nixon’s running isn’t new. McCord makes it work. It’s not plug and play but it’s easier now with transfer portal.

 

[FrancoPizza]

4. Heavy use of motion by Nixon.

haven’t felt like we use it more than any other team.

 

[upperdeck]

We are doing it with good passes and guys catching the catchables.

We dont have guys running open like its 7 on air drills. We don't get much YAC either. We may find its easier to find a lesser QB but get a bit better on the WR side.

Other than a couple scramble/DB falling down plays have we had a single open wr running 2-3 steps behind a DB yet this year in 300 throws? NC st had probably 5 Sat night. Have we made a DB miss once we catch a ball? I think Meeks has muscled a couple plays for a few extra yds. But nothing has happened like the nc St kid. We dont take slants to the house, we dont run by people and we dont get wide open.

But it shows that we can scheme people into decent sized throwing windows and make the simple catch, but its hard to always go 75 on 15 plays and then push it in inside the 20 when the D compresses.

On the flip side we are also doing it without a real running game. Lots of things can get way better to compensate for a lesser QB.