I think Allen is attorcious, painful to watch the kid, just

[IthacaBarrel]

painful. Batted balls, Int's . low release, bad composure, you focking name it, he has done it. Kid may be good in practice but good lord does he suck in games. As a hired gun, we owe him nothing more than what he has shown, 2 games is enough to see it ain't worth it. Get Hunt in there, if the kid was exceptional it would be one thing, but there is no way HUNT can't perform at a similar level, just no way

It's just a question of if for HUNT. It's pretty obvious to tell that the team is behind Hunt as well.. No way can a kid come in and a month later win the team over.

When your O isn't that dynamic, play the qb that can run and make plays with his feet as well...-

I do think he was better week 2 than 1 but at this pace it will take 40 games for him to be average.

My question is not if HUNT is that bad is Loeb as well? What.

Get your head out of your arse Shafer, and your buddy Bullough ing sucked too. Good lord. Nobody has patience for this anymore

 

[Millhouse]

painful. Batted balls, Int's . low release, bad composure, you focking name it, he has done it. Kid may be good in practice but good lord does he suck in games. As a hired gun, we owe him nothing more than what he has shown, 2 games is enough to see it ain't worth it. Get Hunt in there, if the kid was exceptional it would be one thing, but there is no way HUNT can't perform at a similar level, just no way

It's just a question of if for HUNT. It's pretty obvious to tell that the team is behind Hunt as well.. No way can a kid come in and a month later win the team over.

When your O isn't that dynamic, play the qb that can run and make plays with his feet as well...-

I do think he was better week 2 than 1 but at this pace it will take 40 games for him to be average.

My question is not if HUNT is that bad is Loeb as well? What.

Get your head out of your arse Shafer, and your buddy Bullough sucked too. Good lord. Nobody has patience for this anymore

I can't believe I am cursing another generation of the bulloughs

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I can't believe I am cursing another generation of the bulloughs

What I don't understand is this, If the qb competition is/was that close then clearly HUnt should get a shot as the starter. Allen has shown nothing

 

[SmilinBob]

That's a bit of a hyperbole. Allen has a nice touch and arm so he hasn't "shown nothing". I admit his negatives right now outweigh his positives but seriously he does have tools. I do think he is over matched mentally with the play book as well.

 

[All4SU]

My question is, Who has the higher ceiling? If Allen has had three years at OK and some game experience there, and still performs at this level, maybe Hunt would elevate his game more by the experience. And he is here for two more years. I honestly don't know the answer, just wondering.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Unless you have elite O Line play, you need a kid that can make plays with his feet in the college game. Allen will be under pressure all year, I don't like what he does under pressure, hell when he isn't under pressure Mack has bruises on his back from Allen's bullet passes that keep hitting him.

 

[xc84]

painful. Batted balls, Int's . low release, bad composure, you focking name it, he has done it. Kid may be good in practice but good lord does he suck in games. As a hired gun, we owe him nothing more than what he has shown, 2 games is enough to see it ain't worth it. Get Hunt in there, if the kid was exceptional it would be one thing, but there is no way HUNT can't perform at a similar level, just no way

It's just a question of if for HUNT. It's pretty obvious to tell that the team is behind Hunt as well.. No way can a kid come in and a month later win the team over.

When your O isn't that dynamic, play the qb that can run and make plays with his feet as well...-

I do think he was better week 2 than 1 but at this pace it will take 40 games for him to be average.

My question is not if HUNT is that bad is Loeb as well? What.

Get your head out of your arse Shafer, and your buddy Bullough sucked too. Good lord. Nobody has patience for this anymore

I'm not in practices and can't say who the best qb is but I agree that watching Allen has been tough. His low throws are like watching someone skip stones across a pond as the defenders just put their hands up and make contact with the football. I've never seen so many tipped footballs.

 

[orangepassion]

painful. Batted balls, Int's . low release, bad composure, you focking name it, he has done it. Kid may be good in practice but good lord does he suck in games. As a hired gun, we owe him nothing more than what he has shown, 2 games is enough to see it ain't worth it. Get Hunt in there, if the kid was exceptional it would be one thing, but there is no way HUNT can't perform at a similar level, just no way

It's just a question of if for HUNT. It's pretty obvious to tell that the team is behind Hunt as well.. No way can a kid come in and a month later win the team over.

When your O isn't that dynamic, play the qb that can run and make plays with his feet as well...-

I do think he was better week 2 than 1 but at this pace it will take 40 games for him to be average.

My question is not if HUNT is that bad is Loeb as well? What.

Get your head out of your arse Shafer, and your buddy Bullough sucked too. Good lord. Nobody has patience for this anymore

Don't hold back, IB. Tell us how you really feel.

 

[OrangeAl]

Realistically, isn't it a stretch to expect somebody to come into preseason camp and learn the playbook, the coaches, the teammates and perform at a high level within a month? I'm not saying Allen should remain the starter, but if he does, I'm sure he's on a learning curve that will progress over these next two games.

 

[All4SU]

Realistically, isn't it a stretch to expect somebody to come into preseason camp and learn the playbook, the coaches, the teammates and perform at a high level within a month? I'm not saying Allen should remain the starter, but if he does, I'm sure he's on a learning curve that will progress over these next two games.

Learning curve, probably yes. But just the same, 12 games isn't going to fix whatever is causing so man batted down passes, and slow feet.

 

[SmilinBob]

This may have been a be careful for what you wished for type of deal. I agree A4SU, Allen is learning the playbook and I wonder if the staff was hoping we'd be ok going into the Wagner game and not have Allen struggle like he has. This goes along with something I thought about Hunt, he has been working with these receivers and some for 3 years, he has a better idea of how they like to break to the ball. Also, he had a nice chemistry with West one that doesn't seem to exist with West and Allen.

I just hope this doesn't become a thing and fills the team with foolish drama that is not needed.

 

[OrangeAggieArmy]

That's a bit of a hyperbole. Allen has a nice touch and arm so he hasn't "shown nothing". I admit his negatives right now outweigh his positives but seriously he does have tools. I do think he is over matched mentally with the play book as well.

Nice touch?? On swing passes and bubble screens, the ball comes at the receiver like a rocket. When he throws down the sideline, seemingly always into double coverage, the ball is never to the receiver's outside shoulder. At least one pick against NU was because Allen threw the ball high and behind the intended receiver. Even the long pass to Kobena against PSU was not that well thrown. Kobena had to slow down and catch the ball on his back hip. If Allen led Kobena, that would have been a TD pass. Allen may have a strong arm, but he's inaccurate, does NOT have touch, and has a lower release point than Doug Flutie.

 

[Chip]

Realistically, isn't it a stretch to expect somebody to come into preseason camp and learn the playbook, the coaches, the teammates and perform at a high level within a month? I'm not saying Allen should remain the starter, but if he does, I'm sure he's on a learning curve that will progress over these next two games.

You are right. So what you really need to assess is whether or not it's worth it to bring in that one year senior. Is the other option at QB so young that playing him could actually hurt his development? (I think that's what Marrone was thinking in 2009). Or are you loaded elsewhere, so therefore it's the last missing piece to making another run? (see Wilson, Russell, Wisconsin)

I know SU wanted to give themselves the best shot at a bowl this season. But if there's any point where we know we're going to have 7 losses, I really hope the experiment ends immediately. It's not the end of the world if it doesn't, Paulus still played after 7 losses and Nassib turned out fine. Hunt's a year older than Nassib was, and hopefully a little more prepared to run this offense. So I think it would be wise to get him as many reps as possible, should this season be bowl free.

Or we have to do it sooner, should Allen keep completing so many passes to the other team. Turnovers are killers and we have too many of them.

 

[phil77]

Maybe it wasn't as close of a competition too the coaches as some made it out to be? I don't know that is the only reason I can think of why Allen is still our QB.

Allen reminds me of the NFL version of Ryan Leaf. Million dollar arm and no football awareness


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[orangenirvana]

In my mind it has to be tough to play lights out for one program after rotting away on the bench for four straight years at another. I still don't think Allen is nearly as bad as his stats indicate.

That said, I'm a big Hunt fan. Just love his character. That final drive and how fired up he was after scoring the TD was awesome to watch. People can poo-poo it all they want, but to me that's rationalizing in the opposite direction. He was a man amongst boys.

 

[dollarbill44]

That said, I'm a big Hunt fan. Just love his character... He was a man amongst boys.

I would like to see more Hunt as well, but this last sentence is a little much.

 

[orangenirvana]

I would like to see more Hunt as well, but this last sentence is a little much.

You could be right but when I see a QB carry a pile of defenders into the end zone that's what I tend to think.

 

[dasher]

painful. Batted balls, Int's . low release, bad composure, you focking name it, he has done it. Kid may be good in practice but good lord does he suck in games. As a hired gun, we owe him nothing more than what he has shown, 2 games is enough to see it ain't worth it. Get Hunt in there, if the kid was exceptional it would be one thing, but there is no way HUNT can't perform at a similar level, just no way

It's just a question of if for HUNT. It's pretty obvious to tell that the team is behind Hunt as well.. No way can a kid come in and a month later win the team over.

When your O isn't that dynamic, play the qb that can run and make plays with his feet as well...-

I do think he was better week 2 than 1 but at this pace it will take 40 games for him to be average.

My question is not if HUNT is that bad is Loeb as well? What.

Get your head out of your arse Shafer, and your buddy Bullough sucked too. Good lord. Nobody has patience for this anymore

and it was just a few short years ago that you said that Nassib was the worst qb in syracuse history. People remember things like that. Allen may or may not be the best qb for this team. I will let the guys who see them every day in practice make the judgment. And for the record, I was hoping that Hunt would be the choice pre-season. He came here first and he has 3 years left. At least he can grow from his mistakes.

 

[k cuse]

Nice touch?? On swing passes and bubble screens, the ball comes at the receiver like a rocket. When he throws down the sideline, seemingly always into double coverage, the ball is never to the receiver's outside shoulder. At least one pick against NU was because Allen threw the ball high and behind the intended receiver. Even the long pass to Kobena against PSU was not that well thrown. Kobena had to slow down and catch the ball on his back hip. If Allen led Kobena, that would have been a TD pass. Allen may have a strong arm, but he's inaccurate, does NOT have touch, and has a lower release point than Doug Flutie.

other then the low release point you could describe Nassib the same way and everyone loved him last year.

 

[Pyle]

other then the low release point you could describe Nassib the same way and everyone loved him last year.

Nassib last year had a 62.4% completion percentage, 3749 yards, 26 TDs and 10 ints. Comparing him to Allen is like comparing Cameron Dantley to Donovan McNabb.

 

[dollarbill44]

other then the low release point you could describe Nassib the same way and everyone loved him last year.

I don't recall Nassib ever underthrowing a deep ball. He had the opposite problem.

 

[k cuse]

Nassib last year had a 62.4% completion percentage, 3749 yards, 26 TDs and 10 ints. Comparing him to Allen is like comparing Cameron Dantley to Donovan McNabb.

not comparing the two just pointing out that the difference between someone everyone loves and everyone doesnt isn that much. I to am very disappointed in Allens play so far but I'm far more disappointed in the Oline, and running backs. If Allen is as bad as everyone makes him out to be then the coaching staff much be as bad since they picked him over hunt.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Realistically, isn't it a stretch to expect somebody to come into preseason camp and learn the playbook, the coaches, the teammates and perform at a high level within a month? I'm not saying Allen should remain the starter, but if he does, I'm sure he's on a learning curve that will progress over these next two games.

Then why bother bringing him in?

 

[OrangeCrush22]

I can't wait to watch Drew Allen try and play against FSU. We're lucky VT isn't on the schedule this year. Their defense only gave up two touchdowns to Alabama.

 

[Pyle]

I can't wait to watch Drew Allen try and play against FSU. We're lucky VT isn't on the schedule this year. Their defense only gave up two touchdowns to Alabama.

I have no beef with what you said at all, except you hit one of my pet peeves and I can't let it go. Don't even bother reading if you don't want to.

Grammar police alert: It's try TO play against FSU, not try and play.

Sorry, I'll buy you a beer, I hate grammar police but that one gets me every time.