Marrone and Hackett stopped Nassib from running because they knew they had a huge talent gap behind him. Nassib learned how to get rid of the ball and that is something Dungey may never learn along with being a way better athlete than Ryan was. I like Dungeys touch and long throws better than Nassib and physically the only thing Nassib had better was a stronger arm and more mentally disciplined.
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Marrone and Hackett stopped Nassib from running because they knew they had a huge talent gap behind him. Nassib learned how to get rid of the ball and that is something Dungey may never learn along with being a way better athlete than Ryan was. I like Dungeys touch and long throws better than Nassib and physically the only thing Nassib had better was a stronger arm and more mentally disciplined.
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Very, very debatable
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I kinda want to wait to play DeVito until after those 4 stars come in. Put Tommy in now, and he's done in a year (all beat to sht).
I'm talking next year and I agree.
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I feel they should have left Mahoney in. He's probably the one SS player with a chip on his shoulder and wanted to beat him(badly?).
Still can't believe SS never gave him a scholarship after the games Mahoney started.
Still can't believe SS never gave him a scholarship after the games Mahoney started.
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The best I've ever seen Dungey was in that CMU game his Freshman year pre-cheap shot concussion. He made them look like a HS defense. He's still very good and has some flashes, but I don't think he's been as dynamic (understandably) since his Freshman year-much more hesitant
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amba alone probably won us 3 games. who's gonna step up ?
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nunes would pinwheel and then zigzag scramble thirty yards backwards and slide. classic nunes !
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Two things Nunes, RJ, Nassib have in common.
1. Each redshirted and so they had 5 years.
2. Each was significantly better their 5th year than any other year.
In their underclass years, I think Dungey is better. No matter what happens this year, I hope he's significantly better in his senior year too.
1. Each redshirted and so they had 5 years.
2. Each was significantly better their 5th year than any other year.
In their underclass years, I think Dungey is better. No matter what happens this year, I hope he's significantly better in his senior year too.
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What? Great qbs learn to avoid hits? How do they avoid hits on 15 or so planned option running plays with him as the primary runner? Please explain . Go ahead and put it on him. Its all on dino and Lewis. But nobody knows lewis, instead we know our strength coach. Yaaaaawwwnnnn...
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Not in his league? Give me a break. Nunes made plays. Robin was good in 2003 despite running an outdated offense at the time.
I don't understand why Dungey is rated so highly on this forum. He's okay, but he's the same quarterback he was as a true freshman. Stares down single receivers, would rather run and dive head-first into defenders than go through progressions, and inconsistent throwing accuracy. He's not bad but he's not beyond criticism like some here like to think.
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RJ Anderson lol.
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Not sure why.
I know passer rating and yards per attempt aren't the be-all end-all, but in this case that's what I'm using.
Last year Dungey finished 46th in the nation in passer rating (138.2) and 49th in yards per attempt (7.5). Not bad, but not exactly great.
Since 1999, here are the 10 best finishes for a Syracuse quarterback in...
Passer Rating:
1. Troy Nunes (2000) - 22nd (134.5)
2. Troy Nunes (1999) - 24th (134.9)
3. Ryan Nassib (2012) - 34th (143.3)
4. Eric Dungey (2016) - 46th (138.2)
5. Eric Dungey (2015) - 47th (136.6)
6. Greg Paulus (2009) - 48th (132.6)
7. RJ Anderson (2001) - 59th (124.2)
8. Ryan Nassib (2011) - 61st (129.9)
9. RJ Anderson (2003) - 63rd (124.1)
10. Troy Nunes (2002) - 64th (121.1)
Yards Per Attempt:
1. Troy Nunes (2000) - 5th (8.9)
2. Ryan Nassib (2012) - 23rd (8.0)
3. RJ Anderson (2001) - 31st (7.8)
4. Andrew Robinson (2007) - 35th (7.5)
5. Eric Dungey (2016) - 49th (7.5)
6. Troy Nunes (1999) - 50th (7.1)
6. Eric Dungey (2015) - 50th (7.4)
8. RJ Anderson (2003) - 58th (7.0)
9. Greg Paulus (2009) - 61st (7.1)
10. Troy Nunes (2002) - 64th (6.8)
This doesn't exactly scream "not in his league" and "you can't make an argument" to me.
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I think the reasons he puts himself at risk are tied in to his general qb skills and poor decision-making under pressure.
He can execute a pass play when he has time and is protected (and has receivers who can catch). He's proven he can run in a straight line when forced out of the pocket.
But, imo, what this guy lacks is the ability to deceive defenses and improvise when the initial play breaks down. You can't blame everything on the offensive line.
This is what I see:
1. Dungey is not a good under pressure
2. He rarely scans the field to keep the d honest before making the intended pass or for a second option if number one is not open.
3. He is not deceptive in any facet of the game: telegraphs passes, hardly disguises handoffs, fake throws are obvious, hardly ever pumpfakes (once yesterday iirc).
Weren't the option looks embarrassing in front of the 1987 team?
4. Not patient in the pocket with even modest pressure (I realize this board has discussed in length the possible reasons i.e. lack of protection, run first instincts, getting hit).
5. Just a general lack of awareness. Finding the open man, knowing when you are being chased the entire width of the field so you don't get your legged crushed by a 300 pounder, knowing when to get rid of the ball, not counting on a flag to be thrown, knowing when to slide/get out of bounds, getting your guys lined up,
6. His running also lack deception. Seems the d always knows exactly when to apply a massive hit.
Am I'm pouring it on too thick?
Maybe someone with qb experience can speak to this. I must have yelled "What is he doing?" 20 times yesterday, mostly bc I was scared for him!
He can execute a pass play when he has time and is protected (and has receivers who can catch). He's proven he can run in a straight line when forced out of the pocket.
But, imo, what this guy lacks is the ability to deceive defenses and improvise when the initial play breaks down. You can't blame everything on the offensive line.
This is what I see:
1. Dungey is not a good under pressure
2. He rarely scans the field to keep the d honest before making the intended pass or for a second option if number one is not open.
3. He is not deceptive in any facet of the game: telegraphs passes, hardly disguises handoffs, fake throws are obvious, hardly ever pumpfakes (once yesterday iirc).
Weren't the option looks embarrassing in front of the 1987 team?
4. Not patient in the pocket with even modest pressure (I realize this board has discussed in length the possible reasons i.e. lack of protection, run first instincts, getting hit).
5. Just a general lack of awareness. Finding the open man, knowing when you are being chased the entire width of the field so you don't get your legged crushed by a 300 pounder, knowing when to get rid of the ball, not counting on a flag to be thrown, knowing when to slide/get out of bounds, getting your guys lined up,
6. His running also lack deception. Seems the d always knows exactly when to apply a massive hit.
Am I'm pouring it on too thick?
Maybe someone with qb experience can speak to this. I must have yelled "What is he doing?" 20 times yesterday, mostly bc I was scared for him!
I can't like this enough... at some point in the 2nd half the coaches turned ED into the primary runner with designed runs and guess what? It worked and the offense started to click a bit and sans the dropped punt and dropped passes we would have won going away. But I'm not sure I agree with a plan that makes a kid who has proven time and time again that he can't protect himself, is one hit away from having his career ended and is also our best passer our primary RB.
It almost felt like Babers said it we aren't going to win if Dungey doesn't run anyways so might as well let him do his thing and let the chips fall. If this is the strategy going forward, I hope for the sake of Dungey's long term health he does not play against LSU, Clemson or FSU. Sadly I'm not joking, I truly am concerned for his health in those games.
