If Hunt was healthy...

[donniesyracuse]

D) Your post reeks of "I am not buying this hype".

No, I'm actually 100% in on Dungey. I was wondering if the Hunt lovers are as well.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

You could make the case Long was better than Hunt last year. Especially throwing the ball. But both got hurt.

Lots of people putting too much hope into Mahoney. He had a nice half vs a good team and is an easy kid to root for. But there is a lot of separation between him and Dungey.

Hunt was good at running the ball. Long was small, weak and was not very good. Dungey looks really good so far and Mahoney played well for a 5th string walk on, he looked as good if not better than Long last year. That's what I have seen.

 

[upperdeck]

the throws Dungey has made are on a different level than most of the throws we even had mahoney try. I think Hunt would have done pretty well in this offense and mike have run it even better , but wouldnt have been as dynamic to the team. i think at worst we would be 2-2. if dungey was clearly better why wouldnt he have started against a RI team we knew was going to be bad? dungey playing all year might make us a better team in week 6-7 not sure Hunt wouldnt have done the same in week 1-4. and if you go back and look at the LSU game there were plays that Hunt might have had good success with that Mahoney didnt. Hunt might not have been the #1 but he still wasnt worse than the #2 and we almost won with the #5

 

[orangesox44]

If my aunt had balls... I love hunt to death, great kid with a huge heart. He's out. Dungeys played very well in the limited time we've seen him, hopefully he is the future. But I know in the first half of the wake game he missed a bunch of recievers and I was worried. Since then, he has played great tho. Who really knows what would've happened if hunt stayed healthy... If somehow, he comes back next year, may the best man win the starting job.

 

[Shenexon]

First, I love Dungey and think he's going to be the best QB we've had in decades. However, I think that Lester' s offense is going to work with a variety of players, including most of our QB' s. If hunt hadn't gotten hurt he'd be the starter and we'd still be 3-1, but Dungey has given us hope of returning to national ranking whether this year or next. Hunt deserved his chance this year and for me his injury is tragic on a personal level but not on a team level. His chance was this year and sadly that opportunity is now gone. We're in the age of Dungey.

 

[Finwad32]

Dungey is my guy... Hell or highwater

 

[orangencpolice]

If Hunt was Healthy we would be 4-0. I think Hunt destroys the first three teams. Dungy gets solid run and we beat LSU with both of those guys healthy. As to next year if Hunt is approved to play why in Gods name wouldnt he be allowed to come back. He is the ing Captain of this team are you kidding me of course he comes back and he would also play a significant role.

I could be wrong but I think he transfers. Too much young talent under him.

 

[TheCusian]

Hunt was good at running the ball. Long was small, weak and was not very good. Dungey looks really good so far and Mahoney played well for a 5th string walk on, he looked as good if not better than Long last year. That's what I have seen.

Long without a broken hand or collarbone or whatever could have as much success as Mahoney. He threw two TD in the second half vs FSU.

The system held him back last year, injuries this year. Not saying he's a D1 P5 starter - but I don't think Mahoney is either.

Dungey? Sure looks that way.

 

[RF2044]

Hunt was good at running the ball. Long was small, weak and was not very good. Dungey looks really good so far and Mahoney played well for a 5th string walk on, he looked as good if not better than Long last year. That's what I have seen.

Nah. The offense sucked last year, this one is better. Long would be much better in this offense--weak arm and all--than he was in last year's. No question in my mind.

 

[orangencpolice]

2016
Dungey - Startter
Long - 2nd string
Mahoney - 3rd string
Wilson - 4th string (if he isn't transferring. From what we have heard he isn't going anywhere)
Culpepper - Redshirt

 

[orangencpolice]

who thinks Mahoney is awesome?

Long was terrible last year.

He was far from terrible. He was a Freshman that made mistakes. The Offensive line was bad. We almost lost to Villanova. I am sure he will only get better with time. He ALMOST beat Clemson.

 

[Rocco]

I would have ran for 200 yards and thrown for 250, and i'm built like Steven Clark.

Oh, so you're built like Mt Marcy?

 

[CINYer]

I just wanted to chime in...while I am not a TH supporter per se, why couldn't he do just as well as two FR QB's? I get he is not as accurate, but he is mobile and can connect on some passes. I do think we get to 3-0 with Hunt, I think we have a great chance to beat LSU with him, don't misunderstand me, I am a fan of ED and love his potential going forward, I just don't want to diminish what Hunt has given to this program. If recruits read this forum, so do current players, I for one have always wished for the best and have to believe Hunt's time in the booth had given him a better understanding of this offense; that two of our Frosh QB's have looked good at running. I am sorry that Hunt got injured, I'm glad that ED is coming back and want to see him develop into what many here feel he will become. I am also glad I got to see Mahoney and what he brings to the table, but when it's all said and done, I believe TH would have knocked the rust off, and would have had his best season this year. While not the most accurate, he would have been able to do enough with his arm, but the running game would have took off. I get a lot of people don't like TH, but don't discount the young man and the work he has put in to come back from injury and his sacrifice for this University, I for one appreciate his service and have sat through much WORSE QB play.

 

[anomander]

Dungey > Hunt

Next year.

Hunt shows why he is Captain/Team leader and moves to TE

1. Dungey
2. Long
3. Culpepper
4. Mahoney
5. Wilson

 

[Millhouse]

He was far from terrible. He was a Freshman that made mistakes. The Offensive line was bad. We almost lost to Villanova. I am sure he will only get better with time. He ALMOST beat Clemson.

He was a freshman which might explain why he was terrible. The Clemson game, are you kidding? 12-27, 82 yards, 0 td, 2 int

 

[RF2044]

He was a freshman which might explain why he was terrible. The Clemson game, are you kidding? 12-17, 82 yards, 0 td, 2 int

He was a true frosh who needed to redshirt to gain an additional year of physical maturity. That's why he wasn't READY. He wasn't terrible, he wasn't ready.

 

[Millhouse]

He was a true frosh who needed to redshirt to gain an additional year of physical maturity. That's why he wasn't READY. He wasn't terrible, he wasn't ready.

that might explain why he might not be terrible in the future. but he was then.

 

[RF2044]

that might explain why he might not be terrible in the future. but he was then.

Actually, no he wasn't.

Dungey's success runs the risk of people forgetting that true frosh generally aren't suited to play QB in college football.

And your assessment also lacks perspective in that it doesn't account for how shi--y our OL was, how broken the offensive system was, the lack of playmakers, and how Long eventually was forced to play hurt late in the season, etc. All things that might have enabled Long to have more success.

Very few backup QBs would have succeeded under those circumstances, let alone an undersized true frosh who had to blow his redshirt mid-season to help the team.

 

[RICuse44]

Huge Hunt fan given his intangibles off the field. I think he would have had more success in the offense this year than the one last year simply because this year there is an offensive system whereas last year plays were either drawn out of a hat or taken off of NCAA football 2012.

Given that, I do think Dungey is probably equal right now with a better upside. I think he was probably even close to Hunt coming out of camp, which is why they decided to burn his shirt and make him #2.

Agree with anomander. I think Hunt moves to TE (although would not completely rule out having him come in for short yardage). Dungey will be the #1. Long #2. AJ wasn't working with a whole lot last year and had some production. He would be the back up right now if he could throw. Use this year and put on weight. This lets Rex redshirt next year and makes him a redshirt freshman with true junior dungey.

 

[Millhouse]

Actually, no he wasn't.

Dungey's success runs the risk of people forgetting that true frosh generally aren't suited to play QB in college football.

And your assessment also lacks perspective in that it doesn't account for how shi--y our OL was, how broken the offensive system was, the lack of playmakers, and how Long eventually was forced to play hurt late in the season, etc. All things that might have enabled Long to have more success.

Very few backup QBs would have succeeded under those circumstances, let alone an undersized true frosh who had to blow his redshirt mid-season to help the team.

those are all great answers to the question of "why was he terrible?"

 

[RF2044]

those are all great answers to the question of "why was he terrible?"

Why did you cherry pick Louisville? How was he against Florida State?

Like I said, your assessment lacks perspective. Our offensive issues last year were systemic--a complete and utter breakdown.

If IB's hero, Zach Mahoney taught us anything last week--and apparently he didn't--it's that arm strength is perhaps the least important factor in successful QB play. Long is going to be just fine, he's got all the tools.

 

[Millhouse]

Why did you cherry pick Louisville? How was he against Florida State?

Like I said, your assessment lacks perspective. Our offensive issues last year were systemic--a complete and utter breakdown.

If IB's hero, Zach Mahoney taught us anything last week--and apparently he didn't--it's that arm strength is perhaps the least important factor in successful QB play. Long is going to be just fine, he's got all the tools.

I didn't cherry pick anything. Someone said he almost beat Clemson so I pointed out that was a terrible game. he didn't even play louisville

For the year, his qb rating was under 100. That's terrible. He had a terrible year. His offensive coordinator was terrible. The injuries were terrible. But there's no other way to describe a guy who threw twice as many ints as TDs

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Some crazy thoughts in this thread. Seriously people question whether we could have beaten Rhode Island? We still beat CMU too. Hunt torched them last year. When Dungey was in he killed CMU with his legs, Hunt's strength. After Dungey went down we still scored 7 points in the first half with Wilson. The 2nd half we sat on the ball. If Hunt was there we absolutely score more than 24 points that game. Wake would have been a tough one. They only scored 17 points so we needed to find a way to get 20. The first 13 points we scored that game came from the D or the running game, not Dungey. I don't think Hunt makes that pass to Brisley. But all Hunt had to do was get 7 points for the win. Maybe we don't win 30-17 but we likely win 20-17.

I would have a lot less hope if Hunt were QB instead. But I don't think our record would have changed.

 

[OrangePA]

Hunt played 2 series against URI. His pick was a tipped pass much like Mahoney'd at LSU. I think Hunt would be very good at running the option.

We'll never know.

Hunt might not be quick enough to run option.

And I question whether he has the kind of touch that Dungey has exhibited.

 

[RF2044]

I didn't cherry pick anything. Someone said he almost beat Clemson so I pointed out that was a terrible game. he didn't even play louisville

For the year, his qb rating was under 100. That's terrible. He had a terrible year. His offensive coordinator was terrible. The injuries were terrible. But there's no other way to describe a guy who threw twice as many ints as TDs

Sure there is--thrown to the wolves before he was ready. A guy who should have redshirted before he ever stepped onto the field to help improve his most glaring developmental need. His first start--before the wheels came off with team injuries--he accorded himself well. And he had other solid moments, like a road win against WF. But our team issues did him no favors.

Who knows what the future holds. I'm very happy that Dungey has emerged, and he seems to have the potential to be elite caliber. But I'm betting that a stronger, more physically mature and experienced Long would thrive in this system, which caters to his capabilities.