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If the Big Ten and Pac-12 get shutout of the CFB playoffs 2 years in a row the 3+5+5 should be discussed

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The Big Ten with their little pet the PAC-12 were the ones who shot down the ACC request to change determination for conference championship games.
If they get shutout 2 years in a row then they will realize championship weekend should be the best 2 teams and not these stupid inequal divisions.

This is a silver lining to watch.
 
The division alignments are completely stupid with a conference. They are pretty stupid in the NHL and NBA too. MLB and NFL are maybe necessary.
 
Scheduling wise it makes so much sense for all five conferences to play 9 games.

ACC/SEC/B1G 5+4+4
B12 9
P12 7+2+2

And they should all buck up and play 2 OOC P5 games. No reason to play G5 teams
 
I'm not sure we want this.

You want to have to beat Clemson twice to go to the playoffs/a good bowl?

I just want to lose the annual Pitt game and see teams like VT and Miami once every 3 years not every 6. FSU-Miami is the only important crossover but they don't have to play every year. The Noles should tell them to kick rocks as they see UF annually. FSU has Clemson and UF every year on the schedule they don't need to also play the U when they can get more gimmes like Duke and UNC instead.
 
I'm not sure we want this.

You want to have to beat Clemson twice to go to the playoffs/a good bowl?

I just want to lose the annual Pitt game and see teams like VT and Miami once every 3 years not every 6. FSU-Miami is the only important crossover but they don't have to play every year. The Noles should tell them to kick rocks as they see UF annually. FSU has Clemson and UF every year on the schedule they don't need to also play the U when they can get more gimmes like Duke and UNC instead.

We would only have to beat them nonce. For instance if we won out this year to get to 10-2 we would play Clemson in the ACC CG. We beat them, the playoff is possible and the NY6 is worst case. We lose to them then NY6.
 
The Big Ten with their little pet the PAC-12 were the ones who shot down the ACC request to change determination for conference championship games.
If they get shutout 2 years in a row then they will realize championship weekend should be the best 2 teams and not these stupid inequal divisions.

This is a silver lining to watch.
The Big Ten is the ringleader that stopped it. The main reason is that the BT feared it would make ti easier for ND to become a full member of ACC football - we would not have to add a 16th in order to have 15. But the ACC would not flinch at adding a Navy or Cincinnati.

3 +5 (5) is best for the ACC and Big Ten. It is best for fans, not just fans of those two leagues but all college football fans.

3+5 (5) would be best for the SEC.
 
Whatever happens I would like to see the P5 conferences adopt the same or at least a very similar scheduling system. The B1G, Big 12 and PAC 12 all play 9-game conference schedules, while the ACC and the SEC play 8-game conference schedules. In the ACC and the SEC teams in opposing divisions play against each other once every 6 years (unless they are partnered).

SU is partnered with Pitt so SU plays Pitt every year, but SU plays the other 6 Coastal teams once every 6 years. Under that system a home and an away with North Carolina takes 12 years. The same is true in the SEC across divisions, so a home and an away between Georgia and Alabama or Florida and Alabama etc takes 12 years. That's 2 games in 12 years unless those teams meet in the conference championship. The Olympics takes place 3 times in 12 years, so does the World Cup. The 8-game conference schedule is not good for college football fans. We will feel this a week from this Saturday when most ACC and SEC teams play cupcakes. One exception of course being the Cuse who will play Notre Dame in Yankee Stadium.

The downside of a 9-game conference schedule is that it can make becoming bowl eligible very challenging for mid-level teams. For example, Indiana beat Virginia a few weeks back and they have a pretty good team all around. But they are 4-5 and will be lucky to reach 6 wins. Four of those 5 loses were to Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State and Iowa with one other close loss to Minnesota. So now in order to become bowl eligible they need to win 2 out of 3 against Maryland, Michigan and Purdue. Tough task. Again, Indiana beat Virginia out of conference, and a week ago the Committee ranked Virginia #25 in the country. If Indiana had a 4th out of conference game like teams in the ACC and the SEC do they could schedule a cupcake in place of that 9th conference game. That fourth OOC game would be very helpful.

By the way, Purdue is 5-4 with the obvious big win over Ohio State. Purdue also beat Boston College 30-13. Purdue just needs to win one of its final 3 games to go bowling, and they play Minnesota, Wisconsin and Indiana. If they lose to Minnesota and Wisconsin then Indiana will have a chance to prevent Purdue from going to a bowl, and Indiana could enter that game with just 4 wins if they lose to Maryland and Michigan which is very possible. Indiana and Purdue are rivals and anyone could win that matchup. Neither team may go bowling, but with a 4th OOC game Purdue would certainly go bowling and Indiana would have a much better shot.

One more thing about Purdue. They are statistically very similar to SU. SU is #18 total offense and #96 total defense. Purdue is #13 on offense and #94 on defense. Like I mentioned above, Purdue beat BC 30-13. I'm saying that means SU will beat BC, but it is a nice comparison. On the flip side, Nebraska is also very similar to SU statistically. Nebraska is #20 on offense and #104 on defense. Nebraska is 2-7. But Nebraska's offense keeps getting better every week, and at this point despite just 2 wins no one is looking forward to facing that offense. Next season Nebraska should be strong in the win column.

Going forward I think all 5 of the Power 5 conferences need to play the same number of conference games whether it be 8 or 9. If the Playoff remains 4 teams I do not see the SEC or the ACC switching from an 8-game conference schedule to 9 games. That would put more pressure on too many teams. Plus, playing 9 conference games instead of 8 ends up affecting who is ranked in the Top 25. So, if the 4 team Playoff continues I think the B1G, the Big 12 and the PAC 12 all need to switch to an 8-game conference schedule. And then week #12 can be a complete wash in all 5 power conferences as most teams play cupcakes to rest up ahead of their week #13 rival games. Not great for the fans but it definitely levels the playing field among the P5 conferences.
 
I hope Michigan gets in before Notre Dame regardless of records. Notre Dame has already stated that they don't really care if they miss the playoffs so long as they can stay independent.
 
9 games doesn’t work if you have yearly OOC rivalry games.

4.5 ACC home games + 0.5 OOC rivalry game + a fcs buy game = 6 home games with one free open spot.

Getting to 7 would require a low-level g5 buy game every year, thereby eliminating interesting OOC variety.

Moving from 7 home games to 6.5 is a decently big revenue hit for major football programs.
 
9 games doesn’t work if you have yearly OOC rivalry games.

4.5 ACC home games + 0.5 OOC rivalry game + a fcs buy game = 6 home games with one free open spot.

Getting to 7 would require a low-level g5 buy game every year, thereby eliminating interesting OOC variety.

Moving from 7 home games to 6.5 is a decently big revenue hit for major football programs.
ACC will never go to 9 while they play 5 ND games every year.
Clemson and Florida State need 7 home games every year because of their athletic budgets.
9 ACC games
1 SEC rivalry game
ND every 3 years

Means they would only have 1 opening and the year they played at ND they could only have 6 home games.
That is a lot money not just for their athletic budget but local economies.
The ACC won’t go to 9 games until they stop playing ND or those schools don’t play OOC SEC rivals.
 
ACC will never go to 9 while they play 5 ND games every year.
Clemson and Florida State need 7 home games every year because of their athletic budgets.
9 ACC games
1 SEC rivalry game
ND every 3 years

Means they would only have 1 opening and the year they played at ND they could only have 6 home games.
That is a lot money not just for their athletic budget but local economies.
The ACC won’t go to 9 games until they stop playing ND or those schools don’t play OOC SEC rivals.
Bingo
 
ACC doesn't need to go to 9 since they play against ND 5x/yr. I'm more interested in expanding the CFP to 8, or at very worst 6. If it were 8 this year it would be well within grasp for us. Plus it keeps each conference happy by creating an auto bid and 3 wildcards. I don't think the G5 should have an automatic birth. I wouldn't mind some criteria like if they have a team ranked in the top 10, but otherwise i'm set with giving them an automatic birth. Would rather have 3 wildcard slots. This will take away some of the staleness of seeing the same 5 or 6 teams in every single playoff. I mean how many times are people going to want to see Alabama, Clemson, tOSU, and Oklahoma before interest starts to wane. At least adding some new teams in the early rounds will freshen things up a bit.
 
ACC doesn't need to go to 9 since they play against ND 5x/yr. I'm more interested in expanding the CFP to 8, or at very worst 6. If it were 8 this year it would be well within grasp for us. Plus it keeps each conference happy by creating an auto bid and 3 wildcards. I don't think the G5 should have an automatic birth. I wouldn't mind some criteria like if they have a team ranked in the top 10, but otherwise i'm set with giving them an automatic birth. Would rather have 3 wildcard slots. This will take away some of the staleness of seeing the same 5 or 6 teams in every single playoff. I mean how many times are people going to want to see Alabama, Clemson, tOSU, and Oklahoma before interest starts to wane. At least adding some new teams in the early rounds will freshen things up a bit.
The only way I see expansion is to 6.
They copy the NFL 1 and 2 get byes.
3 vs. 6 and 4 vs.5
With 5 autobids with the P5 schools and then one at-large.

It’s really not fair to these kids to play more games without compensation.
If they reduced the season to 11 games they could expand the playoff like they do in FCS.
However FBS won’t want to give up that money from the 12th game.
If they expanded the playoff beyond 4 then a college team could play 16 games in a season that would be a professional season.
 
ACC will never go to 9 while they play 5 ND games every year.
Clemson and Florida State need 7 home games every year because of their athletic budgets.
9 ACC games
1 SEC rivalry game
ND every 3 years

Means they would only have 1 opening and the year they played at ND they could only have 6 home games.
That is a lot money not just for their athletic budget but local economies.
The ACC won’t go to 9 games until they stop playing ND or those schools don’t play OOC SEC rivals.

Unfortunately, I think the B1G, the PAC 12 and the Big 12 definitely need to switch to 8-conference schedules. I know schools like Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Maryland and Minnesota would like a 4th OOC game to make it a little easier to get to 6 wins each season. As it is they all usually play a P5 school OOC and then just have 2 other OOC games where they can pick up easy Ws.

I just took a look and Clemson hasn't played ND since the 2015 season. Do they play every 4 seasons? I see that ND has 5 ACC teams on it's schedule this season and the past two seasons. Some teams AC teams are playing ND more frequently than others. Is there a system in place or is it more that ND has agreements in place with different schools?
 
Unfortunately, I think the B1G, the PAC 12 and the Big 12 definitely need to switch to 8-conference schedules. I know schools like Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Maryland and Minnesota would like a 4th OOC game to make it a little easier to get to 6 wins each season. As it is they all usually play a P5 school OOC and then just have 2 other OOC games where they can pick up easy Ws.

I just took a look and Clemson hasn't played ND since the 2015 season. Do they play every 4 seasons? I see that ND has 5 ACC teams on it's schedule this season and the past two seasons. Some teams AC teams are playing ND more frequently than others. Is there a system in place or is it more that ND has agreements in place with different schools?

ND-ACC game schedule through 2025. I believe the rotation works out to playing ND twice every six years.

Cheers,
Neil
 
Thank you. Looks like ND plays Clemson during the '15, '22 and '23 seasons.

And 2020, which will be their twice in 6 years while the next two are back to back in 22 and 23.

Cheers,
Neil
 
If Clemson, Michigan, ND and Georgia all run the table we might get an expanded playoff if UM is left out.

Very true and its gonna take the B10 being left out with 1 loss for this thing to be expanded to 6 teams at the very least, 8 hopefully. 5 P5 conference champs and 3 wildcards including 1 dedicated G5 spot.
 
Very true and its gonna take the B10 being left out with 1 loss for this thing to be expanded to 6 teams at the very least, 8 hopefully. 5 P5 conference champs and 3 wildcards including 1 dedicated G5 spot.

This committee seems to be pretty sweet on the SEC and the ACC, so who knows maybe a one loss B1G champion will be passed over. LSU is at #7 after Bama blows them out at home, and this week LSU barely beats Arkansas. If LSU doesn't move down to #10 this committee has issues. Miss State just played Bama better than LSU did and Miss State played Bama in Tuscaloosa.

As for the ACC, will the committee finally remove NC State from the Top 25? Many questioned NC State and Virginia being ranked in the initial CFP rankings. Then Virginia loses at home to Pitt. After that loss the committee removes Virginia, but inexplicably moves NC State up 7 spots?! That was after a win over Florida State. That made very little sense. Then NC State follows form and loses at home to Wake on senior night. It truly is nice to have the ACC and SEC logos plastered all over ESPN.
 
This committee seems to be pretty sweet on the SEC and the ACC, so who knows maybe a one loss B1G champion will be passed over. LSU is at #7 after Bama blows them out at home, and this week LSU barely beats Arkansas. If LSU doesn't move down to #10 this committee has issues. Miss State just played Bama better than LSU did and Miss State played Bama in Tuscaloosa.

As for the ACC, will the committee finally remove NC State from the Top 25? Many questioned NC State and Virginia being ranked in the initial CFP rankings. Then Virginia loses at home to Pitt. After that loss the committee removes Virginia, but inexplicably moves NC State up 7 spots?! That was after a win over Florida State. That made very little sense. Then NC State follows form and loses at home to Wake on senior night. It truly is nice to have the ACC and SEC logos plastered all over ESPN.
LSU is overrated I don’t get it.
No way they should be above West Virginia, Ohio State and Washington State.
They beat a way overrated Miami team, a way overrated Auburn team,both Mississippi teams and Arkansas.
Their best win is Georgia and that is a great win and they lost to Florida.
No way they belong as high as they are.
 
LSU is overrated I don’t get it.
No way they should be above West Virginia, Ohio State and Washington State.
They beat a way overrated Miami team, a way overrated Auburn team,both Mississippi teams and Arkansas.
Their best win is Georgia and that is a great win and they lost to Florida.
No way they belong as high as they are.

You make a great point and of course its the SEC bias. The top 15 overall this year is down and weak, including our #13 ranking. i love Cuse fb and we deserve all we get but we aren't the #13 team in the land.

Most of these rankings are subjective and dependent on teams played and when. I love this cuse team but do most of us think we would beat Florida?
 
SEC is overrated

Florida should not be where they are

They SHOULD have lost to South Carolina.

Kentucky was overrated from start.

The middle of the SEC is overrated for sure

We keep winning when everyone else is losing which helps us
 

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