If the Big Ten and Pac-12 get shutout of the CFB playoffs 2 years in a row the 3+5+5 should be discussed

[baggerbob]

Teams in the SEC got credit for beating Auburn who were ranked at the beginning of the year.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Very true and its gonna take the B10 being left out with 1 loss for this thing to be expanded to 6 teams at the very least, 8 hopefully. 5 P5 conference champs and 3 wildcards including 1 dedicated G5 spot.

8 makes the most sense to me - 5 Major conf champs, plus 3 at large. Only 3 games. Incorporate a few more of the early bowls into a rotation to improve their cachet.

 

[longislandcuse]

You make a great point and of course its the SEC bias. The top 15 overall this year is down and weak, including our #13 ranking. i love Cuse fb and we deserve all we get but we aren't the #13 team in the land.

Most of these rankings are subjective and dependent on teams played and when. I love this cuse team but do most of us think we would beat Florida?

Yes. One of my employees is a UF alum so we discuss Florida a lot and I watch most of their games. We would beat them.

 

[Alsacs]

Yes. One of my employees is a UF alum so we discuss Florida a lot and I watch most of their games. We would beat them.

Felipe Franks can’t pass well. Syracuse pass rush would make some plays against them. Perone would get yards but I think we beat Florida on a neutral field this year by 7-10.

 

[Alsacs]

8 makes the most sense to me - 5 Major conf champs, plus 3 at large. Only 3 games. Incorporate a few more of the early bowls into a rotation to improve their cachet.

8 adds requires 16 game schedules for the champ.
The only expansion of the playoffs should be to 6.
1 and 2 get byes.
I think the kids on playoff teams should get paid. The money the playoffs generates in TV money and the players get none of it.
If all P5 kids got paid I would say expand the playoffs to 8 or more.

 

[IthacaMatt]

8 adds requires 16 game schedules for the champ.
The only expansion of the playoffs should be to 6.
1 and 2 get byes.
I think the kids on playoff teams should get paid. The money the playoffs generates in TV money and the players get none of it.
If all P5 kids got paid I would say expand the playoffs to 8 or more.

Nobody should get byes in the playoffs. Cut the season by one regular season game, and get rid of the Division 1-AA game. Make that a private scrimmage the week before Labor Day, and give everyone an extra bye week during the season.

 

[elimunelson]

8 adds requires 16 game schedules for the champ.
The only expansion of the playoffs should be to 6.
1 and 2 get byes.
I think the kids on playoff teams should get paid. The money the playoffs generates in TV money and the players get none of it.
If all P5 kids got paid I would say expand the playoffs to 8 or more.

I do too if they stay in school for 4 years. Escrow the money till they graduate. Make it the incentive for the borderline nfl talent

 

[care taker]

Make it an 8 game season all conference play . Than a four week playoff with losers playing consultation games ( still a 12 game season ) is the only way to have s fair playoff .

 

[SmilinBob]

Make it an 8 game season all conference play . Than a four week playoff with losers playing consultation games ( still a 12 game season ) is the only way to have s fair playoff .

I could see that but only 8 games in conferences that have 12 to 14 teams seems like anyone who has a favorable schedule gets in over a team that may have had a very difficult schedule.

 

[orangenirvana]

The Big Ten with their little pet the PAC-12 were the ones who shot down the ACC request to change determination for conference championship games.
If they get shutout 2 years in a row then they will realize championship weekend should be the best 2 teams and not these stupid inequal divisions.

This is a silver lining to watch.

I'm fine with divisions. They just need to mix it up every couple years or so. Do the same 7 teams need to reside in each division for eternity? That's boring and not very logical.

 

[SmilinBob]

How about the ACC and all other conferences playing 12 games just in conference in 1 division and winner moves on?

 

[Fjoinkay]

ACC will never go to 9 while they play 5 ND games every year.
Clemson and Florida State need 7 home games every year because of their athletic budgets.
9 ACC games
1 SEC rivalry game
ND every 3 years

Means they would only have 1 opening and the year they played at ND they could only have 6 home games.
That is a lot money not just for their athletic budget but local economies.
The ACC won’t go to 9 games until they stop playing ND or those schools don’t play OOC SEC rivals.

I agree about LSU. The Miss State defense has been statistically better than LSU's defense going back at least 6 consecutive weeks. I have been sitting back and watching the coverage on ESPN and no one ever mentioned that fact. Instead we saw constant praise for LSU's defense which was consistently 5th or 6th in the SEC in Total Defense during those 6 weeks while Miss State's defense was consistently #1 in the SEC during that timeframe.

Why did that happen? Hmm. Was it the ESPN PR machine pumping up the Bama - LSU game for at least 3 weeks before the game? The LSU hype really ramped up after LSU embarrassed Georgia.

And why is LSU still #7 in the CFP Rankings? Because LSU embarrassed Georgia beating Georgia by 20 points. Georgia gave up 36 points to that really bad LSU offense. Miss State with 4 TOs still played a better game against LSU than Georiga only giving up 19 points.

Okay, so right now we are supposed to be really impressed with Georgia. Why? Because after LSU embarrassed them they beat Kentucky. Well, Kentucky's just lost 24-7 to Tennessee. The Vols entered that game 4-5 coming off an 14-3 win at home to a 4-5 Charlotte team. And this week Georgia beat Auburn (6-4) 27-10. Going into that game David Pollack said that Auburn's offense is terrible, and he's right. So what that really means, is that Georgia hasn't really shown a whole lot since being blow out by LSU at least in terms of how the committee should be evaluating them. The Kentucky and Auburn wins just aren't that impressive. If Georgia somehow beats Bama in the SEC Championship game, they were still blown out by LSU. That means that people who want the SEC to have 2 teams in the Playoff want that LSU blowout loss to look as pretty as possible. That is why LSU remains at #7. Because in that scenario where Georgia beats Bama it will be harder for the committee to justify 2 SEC teams if LSU falls out of the top 10. If Texas A&M beats LSU then LSU will fall even further, so it helps to keep them at #7 for now.

Some of the people on the committee must want to believe that LSU is better than it is. That is the myth about the SEC at work. It was once a dominant football conference. That hasn't been the case going back a few years now at least. The P5 structure has leveled the playing field. Last season the SEC had Bama and Georgia, but that was about it. The conference was down. The B1G was the best conference last season and the reason no one really saw that until the bowl games played out is because of the SEC myth, rooted in that past, influenced how people on the committee evaluated teams and ranked them. Ask Wisconsin who had a great team last year, or ask UCF whose team last season was legit.

The SEC myth has now sprung an obsession with getting 2 SEC teams into the CFP. That became very apparent last season. For example, after Auburn beat a really banged up Bama last year in the Iron Bowl, we suddenly saw Booger and David Pollack saying that Auburn was clearly one of the best 4 teams in the country even though they had 2 losses (Clemson and a REALLY bad LSU team). You see, Pollack and Booger were concerned about what would happen if Auburn beat Georgia in the SEC Championship game. Auburn had beaten Georgia earlier in the season, so if Auburn won the SEC Championship game that would mean Georgia would have 2 losses, both to Auburn. Auburn would have to be the better team with 2 head-to-head wins. That would crush the SEC obsession with getting 2 teams into the CFP unless the committee believed that Auburn with 2 losses should be the 4th team. So I recall Booger arguing that Auburn was clearly a Top 4 team and that anyone who understood football could see it. He also said that the committee could see it. Then Auburn lost to Georgia in the SEC Championship game, and Georgia was able to be included in the Playoff. Of course, not only was Booger wrong but he was way off because UCF then beat Auburn 34-27 in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl. And UCF looked like the better team in that game. They more than held their own. That was not a fluke. Auburn was never a Top 4 team. Not even close.

I believe this season the SEC is the best conference, but by no means dominant. LSU is overrated at #7. The committee whiffed last season in a few ways, and this committee is making similar mistakes. I think the reason for the mistakes both years is rooted in the past. The past is filtering the thinking today about how teams should be ranked. The subjectivity in this process is unfortunately the reason why I now think that a 4 team playoff isn't good enough. I thought it would be good enough, but it hasn't played out that way at all. We need at least 6 teams in the Playoff.