If there's a change coming,

[Bayside44]

Who recklessly ordered the Code Red on P? So far it wasn't Gross, it wasn't Cantor. Who was it then?

How come it the IPF magically appeared days after Marrone left? Why wasn't it announced in early to help with the Class of '13 recruiting cycle?

Wait I think I've read that donors were witholding money because Marrone didn't stroke their ego's enough, and I think that came from you.

And Rahme has told me that members of the board were openly hostile to Marrone which also helped push him towards the door. Was it Gross that came up with the bowl or fired ultimatum going into the '12 season?

I couldn't believe it at the time, but Jeremy said there was big money trying to get him removed even before that.

That's the stuff I'm talking about. People in authority, without a clue, have had a direct hand if killing this program.

There is no big money...Marrone talked about the weight of the world on his shoulders that didn't exist.

 

[DocFlanders]

Here's what's gonna happen IMO. It's no inside information but common sense unlike some of the hysterics.

Coyle has some possible names. I'm sure he's doing his due diligence and putting out informal feelers. Now if he can get someone on his list that he wants, he makes a change. If he can't, he gives Shafer another year.

He's not going to make a change for the sake of making a change and then possibly be in the same spot 3 years from now.

And like I already predicated a couple weeks ago and we've already seen here today, if he keeps Shafer he's gonna have his head called for by some even if he had good reason and we just don't know that reason.

Amen bro, spot on.

 

[Alsacs]

Here's what's gonna happen IMO. It's no inside information but common sense unlike some of the hysterics.

Coyle has some possible names. I'm sure he's doing his due diligence and putting out informal feelers. Now if he can get someone on his list that he wants, he makes a change. If he can't, he gives Shafer another year.

He's not going to make a change for the sake of making a change and then possibly be in the same spot 3 years from now.

And like I already predicated a couple weeks ago and we've already seen here today, if he keeps Shafer he's gonna have his head called for by some even if he had good reason and we just don't know that reason.

If Coyle can't get somebody he likes and keeps SS another your damn right he will get a lot of scorn. SS is not a HC.

 

[rrlbees]

If Coyle can't get somebody he likes and keeps SS another your damn right he will get a lot of scorn. SS is not a HC.

So you're in the camp of making change for changes sake. Duly noted.

 

[Alsacs]

So you're in the camp of making change for changes sake. Duly noted.

Short of Coyle hiring Gerg or another meathead assistant defensive coach I don't think we can have a worse HC than SS.
I think SS is a good man but he is not a HC. I think we can get a better coach and I will be patient for a new coach if the new coach shows they get it.

 

[rrlbees]

So you are saying Cantor made that decision all on her own? Because I believe I read on here recently, by people who witnessed it, that it was some trustee's who pushed it. Did I say contract? I'm talking resources, facilities improvements, the things he needed to do his job better. As for his contract, was there and extension signed and what was the buy out? As for pissing people off, as long as he was doing his job well, too bad, two way street.

And people who were there have quoted Cantor regardless of what anyone else may have been saying. It starts with he's embarrassing us...

Marrone was fine with his contract offer. It had nothing to do with him leaving. As to all the resource stuff, he was culpable. He knew what he signed up for. He wanted to change all that and wash his hands of fundraising. His attitude pissed people off. Do you like to piss off your bosses? Why is it he can piss off donors, admin, trustees, ex players, 1/2 of NJ etc but it's everyone's else's fault?

 

[rrlbees]

Short of Coyle hiring Gerg or another meathead assistant defensive coach I don't think we can have a worse HC than SS. I think SS is a good man but he is not a HC. I think we can get a better coach and I will be patient for a new coach if the new coach shows they get it.

And if it's someone he doesn't really want and the change is being made just for the heck of it, he'll be doing it again in 3 years. Heck maybe 2 years. That way the timing could be right where we'd be paying 3 HCs. You're gonna have to dig real deep to help pay that.

 

[Alsacs]

And if it's someone he doesn't really want and the change is being made just for the heck of it, he'll be doing it again in 3 years. Heck maybe 2 years. That way the timing could be right where we'd be paying 3 HCs. You're gonna have to dig real deep to help pay that.

Do we the consumers of SU FB matter? I feel like my money is completely wasted supporting this program right now. If the school is okay with this than keep the man most responsible for this.

SS is not a HC. I mean after what he did to Eric Dungey today and then hearing the explanation I mean c'mon. The kid got hurt because the HC doesn't get it. Punt on 4th and 2 down 18, kick a 52 yd FG down 11 but keep your Fr QB in a game down 31 with 5 minutes left.

That is unconscionable. He has to be gone. Find somebody.

 

[NKR1978]

And people who were there have quoted Cantor regardless of what anyone else may have been saying. It starts with he's embarrassing us...

Marrone was fine with his contract offer. It had nothing to do with him leaving. As to all the resource stuff, he was culpable. He knew what he signed up for. He wanted to change all that and wash his hands of fundraising. His attitude pissed people off. Do you like to piss off your bosses? Why is it he can piss off donors, admin, trustees, ex players, 1/2 of NJ etc but it's everyone's else's fault?

You made a good point about Coyle. He shouldn't hire someone that he doesn't 100% believe in.

I've just lost all faith in Shafer and his staff. I fear that the next coach is going to have to pick up a completely broken program if he gets another year. The team gets worse every week. We make no adjustments. I'm not quite hopeless, but in another year it might be.

 

[SUFan44]

Here's what's gonna happen IMO. It's no inside information but common sense unlike some of the hysterics.

Coyle has some possible names. I'm sure he's doing his due diligence and putting out informal feelers. Now if he can get someone on his list that he wants, he makes a change. If he can't, he gives Shafer another year.

He's not going to make a change for the sake of making a change and then possibly be in the same spot 3 years from now.

And like I already predicated a couple weeks ago and we've already seen here today, if he keeps Shafer he's gonna have his head called for by some even if he had good reason and we just don't know that reason.

I'm of the opinion that if he is worth his weight of being an AD at a big-time school, which I think he is, he can find someone on his list. If he can't, then I don't think he's worth his weight. That's his job.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm of the opinion that if he is worth his weight of being an AD at a big-time school, which I think he is, he can find someone on his list. If he can't, then I don't think he's worth his weight. That's his job.

It takes two to fill a job. I've turned down job offers before.

 

[PoppyHart]

I'm of the opinion that if he is worth his weight of being an AD at a big-time school, which I think he is, he can find someone on his list. If he can't, then I don't think he's worth his weight. That's his job.

Well said. So many people here find comfort in inertia.

 

[BKCuse]

Do we the consumers of SU FB matter? I feel like my money is completely wasted supporting this program right now. If the school is okay with this than keep the man most responsible for this.

SS is not a HC. I mean after what he did to Eric Dungey today and then hearing the explanation I mean c'mon. The kid got hurt because the HC doesn't get it. Punt on 4th and 2 down 18, kick a 52 yd FG down 11 but keep your Fr QB in a game down 31 with 5 minutes left.

That is unconscionable. He has to be gone. Find somebody.

Tough to argue with this post.

Shaf has really gotten himself into a shxtstorm.

 

[SUFan44]

It takes two to fill a job. I've turned down job offers before.

That's your right as a job seeker. The job of a hunter is to get the person that can fill the job capably. Just because you have turned a job down doesn't mean there are not others that are just as capable.

 

[rrlbees]

That's your right as a job seeker. The job of a hunter is to get the person that can fill the job capably. Just because you have turned a job down doesn't mean there are not others that are just as capable.

There's no guarantee whomever is on his list will take or want the job. It's not an infinite list. It's too important of a hire just to hire someone. It has to be the perfect fit.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

So you're in the camp of making change for changes sake. Duly noted.

If you are convinced that Shafer is an inadequate head coach, it is not "making a change for the sake of change."

Who signs up for another year of awful just because their perfect replacement isn't imminently available?

Either Coyle will think Shafer has some bright spots worth considering and deserves another year, or he thinks his performance is unacceptable and let's him go. And if the coach hired to replace Shafer proves unacceptable, he'll be let go in time as well.

 

[Millhouse]

There's no guarantee whomever is on his list will take or want the job. It's not an infinite list. It's too important of a hire just to hire someone. It has to be the perfect fit.

Perfect? How about better?

 

[elimunelson]

There's no guarantee whomever is on his list will take or want the job. It's not an infinite list. It's too important of a hire just to hire someone. It has to be the perfect fit.

Rick, If that's the case I would assume an extension is going to happen as well. No friggin way he's back next year without an extension. That's the mother of all lame duck seasons.

If you think about it this is our first hire post ACC money. If the money is good we will get a good HC. Some coaches have visions of 90s cuse as well.

I refuse to believe this a lost cause job situation. We just have a coach right now who isn't that good.

 

[Crusty]

I am sure that agents have been calling Coyle promoting their guys from the day he got the job. Any pro knows that soft inquiry is pretty much useless.

A major factor has to be the budget available. If Coyle feels he can spend the $6 million it will take to be competitive in the market for a staff, he will probably pull the trigger. If not it won't matter what he does.

 

[jr4750]

Rick, If that's the case I would assume an extension is going to happen as well. No friggin way he's back next year without an extension. That's the mother of all lame duck seasons.

If you think about it this is our first hire post ACC money. If the money is good we will get a good HC. Some coaches have visions of 90s cuse as well.

I refuse to believe this a lost cause job situation. We just have a coach right now who isn't that good.

Exactly. There are schools like us that are winning. We can too, with the right leadership. I really wanted shafer to be that guy. He just has been so poor in his decision making it baffles me. Lester and bullough too. The loose play of the secondary kills me every week. I'd rather us get beat by a better receiver on long routes all day then give ten yard cushions. It's so soft, I can't stand it. Dumb play calling on offense, open backfield, shot guns on third and inches, forget it. Ugh

 

[TheCusian]

The amount of people just hoping for "better" instead of "right" is crazy to me. We need the right guy.

Better could be 4-8. I'm not signing up for that.

 

[gmoney44]

It takes two to fill a job. I've turned down job offers before.

It's also the job of the AD to sell the job. He needs to sell his candidate on his vision of the program and show them the money.

 

[Jake]

My idea of an AD list isn't a list of guys you want, it's a list of guys you're pretty sure you can get.

 

[Millhouse]

The amount of people just hoping for "better" instead of "right" is crazy to me. We need the right guy.

Better could be 4-8. I'm not signing up for that.

There is more than one right guy. Do your best, hire someone, see how it goes and try again if needed. We have a bunch worrywarts that think *this* is the most critical moment everrrrr

 

[Chip]

There is more than one right guy. Do your best, hire someone, see how it goes and try again if needed. We have a bunch worrywarts that think *this* is the most critical moment everrrrr

If we don't hire the "right" guy, there's a chance we could end up seeing 3 win seasons where we're out gained by 200 yards per game, we make in game decisions that make sense to no one, and no fans come to the Dome.

We just can't risk getting to that point.