If there's a change coming,

[Jake]

Here's another thing I've changed my mind on. About two weeks ago one of the reasons I had for not making a change this year was the plethora of openings. But that assumes this year is an outlier. I think this year is the new norm. We're gonna be trying to fish in a crowded pond no matter what. Might as well throw the line in the pond. Also, I get the feeling Coyle is going to get a guy that's probably not in line to get the USC job anyway.

 

[Alsacs]

I think they are a lot more "right" hires than keeping SS as HC candidates.

Seriously the bar is low. This is a business. Syracuse isn't giving away tickets for free. We on this board pay for the product on the field. If SU wants to just cash a check from the ACC and not care about winning go ahead and keep SS. Just don't expect people to pay for the product.

Also who the heck is going to commit to a lameduck coach next year. Our recruiting isn't good now and people want SS to recruit with no security. If SS is the coach next year I give us a 50/50 chance to beat UConn on the road. Probably less if I am honest. I would like an actual HC leading our program.

 

[orangenirvana]

There's no guarantee whomever is on his list will take or want the job. It's not an infinite list. It's too important of a hire just to hire someone. It has to be the perfect fit.

If Coyle has to settle for another season of Shafer because he couldn't convince who he wanted to take the job then he's either (a) way too picky, or (b) a shitty salesman.

What if his list of candidates next year doesn't want to come here? Shafer stays through 2017?

There are plenty of available candidates out there that can take this program to the next level.

 

[CuseOnly]

Who recklessly ordered the Code Red on P? So far it wasn't Gross, it wasn't Cantor. Who was it then?

How come it the IPF magically appeared days after Marrone left? Why wasn't it announced in early to help with the Class of '13 recruiting cycle?

Wait I think I've read that donors were witholding money because Marrone didn't stroke their ego's enough, and I think that came from you.

And Rahme has told me that members of the board were openly hostile to Marrone which also helped push him towards the door. Was it Gross that came up with the bowl or fired ultimatum going into the '12 season?

I couldn't believe it at the time, but Jeremy said there was big money trying to get him removed even before that.

That's the stuff I'm talking about. People in authority, without a clue, have had a direct hand if killing this program.

Where is this BIG money that folks were withholding? I certainly haven't seen it.

 

[jr4750]

If Coyle has to settle for another season of Shafer because he couldn't convince who he wanted to take the job then he's either (a) way too picky, or (b) a shitty salesman.

What if his list of candidates next year doesn't want to come here? Shafer stays through 2017?

There are plenty of available candidates out there that can take this program to the next level.

And that would be interested in making a couple million a year

 

[CuseOnly]

I'm surprised this isn't an answered question by now. I don't know the answer. But I heard directly from a generally reliable source, at a tailgate in 2005 or 2006, that it was a high-ranking and influential BOT member who told Cantor to pull the plug at halftime of the bowl game against GT.

Bees answered this question about 1000x now, read above.

Cantor ordered the code red on P, Gross was the guy who had to carry it out.

Wasn't sure about the Booster but I haven't seen a windfall of $$ after P left, what support was said person giving as I certainly did not see it in our facilities while P was here or Gerg or Marrone.

 

[Nick44]

Who recklessly ordered the Code Red on P? So far it wasn't Gross, it wasn't Cantor. Who was it then?

How come it the IPF magically appeared days after Marrone left? Why wasn't it announced in early to help with the Class of '13 recruiting cycle?

Wait I think I've read that donors were witholding money because Marrone didn't stroke their ego's enough, and I think that came from you.

And Rahme has told me that members of the board were openly hostile to Marrone which also helped push him towards the door. Was it Gross that came up with the bowl or fired ultimatum going into the '12 season?

I couldn't believe it at the time, but Jeremy said there was big money trying to get him removed even before that.

That's the stuff I'm talking about. People in authority, without a clue, have had a direct hand if killing this program.

Dude, what you are describing, is exactly what happens at every big time program. Would you rather have an apathetic BOT, who doesn't give a crap what happens next and continues with business as usual? To a much larger scale, the same thing is happening at Texas with Charlie Strong.

Do I agree with the BOT, when they wanted Marrone to beat to their drum? No. But I understand that they had certain expectations of a HC that he didn't agree too. This caused the rift which eventually led to his exit.

I do fault the BOT for the amount of time it took to get the IPF done. However, if this dream of a dome reno that we keep hearing about can become a reality, they are forgiven in my book.

 

[elimunelson]

Dude, what you are describing, is exactly what happens at every big time program. Would you rather have an apathetic BOT, who doesn't give a crap what happens next and continues with business as usual? To a much larger scale, the same thing is happening at Texas with Charlie Strong.

Do I agree with the BOT, when they wanted Marrone to beat to their drum? No. But I understand that they had certain expectations of a HC that he didn't agree too. This caused the rift which eventually led to his exit.

I do fault the BOT for the amount of time it took to get the IPF done. However, if this dream of a dome reno that we keep hearing about can become a reality, they are forgiven in my book.

Ironically we have a bot that includes a guy going to jail for a DUI.

I'd rather lean on a competent AD than MCNABB

 

[CuseOnly]

Here's another thing I've changed my mind on. About two weeks ago one of the reasons I had for not making a change this year was the plethora of openings. But that assumes this year is an outlier. I think this year is the new norm. We're gonna be trying to fish in a crowded pond no matter what. Might as well throw the line in the pond. Also, I get the feeling Coyle is going to get a guy that's probably not in line to get the USC job anyway.

There is a website I was reading earlier in the week that tracks how many coaching openings there are every year going back about 10 years. The carousel is currently at around 10, the highest I recall on that website was 31 in one year. We are far from that number.

 

[Nick44]

Here's another thing I've changed my mind on. About two weeks ago one of the reasons I had for not making a change this year was the plethora of openings. But that assumes this year is an outlier. I think this year is the new norm. We're gonna be trying to fish in a crowded pond no matter what. Might as well throw the line in the pond. Also, I get the feeling Coyle is going to get a guy that's probably not in line to get the USC job anyway.

Agreed, if Coyle is concerned about this issue, much like whether players will transfer, we have much bigger problems.

The only concern I have is whether or not the new HC will have to play his home games elsewhere next year due to the renovation. That to me, is an honest concern for a HC and also may push some candidates away knowing this. However, I am starting to think that it will be 2017-2018 and not 2016 before this renovation forces the team to play elsewhere.

 

[Moontan]

Ironically we have a bot that includes a guy going to jail for a DUI.

As I indicated in another thread, the person that you're referring isn't a voting member.
Art Monk, however, is a voting member. Hopefully, he can provide proper insight on some football related matters to the rest of the board.

 

[elimunelson]

As I indicated in another thread, the person that you're referring isn't a voting member.
Art Monk, however, is a voting member. Hopefully, he can provide proper insight on some football related matters to the rest of the board.

Good to know. Guy is a terrible rep for our school.

 

[TheCusian]

There is more than one right guy. Do your best, hire someone, see how it goes and try again if needed. We have a bunch worrywarts that think *this* is the most critical moment everrrrr

Ha! lot of space between "just fire Shafer and get someone better" and "find a good fit for the program, do your due diligence, etc" ...
We're probably in agreement on this - just didn't like how flippant "better" sounded.

 

[CuseOnly]

If Shafer is indeed gone, the 2 best candidates are Rhule and Fuente IMO.

Pay them to come here FFS.

 

[rocklloyd]

If Shafer is indeed gone, the 2 best candidates are Rhule and Fuente IMO. Pay them to come here FFS.

We're need to pay, no doubt. But with these two, we better have a solid plan for when their next big opportunity surfaces and they leave. We've not been experts at continuity.

 

[SUFan44]

There's no guarantee whomever is on his list will take or want the job. It's not an infinite list. It's too important of a hire just to hire someone. It has to be the perfect fit.

It does not have to be the perfect fit. There are no perfect fits. Perfect fits are for the movies.

There are guys that have the chops for this job, and there are guys that don't. And I don't think I'm alone in saying that we know who doesn't have it. Great guy, wish it would have worked, think he does a lot of good things. But winning football games isn't one of them, and that's what he is being paid a lot of money to do.

 

[CuseOnly]

We're need to pay, no doubt. But with these two, we better have a solid plan for when their next big opportunity surfaces and they leave. We've not been experts at continuity.

It will be like that with anyone we hire that is competent, when is it not? What SU needs to do is pay enough and support the program enough so the job is not viewed as a stepping stone job.

 

[rrlbees]

It does not have to be the perfect fit. There are no perfect fits. Perfect fits are for the movies. There are guys that have the chops for this job, and there are guys that don't. And I don't think I'm alone in saying that we know who doesn't have it. Great guy, wish it would have worked, think he does a lot of good things. But winning football games isn't one of them, and that's what he is being paid a lot of money to do.

Replace perfect with right which is the word I had been using.

 

[SUFan44]

Replace perfect with right which is the word I had been using.

There are a lot of guys out there that would be a better fit than Shafer is to win football games. I have no doubt in my mind about that after watching the last two years. Which would, in turn, make it the right one too. And if it isn't the right fit, how is what would transpire three years from now any different than what is transpiring now? Not sure I see the value in keeping a guy that has a low ceiling and is struggling to make basic football decisions for one more year, just because the AD is going to have a tough time getting the right fit. How do you know that?

 

[rocklloyd]

It will be like that with anyone we hire that is competent, when is it not? What SU needs to do is pay enough and support the program enough so the job is not viewed as a stepping stone job.

Yep. From this point forward our administration needs to be thinking about the next guy while we have the current guy. It's all about continuity.

 

[retro44]

He could probably hire any one of a number of posters too.

I'll take it

 

[AZOrange]

What happened to PP was a disaster of nuclear proportions. That decision set us back 10 plus years.

Coyle will find someone. Especially if he has a major dome renovation in his back pocket.

 

[Ottoble]

Coach P was fired after a 6-6 year.

We'd have a parade now if we finished 6-6.

Yup fired in January after an extension, with no replacement plan in a 6-6 year where we played 5 ranked teams (3 as OOC opponents) and scratched out a split conf title. Other teams in conference ooc played Max 1 ranked team reaching 8 or 9 win year.

Gross
Scheduling
Planning
Recruiting
Perspective

All bad