if we wan to talk purely the throws

[upperdeck]

that was about as good a throwing game as I recall at SU last night.

29-39 for 300. of the 10 in-completions 7x8 were just throw aways and 1 was a deep fade and 1 was a 50 yd pass.

As accurate as you could ever hope.

If teams are going to blitz us so easly then we need to live with it and trust his accuracy and change up that game plan.

those last 2 drives maybe what we have to work with, the way this oline just cant complete a block. not every team has Clemson DBs.

 

[Millhouse]

Dungey last year against nc St

 

[SoBristol]

Decent point about the stats — our receivers can make plays when given the chance, and Devito can make throws. But when you add in the sacks (not all were the fault of the OL), the intentional groundings, the throw-aways when there was an opportunity to make plays — it isn’t a brand of football that wins games. Too easy to defend.

 

[shu 49]

that was about as good a throwing game as I recall at SU last night.

29-39 for 300. of the 10 in-completions 7x8 were just throw aways and 1 was a deep fade and 1 was a 50 yd pass.

As accurate as you could ever hope.

If teams are going to blitz us so easly then we need to live with it and trust his accuracy and change up that game plan.

those last 2 drives maybe what we have to work with, the way this oline just cant complete a block. not every team has Clemson DBs.

Do u feel he should be throwing our receivers open a bit more or is that too much

 

[upperdeck]

I really thought he would, but he seems worried to let it go. if you eliminate the dumb throws early in the season that hasnt been an issue. i think its mostly just gun shy from getting hit so much.

 

[Chip]

I really thought he would, but he seems worried to let it go. if you eliminate the dumb throws early in the season that hasnt been an issue. i think its mostly just gun shy from getting hit so much.

I think the combo of the early throwaway INTs and the intentional groundings are impacting him too. That's why he's quick to throw it away, but not just throw it away, to heave it into the crowd.

You are right though, that he throws a really nice football. Doesn't surprise me that he stood out in RVAs.

The mental side can be fixed, but given his stature of recruit, I don't think we expected him to be the guy that you wait until his 5th year before you see him take off as a QB.

 

[SU94]

I think the combo of the early throwaway INTs and the intentional groundings are impacting him too. That's why he's quick to throw it away, but not just throw it away, to heave it into the crowd.

You are right though, that he throws a really nice football. Doesn't surprise me that he stood out in RVAs.

The mental side can be fixed, but given his stature of recruit, I don't think we expected him to be the guy that you wait until his 5th year before you see him take off as a QB.

DeVito will be excellent next year with an average O-Line. He's going to give SU two full seasons of terrific quarterbacking. This year ... he's learning and performing in spurts. I know many are frustrated, but he's experiencing pretty normal growth as a quarterback. No, he's not Peyton Manning, but he's coming along quicker than, say ... Ryan Nassib did earlier this decade. I am encouraged.

 

[upperdeck]

if the oline was functional we would really be happy.. but why has it been yrs since we came up with any kind of real oline.

 

[TheCusian]

He can make all the throws - his median games are like ED’s best (throwing). But he’s got some young QB stuff to work through. Open question on “can he”

 

[SU94]

He can make all the throws - his median games are like ED’s best (throwing). But he’s got some young QB stuff to work through. Open question on “can he”

Yep, he's working out some young QB things, but we also have no rational reason to believe that "he cannot."

He's improving incrementally, which is fine. He played really really well against Western Michigan. Light years better than against Liberty and Maryland.
Last night, he threw the ball very well. From my shoes, that rib injury combined with NCSU's pressure compromised his mental progressions just enough that it sped things up for him on (too) many plays. Which is a bummer, as it was a winnable game. (NOTE: I am not placing blame on DeVito for the loss here)

 

[GoSU96]

The kid struggled to 300yds, 75%, and zero interceptions while getting sacked 8 times and scrambling for a couple of yards about the same amount of drop backs. While nursing an injury.

There have been four other games since 2000 with that line, Nassib against URI, Dungey against Colgate, Cent. Conn. St, and BC (2016).

Of course he has to play better, but the hysteria tonight and today is beyond stupid. One thing he didn't do last night was make the huge mistake that took them out of the game.

 

[raf4488]

The kid struggled to 300yds, 75%, and zero interceptions while getting sacked 8 times and scrambling for a couple of yards about the same amount of drop backs. While nursing an injury.

There have been four other games since 2000 with that line, Nassib against URI, Dungey against Colgate, Cent. Conn. St, and BC (2016).

Of course he has to play better, but the hysteria tonight and today is beyond stupid. One thing he didn't do last night was make the huge mistake that took them out of the game.

Yeah no turnovers is good and an improvement from earlier in the season. His awareness in the pocket wasn’t good but is not helped by our poor OL. The throwing ability is the important part and the stuff he’s currently lacking is teachable

 

[blizz]

The ball has to get out earlier. Watch the receivers break in their stem, they turn their head out of the break and that's the moment the ball should be there. QB is holding the ball, not trusting his receivers, and not confident seeing obvious throwing windows. That inside slant to Jackson at the end of the third quarter is the best example. The pre snap read is the 1-on-1 matchup with the CB giving up the inside. It should be a 1 step drop and a leading throw to the inside of the receiver...blind, I mean it should just be automatic.

 

[JRHEETER]

FWIW I loved the way we looked the last two drives. Feel like we should be doing that the whole game...

 

[Newhouser]

Yeah no turnovers is good and an improvement from earlier in the season. His awareness in the pocket wasn’t good but is not helped by our poor OL. The throwing ability is the important part and the stuff he’s currently lacking is teachable

So I guess the question is why hasn't it been taught (or absorbed) as I'm sure the staff has worked on it. Kid has been training for this moment his whole life.

 

[GoSU96]

So I guess the question is why hasn't it been taught (or absorbed) as I'm sure the staff has worked on it. Kid has been training for this moment his whole life.

There is obviously the risk, and signs, that he can't handle the job. He has the athletic tools, and there have been times when he has been great. The way he was dumping the ball and diving early tells me that was predetermined to some extent as in avoid getting hit if at all possible.

I don't care if he's not Dungey. With marginally better protection and marginally better run game he has the tools to be a top three QB in the ACC. Yeah, what he can't do is dominate the ball and be the best running back on the team. That's not what he was brought here to do, and not how Dino wants to run his offense.

 

[Newhouser]

There is obviously the risk, and signs, that he can't handle the job. He has the athletic tools, and there have been times when he has been great. The way he was dumping the ball and diving early tells me that was predetermined to some extent as in avoid getting hit if at all possible.

I don't care if he's not Dungey. With marginally better protection and marginally better run game he has the tools to be a top three QB in the ACC. Yeah, what he can't do is dominate the ball and be the best running back on the team. That's not what he was brought here to do, and not how Dino wants to run his offense.I

I agree and have thought TD>ED at least potentially, but we need to start seeing some positive signs in terms of presence, accuracy, escapability, etc.

 

[Millhouse]

The kid struggled to 300yds, 75%, and zero interceptions while getting sacked 8 times and scrambling for a couple of yards about the same amount of drop backs. While nursing an injury.

There have been four other games since 2000 with that line, Nassib against URI, Dungey against Colgate, Cent. Conn. St, and BC (2016).

Of course he has to play better, but the hysteria tonight and today is beyond stupid. One thing he didn't do last night was make the huge mistake that took them out of the game.

I do wish there were a little more discussion about how terrible we run the ball

 

[SU94]

I agree and have thought TD>ED at least potentially, but we need to start seeing some positive signs in terms of presence, accuracy, escapability, etc.

You’re honestly questioning DeVito’s accuracy? Wow. He is easily the most accurate passer in school history. If you cannot see that, I cannot help you.

 

[Millhouse]

The kid struggled to 300yds, 75%, and zero interceptions while getting sacked 8 times and scrambling for a couple of yards about the same amount of drop backs. While nursing an injury.

There have been four other games since 2000 with that line, Nassib against URI, Dungey against Colgate, Cent. Conn. St, and BC (2016).

Of course he has to play better, but the hysteria tonight and today is beyond stupid. One thing he didn't do last night was make the huge mistake that took them out of the game.

I'd rather have 65% and fewer sacks. Do the intentional grounding calls count as sacks? They ought to

 

[Crusty]

If you can't block, you can't run. If you can't run, you can't pass. If you can't run or pass, you can't win.
The last really good Oline we had was 7 years ago. Since then we have had no NFL caliber offensive linemen and have had very average line talent. This is probably the main reason for our lack of consistent success.
TD is running for his life all game and the backs have no holes to run through.
The playbook for gaining yardage when the defense spends the afternoon on your side of the los had not yet been written.
We can win 8-10 games when average talent has a few years experience but that doesn't happen often.

Dino knows what he is doing and Devito will learn rapidly. We'll go bowling and build for the future.

To quote Oscar Gamble, “They don't think it be like it is, but it do.”

 

[GoSU96]

I'd rather have 65% and fewer sacks. Do the intentional grounding calls count as sacks? They ought to

Agree with this and the run game. Of course you want that trade, I was expecting a much better quick game than we have seen all year. If you add the actual attempts with the sacks, scrambles, and IG, there were close to 60 drop backs last night. That's ridiculous.

 

[qdawgg]

I really thought he would, but he seems worried to let it go. if you eliminate the dumb throws early in the season that hasnt been an issue. i think its mostly just gun shy from getting hit so much.

A great way to prevent getting hit is throwing the ball instead of holding on to it. So there is more than one factor going on, it’s not just being afraid of getting hit. If that was true he’d throw the ball or run. He had a ton of time last night.

Maybe he wasn’t comfortable making some throws because He was injured, that would make sense. But his ability to read the field is very poor, that’s the biggest issue injured or not and regardless of o-line play.

 

[DoctorBombay]

that was about as good a throwing game as I recall at SU last night.

29-39 for 300. of the 10 in-completions 7x8 were just throw aways and 1 was a deep fade and 1 was a 50 yd pass.

As accurate as you could ever hope.

If teams are going to blitz us so easly then we need to live with it and trust his accuracy and change up that game plan.

those last 2 drives maybe what we have to work with, the way this oline just cant complete a block. not every team has Clemson DBs.

 

[JDemo]

I do wish there were a little more discussion about how terrible we run the ball

Hit the nail on the head.