I'm not finished...two levels?

[BillSU]

“If there are changes we’ll hire the best person we think is there,” Wildhack said at the time. “Are we going to compete where you see some schools paying coordinators seven-figures plus? Multiple (coaches) with seven-figures? No, we’re not going to pay at that level. Can we pay at a competitive level? Yes. I think we can.”

1. So let me see what our football programs future will be according to the above statement by Wildhack. We are going to be competitve with salary but not going to go high enough to compete with the SEC/ACC boys who are getting paid seven figures? I agree they don't deserve it yet. Then how are we, going forward, expected to compete with the top P5 schools?
We can't until this staff is secure under HCDB and produces consistent winning records which is what DB was trying to accomplish and then due to, IMHO, greed, a domino fell.

If Wildhack isn't going to pay then the attractiveness of SU to better coaches/coordinators will be offended by the money offered. People are going to go where they get the most, most of the time which we just observed. That leaves us where we are today searching for a DC and other coaches that HCDB has in mind.

2.Unless Eric Dungey's last year was an anomaly, but it wasn't, it was a year in which we had Dungey and a good O and D. We all saw it October 13, 2017 a good team on a mission expecting themselves to be good and win. And our HC without getting paid millions and coordinators/coaches not even close to Clemson's salary levels had done a GREAT job of preparation and the players played their asses off and we won.

Can we continue to eek out the very best effort every game from every coach at a salary that doesn't match that effort?

Although we are a private university and do not have the federal/state funding to be able to compensate coaches the way public schools with high major football programs can? We are not broke - maybe a little miserly?

Do you think SU is being fair and competitive in these contemporary times in football? How about taking some of the recent $25 million gift and applying some here – the $ was earmarked for the improvement of SU sports, specifically football. We, I thought, were trying to build a better program. A big part of that is obviously hiring quality talented OC's and DC's and coaches who are going to ask for certain compensation. I am disappointed in us in this respect. Any other opinions out there?

 

[Whitey23]

“If there are changes we’ll hire the best person we think is there,” Wildhack said at the time. “Are we going to compete where you see some schools paying coordinators seven-figures plus? Multiple (coaches) with seven-figures? No, we’re not going to pay at that level. Can we pay at a competitive level? Yes. I think we can.”

1. So let me see what our football programs future will be according to the above statement by Wildhack. We are going to be competitve with salary but not going to go high enough to compete with the SEC/ACC boys who are getting paid seven figures? I agree they don't deserve it yet. Then how are we, going forward, expected to compete with the top P5 schools?
We can't until this staff is secure under HCDB and produces consistent winning records which is what DB was trying to accomplish and then due to, IMHO, greed, a domino fell.

If Wildhack isn't going to pay then the attractiveness of SU to better coaches/coordinators will be offended by the money offered. People are going to go where they get the most, most of the time which we just observed. That leaves us where we are today searching for a DC and other coaches that HCDB has in mind.

2.Unless Eric Dungey's last year was an anomaly, but it wasn't, it was a year in which we had Dungey and a good O and D. We all saw it October 13, 2017 a good team on a mission expecting themselves to be good and win. And our HC without getting paid millions and coordinators/coaches not even close to Clemson's salary levels had done a GREAT job of preparation and the players played their asses off and we won.

Can we continue to eek out the very best effort every game from every coach at a salary that doesn't match that effort?

Although we are a private university and do not have the federal/state funding to be able to compensate coaches the way public schools with high major football programs can? We are not broke - maybe a little miserly?

Do you think SU is being fair and competitive in these contemporary times in football? How about taking some of the recent $25 million gift and applying some here – the $ was earmarked for the improvement of SU sports, specifically football. We, I thought, were trying to build a better program. A big part of that is obviously hiring quality talented OC's and DC's and coaches who are going to ask for certain compensation. I am disappointed in us in this respect. Any other opinions out there?

 

[sufandu]

Wildhack agrees we won't be financially competitive with the very top schools. That doesn't mean we won't be competitve with the majority of the P5. There's a broad spectrum of salaries.

 

[Trueblue25]

If we’re willing to offer 900,000 to a 33 year old, that tells me we’ll likely go a bit higher to retain a proven coordinator who performs at Syracuse need be.

Money is not the issue with ADJW.

 

[Cuse12]

Wildhack agrees we won't be financially competitive with the very top schools. That doesn't mean we won't be competitve with the majority of the P5. There's a broad spectrum of salaries.

We need to be realistic. We are not competing with SEC money. If anyone on here is upset about that then they have no idea what reality is here. We are competing with the second tier of college football. The Louisville’s, the Pitts, the Virginia’s, VT’s, UNC etc. We need to try and beat or match the pay grade of that level. We want to be the best of that level first. If we are then that means we are floating in the top 25 frequently, then that means more money, then we can start paying even a little more! So on and so forth. Sorry for the rambling I just think this is common sense. Also, the fact that we were about to pay $900k for a coordinator is a HUGE positive. What a difference from 4+ years ago.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

As an alum, I agree completely with Wildhack.

 

[djorange1989]

not sure what the ACC Network will mean in additional revenue, but we can afford to be competitive with teams not getting SEC/Big 10 money, those are the big dogs because of their TV deals being so far above the other three conferences. obviously other individual schools have their own ticket/gameday/merchandise/radio-streaming deals that add important revenue, but in general, we have the means to pay what a decent chunk of Power 5 schools can pay, we just have to be willing to pay it. We have a hall of fame hoops coach who is like the 38th highest paid coach, and has been a bargain for his entire career. take advantage of that, the next guy isn't giving us that kind of discount.

 

[Alsacs]

We aren’t gong to be stupid. If the coach clearly deserves the money we will pay them.
Our school doesn’t eat, breathe, sleep college football. In the SEC they are insane. If you are an adult and not an idiot you don’t eat, breathe, sleep you realize this is just a sport and not life and death.

I want a competitive team but I don’t want to just pay people just to pay them.
If boosters wants to give the AD insane money for this stuff fine if not we have to be smart.

I don’t believe money is why Arnett left. The school has a lot more money but all P5 teams do now. It’s stupid to just waste money before the coach has proven themselves.

 

[Newhouser]

If $900,000 is the bar for a 30 something who has never led a P5 defense we are in trouble.

 

[Chip]

Wildhack says we’re not going to pay multiple assistants 7 figures. Doesn’t mean we won’t pay one. If you have a HC from one side (offense or defense) it makes sense to go big on the other side.

Not sure why Carlson keeps misinterpreting a direct quote.

 

[sufandu]

Wildhack says we’re not going to pay multiple assistants 7 figures. Doesn’t mean we won’t pay one. If you have a HC from one side (offense or defense) it makes sense to go big on the other side.

Not sure why Carlson keeps misinterpreting a direct quote.

Carlson is gonna Carlson

 

[blizz]

Cognitive dissonance

 

[Trueblue25]

Honestly not sure why anyone has a problem with what adjw said

 

[FrancoPizza]

If $900,000 is the bar for a 30 something who has never led a P5 defense we are in trouble.

no - just means we're all in the wrong profession.

 

[MadNY3]

Not sure why Carlson keeps misinterpreting a direct quote.

Totally agree.

 

[721Comstock]

We quite literally just did compete directly head to head with an SEC school financially.

Apparently it wasn’t the $ - we would have matched their offer.
Douche just “wanted to coach an SEC defense”

(for a year or 2, until they fire the whole staff again for not being able to beat Bama, Auburn, and aTm)

So - false premise is false.

 

[orangenauburn]

That 33 year old has top ten Ds his two years running the defense.

We went to $900k to try to keep him, because he has proven he can be an effective coach, and he was young and potential successor down the line.

Some 50 year old with 15 years experience is not going to get that number if his Ds are ranked in the 40s or 50s

He may get an offer around $700k

 

[OrangeAl]

Does that mean we can get a complete incompetent for about $500k?

 

[orangenauburn]

Does that mean we can get a complete incompetent for about $500k?

You are in luck, I'm here and ready to sign on the dotted line

 

[CuseOnly]

As an alum, I agree completely with Wildhack.

Not an alum and agree with Wildhack.

Now we just need to find the right guy. We.need a bright young up and comer. Find a guy from the FCS ranks or from wherever.

I trust in Dino and he will find the right fit.

 

[Marroniac]

Wildhack says we’re not going to pay multiple assistants 7 figures. Doesn’t mean we won’t pay one. If you have a HC from one side (offense or defense) it makes sense to go big on the other side.

Not sure why Carlson keeps misinterpreting a direct quote.

Here is an honest answer. I interpreted that quote differently the first time I read it. He said we wouldn’t pay multiple coaches 7 figures, he didn’t say assistant coaches. Dino is making 7 figures, so I read that to say we aren’t paying anyone outside our head coach 7 figures.

Not saying I’m right but it’s an explanation.

 

[Chip]

Here is an honest answer. I interpreted that quote differently the first time I read it. He said we wouldn’t pay multiple coaches 7 figures, he didn’t say assistant coaches. Dino is making 7 figures, so I read that to say we aren’t paying anyone outside our head coach 7 figures.

Not saying I’m right but it’s an explanation.

I guess. It followed the coordinator comment but I can see how one could read it that way.

Either way we’re talking about a $900k salary which isn’t 7 figures. Yeah the incentives could just get it over that finish line but you have to assume the incentives pay for themselves. I.e. defense is performing at a level that’s selling more tickets.

 

[Orangejet]

It’s crazy how much money these coaches are making and kind of turning me off. Colleges should start providing players with some money and don’t tell me that their scholarship is worth $X. These days assistant coaches arrive at practice in Mercedes, BMW’s, Audi’s, while most players don’t have a pot to piss in. It’s not right and hoping there will be some type of cap on coaches salaries.

 

[721Comstock]

Here is an honest answer. I interpreted that quote differently the first time I read it. He said we wouldn’t pay multiple coaches 7 figures, he didn’t say assistant coaches. Dino is making 7 figures, so I read that to say we aren’t paying anyone outside our head coach 7 figures.

Not saying I’m right but it’s an explanation.

I think you misread it.
In the context of the entirety of what he said, he implied he was talking about assistants.

And he’s right - we’re not going to pay multiple of them 7 figures, like factory programs like Bama, Clemson, tOSU, etc.

... which in no way means we won’t pay one of them (very low) 7 figures, if that’s what it takes.

He’s already on record stating we’d be willing to pay $900k (plus bonuses, because these guys always have bonuses in their contracts), which means that clearly we were willing to pay at least ONE non-Dino coach a milly.

(or close enough to effectively be so)

 

[orangenauburn]

It’s crazy how much money these coaches are making and kind of turning me off. Colleges should start providing players with some money and don’t tell me that their scholarship is worth $X. These days assistant coaches arrive at practice in Mercedes, BMW’s, Audi’s, while most players don’t have a pot to piss in. It’s not right and hoping there will be some type of cap on coaches salaries.

Depends on the school and player

Some players have better cars than the coaches