i'm officially on team lester for finding dungey

[Millhouse]

What about Boise state against Oklahoma?

Or is that more "time and place"?

of course sometimes they work. overall, i don't like them. especially in college when you have so little practice time. i don't know how boise has the time to practice everything under the sun and work on that stuff too.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

i hate reverses (what most people call double reverses). I don't like slow looping end arounds when a jet sweep could work just as well. I hate when anyone other than the quarterback throws the ball. if an offense had a running back who really knew how to make decisions and make the right pass, i'm ok with it but if you have that guy, it shouldn't be a trick, it should be a regular part of your offense.

when they fail (and when they fail they fail spectacularly), i think they're very demoralizing to your offense.

i don't know where any data is on this, it's just my gut feeling

I look at it a little different. I would like to see more players throw the ball. It would be a controlled chaos. I think it can be done, nobody has adopted it yet.

The way football is played now it would be like if you only had certain players in basketball permitted to dribble.

 

[Millhouse]

I look at it a little different. I would like to see more players throw the ball. It would be a controlled chaos. I think it can be done, nobody has adopted it yet.

The way football is played now it would be like if you only had certain players in basketball permitted to dribble.

it wouldn't be a trick play then if it's really a part of your offense. antwaan randle-el should've thrown more. otoh, brad smith was terrible trying to throw passes. (maybe smith was always terrible at throwing passes)

i don't want to waste practice time on stuff we're not going to repeat.

 

[TheCusian]

of course sometimes they work. overall, i don't like them. especially in college when you have so little practice time. i don't know how boise has the time to practice everything under the sun and work on that stuff too.

I think this is where you see what his system makes being creative easier. If you look at how we are lined up, looks like any other play. Bringing the WR or XB across the formation with the QB is a normal occurrence in this offense too. Giving it to the XB is within the offense. The only wrinkle is the throw.

Now I didn't love that play call - and I'm with you on WR passing/decision making. But I don't think it's that hard to practice and because it looks like a standard play most of the way. You're saying: everyone run the play except WR/XB pull up and look deep.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

it wouldn't be a trick play then if it's really a part of your offense.

Well, that is true. It would be known as a "trick" offense though.

 

[wfschrec]

of course sometimes they work. overall, i don't like them. especially in college when you have so little practice time. i don't know how boise has the time to practice everything under the sun and work on that stuff too.

Well they didn't break it out until bowl game which means you had an entire season of reps and then the extra 15 practices to sneak something in ... my suspicion is you wouldn't see that in a regular season game unless something like a playoff birth was on the line.

 

[Millhouse]

Well they didn't break it out until bowl game which means you had an entire season of reps and then the extra 15 practices to sneak something in ... my suspicion is you wouldn't see that in a regular season game unless something like a playoff birth was on the line.

good point

i have a totally baseless idea that peterson just ignored practice limits too. how did they have time to run everything under the sun so well? why hasn't it happened in washington yet?

 

[Alsacs]

i hate reverses (what most people call double reverses). I don't like slow looping end arounds when a jet sweep could work just as well. I hate when anyone other than the quarterback throws the ball. if an offense had a running back who really knew how to make decisions and make the right pass, i'm ok with it but if you have that guy, it shouldn't be a trick, it should be a regular part of your offense.

when they fail (and when they fail they fail spectacularly), i think they're very demoralizing to your offense.

i don't know where any data is on this, it's just my gut feeling

Belichick said this very thing in his Do Your Job documentary he said he went 11 years without anyone other than Brady(when he was healthy or not a blowout) throwing the ball. With the logic why would I want to use a trick play when I got the best QB throwing balls. They showed the last trick play the Patriots ran was a WR throwing an end around and throwing an INT and saying enough of that let Brady throw it. Of course they used a double pass in the playoffs last year but he said only do that stuff every decade or so.