In an attempt to make this look not quite so bad

[pearl31]

Not saying the circumstances or the competition or the team are the same. But still, take a look at this stretch put up by the 2010-11 team:

 

[pearl31]

Addendum...
that team had a better inside presence (senior Rick Jackson, Freshman Fab Melo) but arguably had a less potent/productive backcourt (Scoop, Triche and Waiters who was in the doghouse most of that season basically until the post-season).
Anyway, that team with comparable talent/prospects/daunting schedule was in a prolonged deep funk and righted the ship and made the tourney.
:noidea:
Let's see what happens.

 

[AZOrange]

Addendum... that team had a better inside presence (senior Rick Jackson, Freshman Fab Melo) but arguably had a less potent/productive backcourt (Scoop, Triche and Waiters who was in the doghouse most of that season basically until the post-season). Anyway, that team with comparable talent/prospects/daunting schedule was in a prolonged deep funk and righted the ship and made the tourney. :noidea: Let's see what happens.

I'd take that backcourt over this one any day

 

[pearl31]

I'd take that backcourt over this one any day

Maybe, and I'd have to compare the numbers, and I recognize there's certainly a stronger PG presence with that backcourt, but I feel like this '15-'16 backcourt at least has more firepower.

 

[CorduroyG]

#3 ranking when that streak started, much more margin for error than this year. that was an awful stretch though. impressive they were able to get a 3 seed despite losing 6 out of 8.

 

[pearl31]

#3 ranking when that streak started, much more margin for error than this year. that was an awful stretch though. impressive they were able to get a 3 seed despite losing 6 out of 8.

sure, but if you look at the quality of that team's pre-conf wins it's about the same as this year's. Obviously a couple of bad losses pre-conf this year compared to none that year. And that team was ranked so highly because of how good the previous year's team was, and a somewhat deceptive "big" win early in the season vs an overrated Mich St team.
I just think the overall talent/potential of that team and this team are at least comparable.

 

[Scotch]

Not saying the circumstances or the competition or the team are the same. But still, take a look at this stretch put up by the 2010-11 team:
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Big East was LOADED that year.

 

[Alsacs]

Give me Scoop, Triche, Waiters ALL DAY LONG and TWICE ON SUNDAY. If we could have that backcourt we wouldn't be on the bubble come March.

 

[br801]

Give me Scoop, Triche, Waiters ALL DAY LONG and TWICE ON SUNDAY. If we could have that backcourt we wouldn't be on the bubble come March.

That was the knucklehead freshman Dion, remember. Not sure how that would work out if you could plug those three in for our two 5th year guards.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Dion barely played that year.

Triche was good, but he went through a cold stretch in that streak. I remember scoop being so bad in that seton hall game that some publications suggested he was shaving points. That seton hall game was at the Dome and has to be the worst loss we have had in the past ten years besides DePaul.

Those guys could all go to the hoop and handle the ball, but none of them are beating Mike or Trevor in a shooting contest.

 

[rrlbees]

Give me Scoop, Triche, Waiters ALL DAY LONG and TWICE ON SUNDAY. If we could have that backcourt we wouldn't be on the bubble come March.

Still no inside presence on defense or offense which is our biggest problem.

 

[Alsacs]

Dion barely played that year.

Triche was good, but he went through a cold stretch in that streak. I remember scoop being so bad in that seton hall game that some publications suggested he was shaving points. That seton hall game was at the Dome and has to be the worst loss we have had in the past ten years besides DePaul.

Those guys could all go to the hoop and handle the ball, but none of them are beating Mike or Trevor in a shooting contest.

Dion played 16.3 mpg that season. He was definitely a rotation player. He wasn't Sophomore Waiters but the guy played. Dion's PER was 12.7 that is solid for a 3rd guard.

Triche averaged 12.7 ppg and 3 apg on 35% from 3 and had a PER of 15.9

Scoop averaged 12.5 ppf and 5.9 apg on 36% from 3 and had a PER of 16.0

Those guards are a lot better than our 3 guards this year.

 

[pearl31]

Dion played 16.3 mpg that season. He was definitely a rotation player. He wasn't Sophomore Waiters but the guy played. Dion's PER was 12.7 that is solid for a 3rd guard.

Triche averaged 12.7 ppg and 3 apg on 35% from 3 and had a PER of 15.9

Scoop averaged 12.5 ppf and 5.9 apg on 36% from 3 and had a PER of 16.0

Those guards are a lot better than our 3 guards this year.

And those numbers are cumulative for that whole season, right? Not just the first 1/3 or so?

 

[Alsacs]

And those numbers are cumulative for that whole season, right? Not just the first 1/3 or so?

We aren't in the first 1/3 or so we have played 17 of 31 games. That is over 1/2 the season and the stats aren't going to change that much in conference as we play at a slow tempo. Our guards are the strength of this year's team but I believe its fairly obvious the 2011 guards were better.
People can disagree but I would take 2011 without hesitating.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We aren't in the first 1/3 or so we have played 17 of 31 games. That is over 1/2 the season and the stats aren't going to change that much in conference as we play at a slow tempo. Our guards are the strength of this year's team but I believe its fairly obvious the 2011 guards were better.
People can disagree but I would take 2011 without hesitating.

I dont disagree that on the whole they may have necessarily been better, but they were not good during that 8 game stretch, especially scoop. That Seton Hall game was worse than any loss we have had this year. Maybe there is some hope?

The biggest difference in those two teams is definately Rick
Jackson. I'd take him over Roberson any day.

 

[Alsacs]

I dont disagree that on the whole they may have necessarily been better, but they were not good during that 8 game stretch, especially scoop. That Seton Hall game was worse than any loss we have had this year. Maybe there is some hope?

The biggest difference in those two teams is definately Rick
Jackson. I'd take him over Roberson any day.

I agree with that premise. That Hall game was an outlier though they started off ridiculous from 3. They came out and couldn't miss a shot. I think the St. John's loss this year was worse. That team scored 48 against Wagner the game before and lost to Incarnate Word by 22 after the Syracuse wi.

 

[MSOrange]

I dont disagree that on the whole they may have necessarily been better, but they were not good during that 8 game stretch, especially scoop. That Seton Hall game was worse than any loss we have had this year. Maybe there is some hope?

The biggest difference in those two teams is definately Rick
Jackson. I'd take him over Roberson any day.

I remember I was at a team outing at my manager's officer the night of the Seton Hall game. They had ESPN on to watch some Kansas game. It was such a struggle trying to keep my composure while the score update kept scrolling at the bottom of the screen.

 

[bballbeadle]

Not saying the circumstances or the competition or the team are the same. But still, take a look at this stretch put up by the 2010-11 team:
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Seriously, are you trying to give me PTSD?

 

[NineOneSeven]

I don't see a comparison at all.

 

[pearl31]

I don't see a comparison at all.

Of course you don't. The season was over two weeks ago and what's the point.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Of course you don't. The season was over two weeks ago and what's the point.

Haha. Unreal.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Maybe, and I'd have to compare the numbers, and I recognize there's certainly a stronger PG presence with that backcourt, but I feel like this '15-'16 backcourt at least has more firepower.

numbers lie. guards have alot greater responsibility than just filling up a box score.

 

[pearl31]

Haha. Unreal.

Indeed.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Maybe, and I'd have to compare the numbers, and I recognize there's certainly a stronger PG presence with that backcourt, but I feel like this '15-'16 backcourt at least has more firepower.

Not in practice. Both guards have to be making shots for this tandam to match Scoop/Triche/Dion.

 

[poc44]

Is scoops uncle betting on this years team too?