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Isn't it more than a little disturbing that we do not have a top 40 defense or face-off recruit? Obviously Ty Xanders' lists are not the end all be all but you would think we would be on there somewhere. Especially the FOGO list where we really need somebody and the stats can tell a lot of the story.
*EDIT* - It's only a list of 20 FOGOs. But still rather disturbing.
Also, regarding defensemen in the class, Jack Kennedy was injured for a while I believe and we all like how Brett is doing at SU, so I would hold of on writing off Jack.
The lack of a face off guy in the top 20 is not good. I'm curious how the 2019 fogos are.
Not really, Thornton appears to be a good fogo prospect and our D recruits were off playing other sports rather than the club circuit . We shall seeIsn't it more than a little disturbing that we do not have a top 40 defense or face-off recruit? Obviously Ty Xanders' lists are not the end all be all but you would think we would be on there somewhere. Especially the FOGO list where we really need somebody and the stats can tell a lot of the story.
*EDIT* - It's only a list of 20 FOGOs. But still rather disturbing.
There is almost nothing on the web about Aviles. Considering he's coming from a Long Island powerhouse, I would expect something if he was a particularly good prospect, but nothing.I have heard good things about Aviles from someone who saw him this summer but as we all know its a crap shoot until they got on campus and go against other high end guys. Perhaps a guy like Thornton the only FOGO in this current class can surprise. Despite some improvement late in the year clearly FOGO is again a major ? and so is the potential depth at the position.
I have heard good things about Aviles from someone who saw him this summer but as we all know its a crap shoot until they got on campus and go against other high end guys. Perhaps a guy like Thornton the only FOGO in this current class can surprise. Despite some improvement late in the year clearly FOGO is again a major ? and so is the potential depth at the position.
There is almost nothing on the web about Aviles. Considering he's coming from a Long Island powerhouse, I would expect something if he was a particularly good prospect, but nothing.
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Regarding Verch, I have never seen him play, however I would put VERY little stock in the NY All State team. Does anyone know how that works? How do players get nominated and who votes? 1st team all long island is a nice accolade. Newsday says he an LSM. Is he dynamic in the middle of the field, causing turnovers, scooping GBs and starting transition? That's what Xanders and IL like.
"Xanders must *have*"
It wouldn't be the first time in an IL ranking where they just FORGOT about someone. You can see in some prior years they have to add a player as #82b in their top 100 incoming freshmen. I think Derek Maltz might've been one they forgot then added after the fact. You'd think they have enough eyes in house looking at it now to avoid such an occurrence.As I wrote, Xanders and Inside Lacrosse, both had Verch ranked in the 60's in the rising seniors last fall.
To put things in context, being in the top 40 defensemen is perhaps equivalent to being in the top 150 players, if even that, so he essentially dropped from the 60's to worse than 150.
Just stating an opinion on what looks anomalous to me, which contributes to the credibility of the authors of the ranking.
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No reason to drop other than he's not as good as they originally thought, because they've almost never seen him play???I couldn't really see reason for him to drop. No news of major injury, only positive stuff.
When you look at Max Verch's recruit page on Inside Lacrosse, it is rather empty:
Max Verch's Inside Lacrosse recruiting profile
Sort of like he is the forgotten man, and here they had him ranked in the 60's last fall.
It makes sense. IL and Xanders can't evaluate someone who they don't see play. And they don't get out much in the spring, so if a HS player isn't showing up every week on the club and Maverik/UA circuit, they may get overlooked.Meaningless at this point, 18's will find where they truly stand soon enough . Listening to two parents of D1 kids from different teams last year the unranked is as good or arguably better but visibility limited to hs play. Parent of ranked yaps about summer costing over 10k for travel club circuit, attending sponsored events and privates etc then asks the other parent what they did with son. Response was priceless, kid made 4k working at beach restaurant, surfs on off days.
No reason to drop other than he's not as good as they originally thought, because they've almost never seen him play???
A lot of the recruiting pages are empty. How many kids have they actually evaluated? Maybe 80 per class?
Not as weak as complaining about the drop in ranking of a recruit who you've never seen play. Your opinion was that they forgot him. Great, I look forward to future analysis from you.The 80 or so recruits who went regularly to their events.
Anyways, I have just pointed the details out and given my opinion upon it, and thought others might find it interesting. You are free to make up your own mind, although your replies seem a little weak to me.
Max Verch is coming to UMd this fall, and I will look at him as a very good recruit regardless of the lack of ranking. In general, I would look at any All Long Island player as a very good recruit. At UMd, we have an All-American defenseman, Curtis Corley, returning, who was not ranked at all by Inside Lacrosse.
Certainly, it is reasonable to be skeptical about the All-NY team. It seems to favor players on the winners, that is teams that went far in the state playoffs, along with seniors. But...is there not also good reason to be skeptical about the Inside Lacrosse's rankings?
Not as weak as complaining about the drop in ranking of a recruit who you've never seen play. Your opinion was that they forgot him. Great, I look forward to future analysis from you.
Maryland has been great lately, and I would have the same mindset you have regarding recruits that are coming in.