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Is Benny's future at PF, not SF?

Idk man I think there is something there. Very similar size and build. Both have a lot of bounce but are lacking in shooting and ball handling. I think Benny has the potential to come close to Tylers board production with a little more D1 experience. Definitely more likely to match Tyler's boards than he is Hakim or someone else's points.
Rebounding is a skill set that Roberson (when he was on his game) had mastered really, really well. See 21 rebounds at Cameron. I haven’t seen those skills (yet) from Benny, hopefully he gets there if that’s the direction his game goes.
 
Seeing him in the first half yesterday, that was a thought that occurred to me.

He's skinny now, but maybe his best path forward is to bulk up a little and be a nimble jumping jack type of 4 -- kind of like Florida's Alex Tyus a couple of years ago -- instead of as a 3, with his limited handle / shooting.
At SU he can be either. In the NBA he would really need to be stronger for pf, even for small forward he would need to get stronger. He's young, plenty of time to grow into the frame. He may be a work in progress, but he is the kind of player who will develop, get it and be a star. I would be surprised if I am wrong about that.
 
Definitely more of an inside out player than outside in
 
He ruined the Boeheim families special season. JB gave him an extremely important role on this years team first forward off the bench with no one to compete with and he let his HOF coach down.
He hasn't given up and the coach and team haven't given up on him. Still a chance at a Disney ending.
 
How does he do anything? He maybe gets to come in at the 9-11 min mark with Symir and Frank. Gets 2-4 min and taken out no matter what.
Then doesn’t get to come in at all in 2nd half.

How could anyone do anything in that type of playing time? Even the best players in college ball would have trouble getting going like that.

Even when he makes a good play like blocking and taking the ball on defense he still doesn’t earn anymore minutes.

Not to mention the constant head games JB plays with him.
 
How does he do anything? He maybe gets to come in at the 9-11 min mark with Symir and Frank. Gets 2-4 min and taken out no matter what.
Then doesn’t get to come in at all in 2nd half.

How could anyone do anything in that type of playing time? Even the best players in college ball would have trouble getting going like that.

Even when he makes a good play like blocking and taking the ball on defense he still doesn’t earn anymore minutes.

Not to mention the constant head games JB plays with him.

He’s averaging 13ppg. You’re only looking at the latest games where games have become more important. When he had his chances with much more time, he didn’t take advantage of it.
 
He’s averaging 13ppg. You’re only looking at the latest games where games have become more important. When he had his chances with much more time, he didn’t take advantage of it.
Defensively he has been pretty good for a Freshman.
Per 40mpg he is right behind Jesse in Blocks and right behind Girard in steals. He is actually tied for 2nd on the team still with his low minute totals for blocks.

His offense needs a lot of work but his contributions this year could be his length and athleticism in the zone. Which is what we are sorely lacking.

It’s a balancing act only Boeheim has control of. Do we play offense with limited defense or defense with limited offense. Neither are ideal.
 
He’s averaging 13ppg. You’re only looking at the latest games where games have become more important. When he had his chances with much more time, he didn’t take advantage of it.
As the late, great Igor would have said, Benny's been Boeheimed. Not too many players survive that. Once he gets with his people this summer away from JB, he's long gone, especially if all three sons come back. He's obv smart enough to say publicly that all is well, etc. But nothing said publicly by anyone is to be believed at face value. I can just imagine what Igor would have to say about Benny getting Boeheimed.
 
Seeing him in the first half yesterday, that was a thought that occurred to me.

He's skinny now, but maybe his best path forward is to bulk up a little and be a nimble jumping jack type of 4 -- kind of like Florida's Alex Tyus a couple of years ago -- instead of as a 3, with his limited handle / shooting.

The 3 vs 4 don’t mean a damn thing at Syracuse.

This year, it’s defined as which side will let up the open corner three and on offense…who watches for 20 seconds and launches a three with five left on the shot clock.
 
Benny is a talented player who would be thriving if coach allowed him time on the court and to play through his mistakes. Yes, Benny is overthinking and looks uncomfortable, but only because he knows he needs to be perfect or will get yanked. We've had players who excelled when allowed to play through mistakes because there was no backup. What frustrates me is that Coach will allow certain guys to make mistakes, he might yell at them but not pull them. Some of the gaffes by Swider, Girard and the Angel Sons would drive Coach up the wall if the names were Roberson, Howard, and the recent transfers. I can't wait for Boeheim's retirement so that we can get a new look, a fresh start - even if there's a rough restart /beginning. I'm just so disappointed in seeing a hall of fame coach being allowed to destroy a once great program over the past few years and the silly notion that he can do whatever he wants and leave when he wants because he deserves it.
 
He ruined the Boeheim families special season. JB gave him an extremely important role on this years team first forward off the bench with no one to compete with and he let his HOF coach down.
The fact he has no one to compete with is JB's fault. Dont put all your eggs in the basket of someone who has not arrived on campus.

Either retain any of the following, Griffin, Guerrier, Brazwell or Newton.

Develop JBA to be a reliable contributer by year 3 or add another player after missing out on Arthur Kaluma.

JB had plenty of options and time to not be in this situation, yet here we are.
 
Benny is a talented player who would be thriving if coach allowed him time on the court and to play through his mistakes. Yes, Benny is overthinking and looks uncomfortable, but only because he knows he needs to be perfect or will get yanked. We've had players who excelled when allowed to play through mistakes because there was no backup. What frustrates me is that Coach will allow certain guys to make mistakes, he might yell at them but not pull them. Some of the gaffes by Swider, Girard and the Angel Sons would drive Coach up the wall if the names were Roberson, Howard, and the recent transfers. I can't wait for Boeheim's retirement so that we can get a new look, a fresh start - even if there's a rough restart /beginning. I'm just so disappointed in seeing a hall of fame coach being allowed to destroy a once great program over the past few years and the silly notion that he can do whatever he wants and leave when he wants because he deserves it.
If Benny came in as a 3 star would you be complaining about him not getting playing time after watching his contributions early in the year? I think the expectations are out of wack for him considering it’s all based on his recruiting rating. He sometimes has a flash of good, but then he falls into the same bad we’ve seen game after game: hanging at the 3 point line, turning the ball over, taking bad foul line jumpers. Yes, other players do that but they also hit that foul line jumper, use their (limited) athleticism to get inside and play where they should be (JG and buddy outside, Jimmy somewhat inside, Cole in the corner, Jesse down low, Symir distributing). With Benny's athleticism he should be getting boards and getting inside, instead he constantly backs off drives and gets bodied down low by 3s who are 2-3 inches shorter than him.
 
If Benny came in as a 3 star would you be complaining about him not getting playing time after watching his contributions early in the year? I think the expectations are out of wack for him considering it’s all based on his recruiting rating. He sometimes has a flash of good, but then he falls into the same bad we’ve seen game after game: hanging at the 3 point line, turning the ball over, taking bad foul line jumpers. Yes, other players do that but they also hit that foul line jumper, use their (limited) athleticism to get inside and play where they should be (JG and buddy outside, Jimmy somewhat inside, Cole in the corner, Jesse down low, Symir distributing). With Benny's athleticism he should be getting boards and getting inside, instead he constantly backs off drives and gets bodied down low by 3s who are 2-3 inches shorter than him.
I think this is a good point - watching his game I don't see how he was rated so highly coming in. It seems more often than not our highest ranked guys come in and don't look like they were ranked correctly. Obviously a limited sample size but his shot and handle don't look elite at all.
 
Yep..He’s thinking waaaaay too much. I’m sure some of that is the zone and simply not understanding where to be and if he’s in the wrong spot, he’ll get pulled etc, but he needs just let it go
 
I think this is a good point - watching his game I don't see how he was rated so highly coming in. It seems more often than not our highest ranked guys come in and don't look like they were ranked correctly. Obviously a limited sample size but his shot and handle don't look elite at all.
I actually think the truly elite guys almost always work work out (Flynn, ennis, fab, Richardson, Battle etc.) it’s those middle of the top 100 to low top 100 guys that struggle to adapt (which is expected honestly). They’ve hit some diamonds in the rough in guys like Quincy, Marek, Oshae who come in and compete right away but that’s out of the ordinary for 60-150 guys. I think JB does a good job with recognizing and preparing elite talent, but struggles to get those could-be-great guys to be truly special.
 
Defensively he has been pretty good for a Freshman.
Per 40mpg he is right behind Jesse in Blocks and right behind Girard in steals. He is actually tied for 2nd on the team still with his low minute totals for blocks.

His offense needs a lot of work but his contributions this year could be his length and athleticism in the zone. Which is what we are sorely lacking.

It’s a balancing act only Boeheim has control of. Do we play offense with limited defense or defense with limited offense. Neither are ideal.
This is what makes it more frustrating, IMO.

It’s one thing if Bennys skill set was repetitive with our strengths. Let’s say he was a good shooter but nothing else was working for him. Then I think we’d all understand the lack of PT, because we don’t need shooting as much. But the fact that he offers things no one else on the roster can at the forward position, makes you think he should at least get some run
 
If Benny came in as a 3 star would you be complaining about him not getting playing time after watching his contributions early in the year? I think the expectations are out of wack for him considering it’s all based on his recruiting rating. He sometimes has a flash of good, but then he falls into the same bad we’ve seen game after game: hanging at the 3 point line, turning the ball over, taking bad foul line jumpers. Yes, other players do that but they also hit that foul line jumper, use their (limited) athleticism to get inside and play where they should be (JG and buddy outside, Jimmy somewhat inside, Cole in the corner, Jesse down low, Symir distributing). With Benny's athleticism he should be getting boards and getting inside, instead he constantly backs off drives and gets bodied down low by 3s who are 2-3 inches shorter than him.
Tough to say he's taking bad shots when he's taken a grand total of 24 of them since the start of December. Buddy has taken 33% more shots than that this week. Benny is however shooting a spectacular 100% from the line during that time though!
 
I think this is a good point - watching his game I don't see how he was rated so highly coming in. It seems more often than not our highest ranked guys come in and don't look like they were ranked correctly. Obviously a limited sample size but his shot and handle don't look elite at all.
I believe the recruiting rankings are more NBA potential based than anything. You can see why he would be ranked high, based on a 2 or 3 year development path because if he can develop actual basketball skills to match the physical gifts then you have a helluva player.

For a lot of guys though, the rankings never translate to any kind of college bball success. Some do absolutely nothing and leave and are drafted anyway because NBA front offices are still seeing the same lump of clay like the 247 guys were.
 
Tough to say he's taking bad shots when he's taken a grand total of 24 of them since the start of December. Buddy has taken 33% more shots than that this week. Benny is however shooting a spectacular 100% from the line during that time though!
Considering I only recall seeing him take it to the rim once despite his quickness being his best skill set, it makes his jumpers stick out more.
 
If he plays with the 3 guards and Jesse, all he needs to do is screen and cut to the basket
crash the glass on attempted 3s
cut to the basket when Jesse is double teamed and trying to score
but he doesnt seem to take to that style and wants to float around the perimeter and shoot mid range
 
If he plays with the 3 guards and Jesse, all he needs to do is screen and cut to the basket
crash the glass on attempted 3s
cut to the basket when Jesse is double teamed and trying to score
but he doesnt seem to take to that style and wants to float around the perimeter and shoot mid range
That's what it looks like. On defense he seems to like contact and physical play.
 
Something I heard the other day makes me think it's highly unlikely he's back. I guess that could change but a lot would have to change on our end.
 

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