Is it time to go to DEFCON 1??

[thenug211]

Now granted, I wasn't an English major at SU, but I seem to recall literary devices like metaphors and idioms to be useful for drawing comparisons between things that, while not exactly alike, share similar themes or characteristics. Not for declaring them to be exact equivalents. Surely the original poster wasn't suggesting that college basketball fortunes are equal in gravity to nuclear war. Given the state of things as of late, and judging by sentiments on this board and heard amongst Syracuse fans in general, I don't think his word choice was wrong or inappropriate.

Thanks, obviously I wasn’t Being literal. I think everyone’s level of sensitivity is elevated these days. Especially, many special people who have been ver close to the program for a longtime. certainly, didn’t mean to be inappropriate, my apologies CTO.

 

[CuseCPT]

I don't think you have anything to apologize for.

 

[DaCuse]

 

[kcsu]

I am not saying the original poster is over-dramatic, but here are two handy definitions for those who may not be familiar with his choice of words. Somehow, I don't think college basketball is the equivalent of nuclear war -- or the rise of Julius Caesar

DEFCON 1 would only happen when nuclear war is imminent, or if there is a severe threat against the US or if a missile is coming towards us. Basically, DEFCON 1 means that the US is completely ready for anything, it means that nuclear war is going to happen.

The phrase "crossing the Rubicon" refers to any individual or group committing itself irrevocably to a risky or revolutionary course of action. (Julius Caesar's crossing the Rubicon river on January 10, 49 BC precipitated the Roman Civil War, which ultimately led to Caesar's becoming dictator and the rise of the imperial era of Rome).

Not that it will happen but is probable. Like the further decline of the program.

 

[CuseNickens]

It's like Bobby Bowden. FSU could not figure out the correct way to get rid of him and they suffered for years because of it. We cannot figure out how to.get rid of JB and are suffering through our 7th consecutive mediocre regular season. The miracle NCAA runs in 16 and 18 are camouflaging it and were a band aid and obscured the reality of the situation.

While I would never root against Syracuse, a 3 or 4 win ACC year and a losing season isn't the worst thing in the world. That would grab attention nationally and not just from the local die hards that have seen this coming for a few years. It would have to put some pressure on Wildhack to make a move. I'd rather have that, then a mild turn around, close to .500 ACC record and going to the NIT. Go big or go home.

 

[kcsu]

While I would never root against Syracuse, a 3 or 4 win ACC year and a losing season isn't the worst thing in the world. That would grab attention nationally and not just from the local die hards that have seen this coming for a few years. It would have to put some pressure on Wildhack to make a move. I'd rather have that, then a mild turn around, close to .500 ACC record and going to the NIT. Go big or go home.

Sometimes you just have to pull the bandaid off although im not sure that a total collapse would be enough. Jim will get the remainder of this year and next which barring a miracle season will be his last.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don’t think anyone thinks JB is trying to tank the season. I think people are rightly questioning his use of Buddy and Joe as the two primary guards. Kadary isn’t going to get better sitting on the bench. He showed his promise when Buddy was out with COVID and needs time on the floor to grow without worrying about betting Boeheimed. And, FWIW, all teams are dealing with the virus, so that excuse doesn’t hold water. As far as ‘undermining the entire season’, well, welcome to the Syracusefan board

Buddy deserves to play 30+ (but not 38+) minutes. He's our best guard.
Joe is not. He's not one of our two best guards, either.
Kadary has some weaknesses, but he's way better defensively, and he's pretty good in the open floor.

 

[SBU72]

Actually a part of the situation IS the schools fault. When Hopkins left, the school should have held JB to his word and made him retire. They had 1 (?) year to identify possible replacements and begin interviewing at the end of the season. Since Hop was gone, JB could have been allowed to take part in that process, or not.

 

[Gotothehole]

Buddy deserves to play 30+ (but not 38+) minutes. He's our best guard.
Joe is not. He's not one of our two best guards, either.
Kadary has some weaknesses, but he's way better defensively, and he's pretty good in the open floors do

That’s the problem where is his back up or competition? Both need to go

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Actually a part of the situation IS the schools fault. When Hopkins left, the school should have held JB to his word and made him retire. They had 1 (?) year to identify possible replacements and begin interviewing at the end of the season. Since Hop was gone, JB could have been allowed to take part in that process, or not.

Maybe Wildhack decided in 2017 that JB was still the best candidate for the job.

Better than Red.

Better than an outsider.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Maybe Wildhack decided in 2017 that JB was still the best candidate for the job.

Better than Red.

Better than an outsider.

What about Billy Donovan or Jay Wright?

 

[Alsacs]

What about Billy Donovan or Jay Wright?

He announced the extension right when MH left and JB had that PC a few days later.

So JW went with JB extension to save recruiting.
MH wasn’t an idiot for leaving when he did. Look at the roster he would have inherited.

 

[realorange]

Pitt hasn't played since the last time they played us.

But they had Champagnie this time.

 

[realorange]

So what is our excuse?

Poor team play along with limited big men to make this team something besides wannabe three point specialists.

Right now, just based on what we've seen, JGIII should not be starting. I'd also give Griffin a short leash until he decides to play more of a team game and to quit thinking he has a great handle.

Glad to see Braswell get more time. Once he gets more confidence, he will be a huge asset to the team. He and Kadray should be spending more minutes on the floor. Both are better defenders than the ones they are replacing.

All of that plus the fact this team is at a December level of readiness with the amount of practice they've lost. They have the potential to be better than we;ve seen.

 

[HoustonCuse]

It would be received with a polite, non-committal stock response, thanking you for you interest in Syracuse sports.

And then tossed in the shredder. View attachment 194780

As you should all hope it would be. Even if the idea of such a letter were absolutely correct, do you really want an athletic department that responds to fan board whims on such things? No matter how frustrated you feel at this moment, you must be able to see what a boiling stew of emotional insanity this place is. Wildhack and JB both have access to the same data about program performance that we do and they will either act upon that data or not based on their judgement. But to suggest that anyone should make real world decisions based on what is said or felt here is lunacy. Of course everyone knows this already and threads like this are just blowing off steam but it actually seems like some of these responses think this is reasonable. If SU conducted things that way, we’d be on our 27th basketball coach since 1980.

 

[bozophobe]

I'll try to explain. It means that after 40+ years of building this program and taking it to tremendous heights, while simultaneously becoming the very face of said program, that he has at the very least "earned the right", not to mention respect, consideration, courtesy, to call his own shot.
Again, that's a theoretical perspective that can be adjusted, should we go 7-23 or something calamitous like that. But as of right now, he has in fact earned that right. JMHO

Thanks for the sincere response.

That sentiment promotes an unclear exceptionalism to Coach Boeheim's authority somehow, and would only serve to undermine the authority of Wildhack, ultimately. It might be one thing for the A.D. to ask Coach's opinion for the future, but in the end, Wildhack needs to retain the capacity to clean house, if he sees fit to do so.

 

[Cusefan69]

Thanks for the sincere response.

That sentiment promotes an unclear exceptionalism to Coach Boeheim's authority somehow, and would only serve to undermine the authority of Wildhack, ultimately. It might be one thing for the A.D. to ask Coach's opinion for the future, but in the end, Wildhack needs to retain the capacity to clean house, if he sees fit to do so.

^^^Agreed. Fans tend to romanticize their relationships with programs, players and coaches. All fan bases do it. JB built this program in Syracuse. He is a Hall of Famer. He has made millions. That said he doesn't have free reign to do whatever, he still is 100% accountable to his leadership and he still needs to perform. JW I am sure is/will navigate this as is appropriate.

 

[thenug211]

As you should all hope it would be. Even if the idea of such a letter were absolutely correct, do you really want an athletic department that responds to fan board whims on such things? No matter how frustrated you feel at this moment, you must be able to see what a boiling stew of emotional insanity this place is. Wildhack and JB both have access to the same data about program performance that we do and they will either act upon that data or not based on their judgement. But to suggest that anyone should make real world decisions based on what is said or felt here is lunacy. Of course everyone knows this already and threads like this are just blowing off steam but it actually seems like some of these responses think this is reasonable. If SU conducted things that way, we’d be on our 27th basketball coach since 1980.

Meh...you make some good points but JB hasn’t acted on obvious data points in years. I have a fair amount of experience with SU...from my student days to a season ticket holder to a donor and the one thing they respond to is a hit to their wallet. Clearly, that will doesn’t exist yet amongst the faithful but time will tell if their are legs to this groundswell of fatigue with the poor trajectory of this progra.

 

[orangecuse]

I'm surprised we don't get sued by the ACC for bait and switch (literalists take note, that was sarcasm). When we came on board they thought they were "buying" a powerhouse program from the Big East and what they got was whatever you want to call how we have been playing over the past few years . . . what I would categorize as mediocre and still slip sliding away. It's a damn shame.

Ha. We've gone from that Johnny Manziel 25-0 "gonna wreck this league" attitude to...wrecking our own reputation.

 

[SBU72]

Maybe Wildhack decided in 2017 that JB was still the best candidate for the job.

Better than Red.

Better than an outsider.

He could have held off with the extension, but 2017-18 was the Sweet 16 so JB would have gotten the extension anyways despite "everybody" here knowing it was an aberration. The old 20/20 hindsight.

 

[HOFCeluck]

He came back weeks early from a serious injury! We can’t get our offensively challenged center back from arthritis

We got our defensively challenged point guard back from diabetes, high cholesterol and sleep apnea though.

People forget that.

 

[Ghost]

Somebody wake me when we reach DEFCON 2

We're so slow and unathletic, we could use some fast pace

 

[kcsu]

Maybe Wildhack decided in 2017 that JB was still the best candidate for the job.

Better than Red.

Better than an outsider.

Or maybe as a brand new AD given the amazing job JB pulled off on Hop and the timing he didnt have any real option.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Or maybe as a brand new AD given the amazing job JB pulled off on Hop and the timing he didnt have any real option.

It's amazing that you think JB is the most incompetent coach in D1, yet simultaneously he was able to mastermind a criminal conspiracy to stay in power.

Tell us again how JB was able to convince Hop's father to catch Alzheimer's to put this whole scheme in motion?

 

[Halfmooncuse]

I am not saying the original poster is over-dramatic, but here are two handy definitions for those who may not be familiar with his choice of words. Somehow, I don't think college basketball is the equivalent of nuclear war -- or the rise of Julius Caesar

DEFCON 1 would only happen when nuclear war is imminent, or if there is a severe threat against the US or if a missile is coming towards us. Basically, DEFCON 1 means that the US is completely ready for anything, it means that nuclear war is going to happen.

The phrase "crossing the Rubicon" refers to any individual or group committing itself irrevocably to a risky or revolutionary course of action. (Julius Caesar's crossing the Rubicon river on January 10, 49 BC precipitated the Roman Civil War, which ultimately led to Caesar's becoming dictator and the rise of the imperial era of Rome).

We have met the enemy and he is us.