Is MCW really still a lock to leave?

[Hoboken Cuse]

Because no one is projecting CJ to go in the lottery.

I know where he is projected. Being projected and be selected are two different things especially when the GM's come in and inspect the player like a piece a beef. I just think they're wrong and hopefully he will learn this before signing with an agent. I shudder to think what his man2man D looks like. IMO, if he goes now, he will spend the whole year in the D League or riding pine and be out of the league by year 3. The GM that takes him with a lottery pick will also be looking for a work too. You don't use lottery picks to develop players unless they are "can't miss" targets and MCW does not fall into that category.

 

[CusefanATL]

http://thehoopsreport.com/aspnethoop/draft.aspx

Updated two days ago - he keeps slipping - he ain't gonna be a lottery pick that's for sure - he'll be luck to go late first round - it's 50/50 that he leaves - I hope he comes back - we have no guards and he is certainly a good player

Thats for sure?!

He is 2 picks from a lottery pick in the link YOU PROVIDED. I think there is a chance he could go lottery.

LOL. This thread needs to go.

We could turn this into rumorville... the new rumor I heard today is that Melo failed numerous drug tests in 2003.

 

[Knicks411]

I know he is projected. Being projected and be selected are two different things especially when the GM's come in and inspect the player like a piece a beef. I just think they're wrong and hopefully he will learn this before signing with an agent. I shudder to think what his man2man D looks like. IMO, if he goes now, he will spend the whole year in the D League or riding pine and be out of the league by year 3. The GM that takes him with a lottery pick will also be looking for a work too. You don't use lottery picks to develop players unless they are "can't miss" targets and MCW does not fall into that category.

That's all fine, and maybe you're right (though I don't totally agree; teams use lottery picks to develop players every single year) but you asked about the difference between CJ and MCW, and that's it. If CJ was getting lottery, or near lottery, buzz, people would be talking about him going pro also.

 

[Oakland]

I can't imagine him staying. He has great size and is good in the open court which is where so much of the NBA game is played. A team will draft him in the lottery and teach him to shot from the perimiter.

You can't teach how to shoot from the perimeter, just like no one could teach Wilt and Shaq to make FTs. One can improve their skill, e.g., by not trying shots moving laterally, but in most cases it will be marginal improvement.

 

[Meloyelo]

Do you really want him back? Ready to move on to Ennis

 

[AlaskaSU]

http://thehoopsreport.com/aspnethoop/draft.aspx

Updated two days ago - he keeps slipping - he ain't gonna be a lottery pick that's for sure - he'll be luck to go late first round - it's 50/50 that he leaves - I hope he comes back - we have no guards and he is certainly a good player

He is a young 21 in body and mind. People talk like this is a no brainer because of his upside. Being drafted is a 2 way street. How much will a team pay, both in cash and in opportunity cost, to see if he really has upside, and how long might that take? NBA body = no. Look test = no. He is no longer projected to go in first round.

 

[Col. Bleep]

Will he be picked? Absolutely.
Every year guys with huge flaws get drafted.

Will he be successful in the NBA?
I can't see how.

His biggest problem is that he's often taken apart by smaller, quicker guards.
In the NBA... ALL the guards will be quicker.

It's a HUGE step from college to the NBA.

 

[Henny & Coke]

Wow...some of the things written in this thread are just so strange to me. (Really makes me question if I'm watching completely different games than some here.)

There doesn't seem to be much use in trying to rationalize though at this point...some people simply see what they want to see. That must be it.

 

[jdubs30]

He is a young 21 in body and mind. People talk like this is a no brainer because of his upside. Being drafted is a 2 way street. How much will a team pay, both in cash and in opportunity cost, to see if he really has upside, and how long might that take? NBA body = no. Look test = no. He is no longer projected to go in first round.

He has an NBA body, he could definitely add some muscle, but you can't teach height and he's a 6'6 PG, his frame will fill out.

He passes the look test to me. He's shown flashes of brilliance, sure he's been inconsistent, but any scout can see that he has the tools. If you look at the top 10 assist guys in the country, MCW might be the only one drafted (unless you think Pressey will eventually), and among the top 10 scorers in the nation, there's 3 guys who will probably get drafted (Canaan, McDermott and Wolters); my point is, the NBA is 90% about potential, you don't get drafted in the NBA based on your collegiate stats. There really is no argument about his upside, he most definitely has it.

Where is he "no longer projected to go in the first round"?

 

[jekelish]

In addition to his being 21 already and being a 6-6 point guard, this is, by all accounts, an exceptionally weak draft. Most years he would not be a lottery pick. This year, however, there are not many big time draft picks so someone in the lottery will almost certainly be willing to draft him based on potential alone.

Really, the fact that it's such a crappy draft class is more to blame than anything else, IMO.

 

[Flacusian]

Very honest question... Assuming the season ends with thud like most of us are expecting, would he still definitely leave? I can't imagine that his draft stock has not taken a serious hit, and what a way to go out, with a serious whimper... Hope he would look to leave with a better legacy than that. Give him one more year and I think he could be the star so many had anointed him as early in the year...

Is that a rhetorical question? It seems he's already left.

 

[cuseincincy]

I say it again...I hope he comes back...I understand if he doesn't...anyone who doesn't think SU would be better with him next year is just being a contrarian. The age thing is overblown. MCW is a full year younger than Wes was when he was drafted after his junior year. Wes turned 23 a couple weeks after the draft and he went #4. If you show the skill the NBA wants you are still draftable at 23. If MCW stays a year he'll still be 3 months younger than Wes was when he was drafted. If his family does not need money there is a possibility he comes back.

 

[Knicks411]

That's true, but it's also possible how Wes has done since he has been drafted scares people off a little from drafting older players that high in the lottery. (Though I don;t think MCW is going in the top 4 anyway)

 

[RF2044]

In addition to his being 21 already and being a 6-6 point guard, this is, by all accounts, an exceptionally weak draft. Most years he would not be a lottery pick. This year, however, there are not many big time draft picks so someone in the lottery will almost certainly be willing to draft him based on potential alone.

Really, the fact that it's such a crappy draft class is more to blame than anything else, IMO.

Very true. I read an NBA draft primer not long ago that had people like Marcus Smart, Anthony Bennett, and Ben McLemore are contention to be the #1 pick, depending on which team gets that pick.

Not saying that those guys aren't solid, but #1 pick material? Jekelish, I agree with you 100%--this is an incredibly weak draft.

 

[Texas Otto]

A) Based on his maturity he will have a very short NBA career muddling in the D league
B) Based on A he should come back to aid his development
C) he won't be back he will two year guarantee and I hope he signs with a good honest financial advisor

That is all :blah:

 

[Knicks411]

It's not a great draft class, and it looks even worse with Noel hurt

 

[Alsacs]

The answer to the OP's question.

 

[cuseincincy]

That's true, but it's also possible how Wes has done since he has been drafted scares people off a little from drafting older players that high in the lottery. (Though I don;t think MCW is going in the top 4 anyway)

I don't think Wes's draft age has anything to do with his struggles in the league. It has more to do with the skills he is lacking.

 

[Knicks411]

I don't think Wes's draft age has anything to do with his struggles in the league. It has more to do with the skills he is lacking.

I think the idea is that since he was so old (relatively speaking, of course) that he had much less room to improve once he hit the league.

If he was 20 or 21 instead of 23, there would be more hope he could develop the skills he is lacking.

 

[Chosen0ne]

Like a few others have mentioned, being ready for the NBA is not a prerequisite for getting drafted. The NBA will draft on potential. It is a weak draft class, he has unique size and passing ability, and is projected as a lottery pick. He is gone for sure. The people who say he won't be a 1st rounder or that he should come back are crazy.

 

[orangecuse]

Like a few others have mentioned, being ready for the NBA is not a prerequisite for getting drafted. The NBA will draft on potential. It is a weak draft class, he has unique size and passing ability, and is projected as a lottery pick. He is gone for sure. The people who say he won't be a 1st rounder or that he should come back are crazy.

No doubt if he still ends up projecting as a lottery pick after going through the NBA auditioning camps, he's gone, that's a no brainer. However, with this year's draft being the weakest in a long, long time, even if MCW improved somewhat by next year's draft, he still may not be in any better of a position. An NBA advisor recently claimed that he would take 7 or 8 eights guys likely to be coming out next year ahead of anyone in this year's draft (except for Noel) acknowledging just how weak a draft this year's is.

 

[rosconey]

gm's have been looking for the next magic johnson since the year after he was drafted- they still aint found one-mcw can pass on the fast break and not much more

and if by age of 21 he still cant shoot dribble -What would make a gm with a live brain cell think going to the best level in the world will help make him better-

potential is a word that shouldnt be used on a man over 21- you either show it by now or you dont

 

[Old hank]

weak draft = yes, also we have one more player than scholarship next year, so yes

 

[TBCuse11]

Do you really want him back? Ready to move on to Ennis

Absolutely. Ennis as a frosh would be 1/100th the player MCW would be as a junior. I am very excited about Ennis, but he would struggle mightily as a starting PG next year.

 

[RF2044]

Absolutely. Ennis as a frosh would be 1/100th the player MCW would be as a junior. I am very excited about Ennis, but he would struggle mightily as a starting PG next year.

I don't agree with much of this. If you're asking whether I'd[1] prefer to have MCW come back for his junior year to play alongside Ennis, and [2] whether he'd be improved next year -- abso-freaking-lutely.

But I don't buy that Ennis would be 1/100th the player MCW is this year. College basketball is full of examples of frosh coming in and performing at a high level. Ennis is a top prospect; not suggesting that he'd need to come in and be Kenny Anderson, but I'd be surprised if he isn't up to the task of starting from Day 1 and performing at a high level. This kid seems to have "it."