Is the program in a worse spot then when Dino took over?

[HRE Otto IV]

One of his questions is interesting. How would we rank the starting RB's during the dome era?

Good idea, gonna start a new thread.

 

[Finwad32]

Were we that much worse at that juncture?

 

[PAcuse]

One of his questions is interesting. How would we rank the starting RB's during the dome era?

Interesting would have to do some research but a separate thread would be interesting to hear from others.
I think stats play an important role in it but you have to look at other things the player did some made team sacrifices or had a shared "starting" role etc.

 

[sufandu]

Interesting would have to do some research but a separate thread would be interesting to hear from others.
I think stats play an important role in it but you have to look at other things the player did some made team sacrifices or had a shared "starting" role etc.

Definitely. For example, despite his numbers, I was never as high on Rhodes as some other people. He had great speed when given an opening, but I never thought he was great at making people miss or breaking tackles. I wondered back then if he would have been better at WR.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

We made it to the others considered in ESPN Bottom 10 this week. How many debate points is that worth?

Did we ever crack that wonderful list in 2015?

We’ve been on the list in the past but not sure about 2015. We’ve been in the others to be considered a couple times this year already

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Definitely. For example, despite his numbers, I was never as high on Rhodes as some other people. He had great speed when given an opening, but I never thought he was great at making people miss or breaking tackles. I wondered back then if he would have been better at WR.

i think he was a tad overrated as a youngster but he was really good as a SR

 

[cuse10]

Absolutely not. Anyone who says yes should just be ignored from here on out. Does anyone remember what the facilities used to look like in his early years? I do. Their indoor facility was an 80 yard field in Manley. Their locker room would be put to shame by a Texas high school facility. We don't like what has happened this year, but it's hyperbole to say that SU Football is in a worse spot.

 

[KevMonstah]

with a nod to Denis Leary ... no No NO CAPITAL N CAPITAL O (and I'll stop with his progression)
no it is not worse. I'll give you that Shafer was a perfectly fine coach ... if football was still played
in the Stone Age and all that was needed was effort, a strong D, and "3 yards and a cloud of dust".
BTW, MTSU landed in the "bottom 10" this week, if it wasn't noticed, giving up around 40 ppg.

all you should really look at in that schedule posted above is that 41-17 loss to louisville, where
shafer left dungey in to get concussed (or not, but definitely KO-d) because he felt that down
24 with six mins to go, there was a chance to comeback. that alone would put the program in
a better place now than it was then. what also sets them apart ... you have hope with Babers at
the helm; at least at the start of the year. with Shafer, there was none.

this year's depressing, no doubt, and if there isn't a way to improve the OL, it will always be
depressing, but at least the head coach has a clue, and the overall talent is improving. it was
dying a miserable death under shafer.

kev

 

[nzm136]

Absolutely not. Anyone who says yes should just be ignored from here on out. Does anyone remember what the facilities used to look like in his early years? I do. Their indoor facility was an 80 yard field in Manley. Their locker room would be put to shame by a Texas high school facility. We don't like what has happened this year, but it's hyperbole to say that SU Football is in a worse spot.

I understand his question to be more from a manpower perspective, not a CapEx perspective.

Our facilities are undeniably materially better, and will be way, way, way better once someone makes the Dome roof look "not absolutely terrible," but the manpower side of things is less clear.

As an aside, I wonder how different the world would be if P was given these facilities.

 

[Crusty]

You can argue our talent is worse.

QB
Dungey so better then.

RB
Strickland and Neal. Slightly better now.

WR
Ish, Irv, Estime, Custis so better then.

TE
Nothing really there so worse then.

OL
Certainly was better then.

DL
Neither are good but I suppose Slayton puts them over the top.

LB
Bennett sand Franklin were really good. But there wasn't much there besides that. Our guys now are very young but they might be better. TBD.

DB
I think what we have now is better despite Frederick and Cordy, but we are very young.

K/P
We are better now despite Hof.

So I think the O talent was better when he took over. The D talent is better now. So a push?

Neal was originally recruited by Shafer.

 

[sufandu]

i think he was a tad overrated as a youngster but he was really good as a SR

His best numbers were probably his junior year. He had his best ypc average and ths most TDs that year. As a senior he only averaged 4.1 ypc. It's hard to know how much of that drop was the dysfunctional Gerg offense.

 

[sutomcat]

His best numbers were probably his junior year. He had his best ypc average and ths most TDs that year. As a senior he only averaged 4.1 ypc. It's hard to know how much of that drop was the dysfunctional Gerg offense.

Without having time to look it up, I think Damien was hurt most of his senior season. I believe that was the year all our RBs got hurt and we ended the regular season with Diamond Ferri playing both ways and breaking the hearts of the BC Superfans wearing their sombreros (they thought they were going to the Fiesta Bowl had they beaten Syracuse).

 

[sufandu]

Without having time to look it up, I think Damien was hurt most of his senior season. I believe that was the year all our RBs got hurt and we ended the regular season with Diamond Ferri playing both ways and breaking the hearts of the BC Superfans wearing their sombreros (they thought they were going to the Fiesta Bowl had they beaten Syracuse).

That was the previous year, 2004. Rhodes was a senior in 2005, Gerg's first year.

 

[Hokie Mark]

For your consideration: Dino Babers' 5-year Evaluation

 

[HRE Otto IV]

His best numbers were probably his junior year. He had his best ypc average and ths most TDs that year. As a senior he only averaged 4.1 ypc. It's hard to know how much of that drop was the dysfunctional Gerg offense.

I think a lot of it was the Pariani O and lack of surrounding talent. I remember whether a run or a pass, every play ways intended for Rhodes that year.

 

[elimunelson]

We are in better shape. Where there is some concern is when Dino came in there was maximum hope, now there is salvation we speak of. I think Dino salvages this but it won't be because he has some crazy new offense that will dazzle the ACC and confuse them into oblivion.
The hope is Dino identifies how he can be successful in the ACC and reboots it all into a 2.0 Dino situation. The orange is the new fast thing needs to be put away. 3 and out in 45 seconds is destroying the team's ability to compete. it may be sexy to say but it really just puts us in a position to be worn out by the 3rd quarter against teams that are better than us.

 

[TheCusian]

We are in better shape. Where there is some concern is when Dino came in there was maximum hope, now there is salvation we speak of. I think Dino salvages this but it won't be because he has some crazy new offense that will dazzle the ACC and confuse them into oblivion.
The hope is Dino identifies how he can be successful in the ACC and reboots it all into a 2.0 Dino situation. The orange is the new fast thing needs to be put away. 3 and out in 45 seconds is destroying the team's ability to compete. it may be s e xy to say but it really just puts us in a position to be worn out by the 3rd quarter against teams that are better than us.

One of the open questions that will prob be unanswered this season, will be "did the OC and DC hires pan out?" I'm with you on the tempo thing - unless we have a dynamic OL and some skill guys that can run it well, we should be more deliberate.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

At the moment, both yes and no. The product on the field is worse. The Liberty loss was worse than any loss during the Shafer period. We have been competitive in one of our five games this year, and that was against teams who should be peers or inferior. Two teams we beat by a combined 67 points last year on the road, just spanked us at home. We have an anemic offense. No depth at QB. Few stalwart upperclassmen. Coach has no Plan B, and hasnt effectively implemented Plan A. Shafer was bad, but Dino is bad too. It's not mutually exclusive.

The program is stronger though from a facilities and resources standpoint. Joe Moorhead should really be able to hit the ground running in Spring 2023.

 

[Nahson]

Yes, counting the opt outs who are like transfers sitting out a year. When Dino took over there was no depth. He had a FR Neal who IMO isn't as good as a RB as Tucker.

Hate him or love him Strictkland got a legit crack at the NFL with Arizona. No one on our current roster
(opt out or not) has that trajectory.

 

[sufandu]

Hate him or love him Strictkland got a legit crack at the NFL with Arizona. No one on our current roster
(opt out or not) has that trajectory.

Lewis doesn't? He's way ahead of Stickland at the same point in their careers.

 

[Nahson]

Lewis doesn't? He's way ahead of Stickland at the same point in their careers.

Lewis?

 

[sufandu]

Lewis?

Sorry. Tucker. I mixed up Seans in my head. I think I did the same thing in another thread. Insert Tucker into my previous post and discuss.

 

[Nahson]

Sorry. Tucker. I mixed up Seans in my head. I think I did the same thing in another thread. Insert Tucker into my previous post and discuss.

Based off the sample size, I can't agree. He looks good, but its still way to early to say that he has NFL talent.

 

[sufandu]

Based off the sample size, I can't agree. He looks good, but its still way to early to say that he has NFL talent.

Where Is he at the same stage as the guys we're comparing him to? That's actually a pretty clear observation.