It’s quite clear

[TheCusian]

Remember when Dungey would get hurt and our defense would go from ok to biblically horrible and we were like how is his lack of playing hurting the defense?

That’s what yesterday felt like.

 

[721Comstock]

In my opinion, Dungey was a generational player.

I am not talking about pure talent.

I am talking about the entire package.

And, I question whether we will ever see another player like him.

In the meantime, we need to recruit bigger, stronger, and faster players - lots of them.

I know it ruins the #narrative, but -

We actually ARE recruiting bigger, stronger, faster players than we did under the prior regime.
And it’s not even close.

On top of that, Edinger and crew are making them bigger, stronger, and faster across the board as compared to prior teams.
There was an article about it on Syracuse.com with actual data to verify how many guys ran 40’s < a certain threshold vs prior, and also how many guys could now bench 225 > a certain # of reps.

But clearly, we need even more of them.
You can never have too much talent.

And even more so we need game planning, play calling and execution to improve dramatically.

 

[rrlbees]

We are going to lose season ticket holders after this fiasco forever.

good riddance to them

 

[Stern]

I know it ruins the #narrative, but -

We actually ARE recruiting bigger, stronger, faster players than we did under the prior regime.
And it’s not even close.

On top of that, Edinger and crew are making them bigger, stronger, and faster across the board as compared to prior teams.
There was an article about it on Syracuse.com with actual data to verify how many guys ran 40’s < a certain threshold vs prior, and also how many guys could now bench 225 > a certain # of reps.

But clearly, we need even more of them.
And even more so we need game planning, play calling and execution to improve dramatically.

Need more of them but really need more of them at specific positions. LT/RT/QB/CB/D-Line

You can get by with sub-par play at TE, RB, and even linebacker to a point. But at the 5 key spots on any roster you need to have top notch talent and we don't outside of a couple guys.

 

[OrangePA]

I know it ruins the #narrative, but -

We actually ARE recruiting bigger, stronger, faster players than we did under the prior regime.
And it’s not even close.

On top of that, Edinger and crew are making them bigger, stronger, and faster across the board as compared to prior teams.
There was an article about it on Syracuse.com with actual data to verify how many guys ran 40’s < a certain threshold vs prior, and also how many guys could now bench 225 > a certain # of reps.

But clearly, we need even more of them.
You can never have too much talent.

And even more so we need game planning, play calling and execution to improve dramatically.

I ain't no scientist, but I just don't see it.

We do not look bigger or stronger. I don't see a Jamal Custis out there. I don't see an OL or a DL that looks imposing.

I suspect that we have a greater number of athletes who on a cumulative basis may be faster but I haven't seen a pronounced difference in our speed on the field.

The fact is that in too many games this year, we have been mauled physically.

Bigger, stronger and faster players don't get mauled that way. Schemes and coaching are important, but it's the Larry's and the Moe's that get wins in college football.

So, I hope you are right.

But right now I don't see a lot of physically dominant players on the field.

 

[OrangePA]

Notre Dame is also not recruiting players who can compete in the ACC, apparently.

Please give me ND's talent!

I'll take it now!

 

[orangenirvana]

I ain't no scientist, but I just don't see it.

We do not look bigger or stronger. I don't see a Jamal Custis out there. I don't see an OL or a DL that looks imposing.

I suspect that we have a greater number of athletes who on a cumulative basis may be faster but I haven't seen a pronounced difference in our speed on the field.

The fact is that in too many games this year, we have been mauled physically.

Bigger, stronger and faster players don't get mauled that way. Schemes and coaching are important, but it's the Larry's and the Moe's that get wins in college football.

So, I hope you are right.
But right now I don't see a lot of physically dominant players on the field.

These same players won 10 games just one year ago. Jamal Custis is on a practice squad.
It's not always about talent talent talent - sometimes it's about execution.

Not all progress is linear. It rarely is. This season we took a big step back in the win column but Babers is absolutely making this program more talented.

 

[Ozone!]

I like HCDB and many things he has accomplished, so far. Having said that, changes must be made moving forward:
In recruiting
In play-calling on offense
In player development
In internal leadership development for players
In enhanced schemes on defense; one's that reflect the other team's offensive tendencies and stresses maintaining defensive zones and proper tackling.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I ain't no scientist, but I just don't see it.

We do not look bigger or stronger. I don't see a Jamal Custis out there. I don't see an OL or a DL that looks imposing.

I suspect that we have a greater number of athletes who on a cumulative basis may be faster but I haven't seen a pronounced difference in our speed on the field.

The fact is that in too many games this year, we have been mauled physically.

Bigger, stronger and faster players don't get mauled that way. Schemes and coaching are important, but it's the Larry's and the Moe's that get wins in college football.

So, I hope you are right.
But right now I don't see a lot of physically dominant players on the field.

We might be faster and even stronger but we certainly aren’t bigger. In football, mass matters. We look like cross fitters out there not jacked football players. Mass does not equal slow. And it is not like we are fast to make up for how small we are across the board.

 

[bothsocksup]

I know it ruins the #narrative, but -

We actually ARE recruiting bigger, stronger, faster players than we did under the prior regime.
And it’s not even close.

On top of that, Edinger and crew are making them bigger, stronger, and faster across the board as compared to prior teams.
There was an article about it on Syracuse.com with actual data to verify how many guys ran 40’s < a certain threshold vs prior, and also how many guys could now bench 225 > a certain # of reps.

But clearly, we need even more of them.
You can never have too much talent.

And even more so we need game planning, play calling and execution to improve dramatically.

I just dont buy into this either. It seems like every year our guys look smaller and weaker then the guys the line up against. They may have more cardio but they get bullied around. We need some fat dudes out there, not bodybuilders

 

[721Comstock]

I just dont buy into this either. It seems like every year our guys look smaller and weaker then the guys the line up against. They may have more cardio but they get bullied around. We need some fat dudes out there, not bodybuilders

You can buy or not buy whatever you like.

You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.

(the POTUS excepted, apparently. )

How much faster has Syracuse football gotten under Dino Babers?

Syracuse football has gotten faster and more explosive under coach Dino Babers.

www.syracuse.com

Four players on the 2016 team were hand-timed in the 40-yard dash in less than 4.6 seconds. This winter, there were 17 players who ran that fast (laser-verified).

On the squat rack, 14 players in 2016 lifted more than 450 pounds. This winter, 35 players squatted at least 500 pounds.

In 2016, nine players could rep 225 pounds 20 or more times. The highest on the team finished with 26.

This winter, 17 players topped 20 reps, six players topped 25 reps, and three players topped 30 reps. The highest on the team finished with 37.

 

[Trueblue25]

Fire Lynch and bring a coordinator who can recruit and call his own book. Ours doesnt utilize our strengths, it accentuates our weaknesses.

I don’t care if its Lynch, Dino or Jesus himself, I question whoever decided Hackett would only get the ball inside the opposing 20. That kid should have 40 receptions and 500 yards, great hands and powerful.

 

[Trueblue25]

conditioning’s not our issue its lack of depth, scheme and adjusting with what we have.

This is coaching guys

 

[OburgOrange]

I just dont buy into this either. It seems like every year our guys look smaller and weaker then the guys the line up against. They may have more cardio but they get bullied around. We need some fat dudes out there, not bodybuilders

 

[OrangePA]

These same players won 10 games just one year ago. Jamal Custis is on a practice squad.
It's not always about talent talent talent - sometimes it's about execution.

Not all progress is linear. It rarely is. This season we took a big step back in the win column but Babers is absolutely making this program more talented.

Actually these are not the same players who won ten games last year.

We don’t have Slayton who was a big factor in our ability to defend the run. We don't have Guthrie who was also very good against the run. He may not be a great pro, but Custis was a physically imposing player at the college level. He made a number of huge plays last year at crucial times. We don't have three OL from last year and of course we don’t have Dungey.

All programs lose players of course, but programs with insufficient depth suffer more than programs with solid depth.

For me, right now, it’s not about execution but about overall talent.

And, I have concerns about team morale. It just seems like there must be something wrong in the locker room.

Just too many mind boggling blow outs.

 

[OrangePA]

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And get rid of those stupid all orange uniforms!

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Interesting article about size

In college football, size matters

You’re far more likely to win with heft than without it.

www.google.com

 

[storange]

good riddance to them

I kind of agree but it does suck looking across the field and seeing 70% silver on the other side. They will come back again when we win again and the same guys from this board will persevere.

 

[baggerbob]

Actually these are not the same players who won ten games last year.

We don’t have Slayton who was a big factor in our ability to defend the run. We don't have Guthrie who was also very good against the run. He may not be a great pro, but Custis was a physically imposing player at the college level. He made a number of huge plays last year at crucial times. We don't have three OL from last year and of course we don’t have Dungey.

All programs lose players of course, but programs with insufficient depth suffer more than programs with solid depth.

For me, right now, it’s not about execution but about overall talent.

And, I have concerns about team morale. It just seems like there must be something wrong in the locker room.

Just too many mind boggling blow outs.

Strickland was by far the best blocker among the running backs. Neal either misses or gets run over, he should have been a slot receiver. JJ already has shown a quickness Neal and Riley never had.

 

[bothsocksup]

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Those three dudes would start on this offensive line without a doubt

 

[qdawgg]

You can buy or not buy whatever you like.

You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.

(the POTUS excepted, apparently. )

How much faster has Syracuse football gotten under Dino Babers?

Syracuse football has gotten faster and more explosive under coach Dino Babers.

www.syracuse.com

Ok, so our recruiting classes are better because they would do well at a cross fit competition? Our recruiting is not significantly better then it was before DB. It’s better but it’s not impressive. All that speed hasn’t meant much when the our teams guys are running away from us.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Actually these are not the same players who won ten games last year.

We don’t have Slayton who was a big factor in our ability to defend the run. We don't have Guthrie who was also very good against the run. He may not be a great pro, but Custis was a physically imposing player at the college level. He made a number of huge plays last year at crucial times. We don't have three OL from last year and of course we don’t have Dungey.

All programs lose players of course, but programs with insufficient depth suffer more than programs with solid depth.

For me, right now, it’s not about execution but about overall talent.

And, I have concerns about team morale. It just seems like there must be something wrong in the locker room.

Just too many mind boggling blow outs.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you have been consistent for years that it's always about talent.

So you see everything through that lens. That's fine. But you saying it's about talent is as predictable as SWC saying we should have two running backs in the backfield.

 

[OrangePA]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you have been consistent for years that it's always about talent.

So you see everything through that lens. That's fine. But you saying it's about talent is as predictable as SWC saying we should have two running backs in the backfield.

I always try to be consistent.

Lee Corso used to say “the bigger, the stronger, the faster my players, the better I coach.”

Ohio State wins because the program always has great talent.

Clemson is winning big nowadays because it has superior talent.

Alabama has won NCs with three different coaches because the program attracts talent.

We played well last year, with the same coaches, because we had better talent than we do this year.

The coaches didn’t suddenly forget how to coach.

Some coaches - far fewer than many presume - can get more out of talent than others and some figure out how to scheme to talent better than others.

And some coaches recruit better than others because they are more charismatic or just sell better.

Of course coaches matter, but it appears that our problem right now is that we just don't have enough good players.

How that conclusion is comparable to how another poster feels about the use of two RBs is beyond me.

Dino has been given more money, a bigger staff, better facilities and a long term contract - he will continue to receive better funding.

He and his coaches have to raise the talent level of this team.

I for one believe that he can do it and will do it.

 

[tbonezone]

dino's still a young. coach. cut strings and bring in some new ideas. or kiss your job G'BYE.
cuz this ain't working.

 

[dasher]

good riddance to them

Silly. We need all the fans we can get. It's the 2 dollar window that makes the track money. It's the dollar slots that make a casino money. It is the casual fan that will put us over the top. College football is in the entertainment business. Silly to be glad people aren't coming in to your store.