It Boils Down to Talent...

[JustPherU]

Nah.

And - neither of Jackson or JGIII were EVER expected to be guys getting 30+++ minutes on the regular.

Joe was supposed to be 3rd fiddle behind Carey & Goodine.
NO WAY he was "promised" anything, other than a chance to compete for PT.

Buddy got zero "promises" from Dad.
And, he should be our "Random White Guy' off the bench who occasionally goes to plaid, and pisses off opposing fanbases; not an entrenched starter who has minus skills at literally everything about playing P5 basketball, except for shooting, at which he's above average - NOT elite.

What about Dajuan Coleman? Any promises made there?I don’t have a clue about promises made, but there have been rumors for years about DC getting some.Maybe or maybe not on the promises but I still think JB is loyal to a fault.

 

[Alsacs]

I am as annoyed as most by losing that game but please, practice doesn’t matter? Anyone who is good at anything is getting that good by practicing. You know who practices their craft the most? The people who are at the top of their field. Don’t tell me you are one who looks at elite level performers and believes they were just endowed by the all mighty with those abilities and don’t have to work at their skills constantly to get to that level and to maintain that level.

Pick any activity and try to get good enough to be the best in your city or county at it without practicing. Without doing drills.

Can we get real, please?

I am not going to give the practice angle the pass you and other want too.

Pittsburgh had a longer delay than we did, they had their best player out.
Practice wasn’t why we couldn’t box out.
Practice wasn’t why we chucked a bunch of 3’s.
The no practice is a fact it’s not excuse when the opponent had to deal with it.

We lost because we got outworked, out hustled and outcoached.

Practice wouldn’t have fixed the biggest problem yesterday.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I was told that Joe was going to play for Duke? No we don’t have enough talent? We keep making excuses but the problem continues to be the same and it’s the coach.

offensively we are slow and stale and boring
Defensively we are slow and stale and boring

No, that was Bobby Hurley's recruitment that you're thinking of, or maybe Gerry McNamara.

 

[IthacaMatt]

We have? Please name one.

Tyler Lydon was a first-round draft pick, as was Malachi Richardson.

We don't have a guy on this roster that is sniffing the first round.

1974-75:

Rudy Hackett. On this team, you need to combine the talents of more than one player - to "be" an equal to Rudy Hackett, you need the rebounding of Guerrier, combined with the offense of Alan Griffin.

Jim Lee. His comp is obviously Joe Girard. Very comparable players, although maybe Joe is a bit more Kid Kohls, who used to similarly throw up shots from 30 feet with little conscience about it.

Chris Sease. Chris Sease's comp on today's team is Guerrier, since he's kind of the leaper around the rim for this team.

Jim Williams. Comp on this team is Kadary Richmond. How much difference in talent?

Kevin King. Kevin King's comp is probably Woody, or maybe

Earnie Seibert. Compare to Frank Anselem or Jesse Edwards. I think our current guys are better athletes, but they never get to play. Earnie was the big-boy kind of player who helps you win games.

Ross Kindel. /. Steve Shaw. Compare both of these guys to Buddy. Buddy's better. You could throw in Bobby Braswell, who has shown flashes and has better size.

Larry Kelley - As I recall (correct me if I'm wrong ...) Larry Kelly was a wing player, kind of like a Greg Monroe kind of player. Not sure we have a comp on the current roster. His matchup is probably Alan Griffin on the current team, and certainly Griffin is a better player.

Bob Parker. Comps - Anselem, JBA and Jesse. None of them were contributors, but JB won't even play the new guys, while Danforth played big bodies to knock people around to protect the rim. JB should remember that. Craig Forth and the 2003 Championship Trophy say "hi".

Stats below correspond to the roster in order above:

		6-9	22.2 Pts, 12.7 Reb, 3.1 Ast
	G	6-2	17.2 Pts, 3.1 Reb, 3.6 Ast
		6-5	12.1 Pts, 7.1 Reb, 1.9 Ast
SO	G	5-10	7.6 Pts, 1.6 Reb, 3.4 Ast
		6-4	7.1 Pts, 2.8 Reb, 2.6 Ast
	C	6-9	4.5 Pts, 4.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
FR	G	6-2	5.3 Pts, 1.4 Reb, 3.2 Ast
		6-4	2.6 Pts, 2.0 Reb, 1.0 Ast
SO	G	6-0	3.0 Pts, 0.7 Reb, 0.9 Ast
SO			2.0 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.4 Ast

 

[IthacaMatt]

Here's another:

2014-16

Michael Gbinije. This is kind of who Alan Griffin could be next year. Does Richmond have his ceiling?
Malachi Richardson. You don't think Alan Griffin is as good as him? Or Elijah Hughes last year?

Trevor Cooney. Is either he or Girard that much better than each other?

Tyler Lydon. I guess the comp on this team is Buddy - kind of "big", 3 pt threat. Lydon more of a
rim protector, though. Buddy's floor game is not Andy Rautins, but not that bad. Or maybe it's Dolezaj, although he has never been the outside threat that Lydon was.

Tyler Roberson. This is basically a trade for Quincy Guerrier. Much difference? Other than JB ruining Roberson's confidence, the talent looks pretty comparable. How did fellow Canadian Brissette do?

DaJuan Coleman. He was broken by this point. Isn't Sidibe a better center?

Frank Howard He was just a back up on this team. He got less time than Kadary Richmond.

Kaleb Joseph. He played even less than Frank. I guess it would be like putting in Woody at guard. I would take Woody in that comparison any day.

So, is this season's talent so much worse than either of those 2 Final Four teams?

Stats below are in order with roster listed above:

0	SR		6-7	200	Richmond, VA	Benedictine	28 (2011)	17.5 Pts, 4.1 Reb, 4.3 Ast
23	FR	G	6-6	195	Trenton, NJ	Trenton Catholic (NJ)	29 (2015)	13.4 Pts, 4.3 Reb, 2.1 Ast
10	SR	G	6-4	195	Wilmington, DE	Sanford School	79 (2011)	12.9 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 2.2 Ast
20	FR		6-8	205	Elizaville, NY	New Hampton School	72 (2015)	10.1 Pts, 6.3 Reb, 1.1 Ast
21	JR		6-8	212	Union, NJ	Roselle Catholic HS	37 (2013)	8.8 Pts, 8.5 Reb, 1.4 Ast
32	SR	C	6-9	255	Jamesville, NY	Jamesville-DeWitt HS	18 (2012)	4.9 Pts, 4.6 Reb, 0.4 Ast
1	FR	G	6-5	205	Suitland, MD	Paul IV HS	79 (2015)	1.6 Pts, 1.3 Reb, 1.8 Ast
14	SO	G	6-3

 

[Trueblue25]

You can’t get the ball to a player whos been performing downlow and shooting like Q has, you find the next guard up that can.

Buddy and Girard are not playing near to the level that we can justify the negative impact they’re having on our offense and defense as a whole. Split there minutes equally with KR and let the victor rise to the top.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Here's another:

2014-16

Michael Gbinije. This is kind of who Alan Griffin could be next year. Does Richmond have his ceiling?
Malachi Richardson. You don't think Alan Griffin is as good as him? Or Elijah Hughes last year?

Trevor Cooney. Is either he or Girard that much better than each other?

Tyler Lydon. I guess the comp on this team is Buddy - kind of "big", 3 pt threat. Lydon more of a
rim protector, though. Buddy's floor game is not Andy Rautins, but not that bad. Or maybe it's Dolezaj, although he has never been the outside threat that Lydon was.

Tyler Roberson. This is basically a trade for Quincy Guerrier. Much difference? Other than JB ruining Roberson's confidence, the talent looks pretty comparable. How did fellow Canadian Brissette do?

DaJuan Coleman. He was broken by this point. Isn't Sidibe a better center?

Frank Howard He was just a back up on this team. He got less time than Kadary Richmond.

Kaleb Joseph. He played even less than Frank. I guess it would be like putting in Woody at guard. I would take Woody in that comparison any day.

So, is this season's talent so much worse than either of those 2 Final Four teams?

Stats below are in order with roster listed above:

0	SR		6-7	200	Richmond, VA	Benedictine	28 (2011)	17.5 Pts, 4.1 Reb, 4.3 Ast
23	FR	G	6-6	195	Trenton, NJ	Trenton Catholic (NJ)	29 (2015)	13.4 Pts, 4.3 Reb, 2.1 Ast
10	SR	G	6-4	195	Wilmington, DE	Sanford School	79 (2011)	12.9 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 2.2 Ast
20	FR		6-8	205	Elizaville, NY	New Hampton School	72 (2015)	10.1 Pts, 6.3 Reb, 1.1 Ast
21	JR		6-8	212	Union, NJ	Roselle Catholic HS	37 (2013)	8.8 Pts, 8.5 Reb, 1.4 Ast
32	SR	C	6-9	255	Jamesville, NY	Jamesville-DeWitt HS	18 (2012)	4.9 Pts, 4.6 Reb, 0.4 Ast
1	FR	G	6-5	205	Suitland, MD	Paul IV HS	79 (2015)	1.6 Pts, 1.3 Reb, 1.8 Ast
14	SO	G	6-3

Cooney was massively better than Girard in terms of discipline and decision making. Girard has far more confidence than frosh/soph Cooney. Skills may be roughly equivalent. But the way Joe is killing us is his discipline which is utterly nonexistent.

 

[kcsu]

1974-75:

Rudy Hackett. On this team, you need to combine the talents of more than one player - to "be" an equal to Rudy Hackett, you need the rebounding of Guerrier, combined with the offense of Alan Griffin.

Jim Lee. His comp is obviously Joe Girard. Very comparable players, although maybe Joe is a bit more Kid Kohls, who used to similarly throw up shots from 30 feet with little conscience about it.

Chris Sease. Chris Sease's comp on today's team is Guerrier, since he's kind of the leaper around the rim for this team.

Jim Williams. Comp on this team is Kadary Richmond. How much difference in talent?

Kevin King. Kevin King's comp is probably Woody, or maybe

Earnie Seibert. Compare to Frank Anselem or Jesse Edwards. I think our current guys are better athletes, but they never get to play. Earnie was the big-boy kind of player who helps you win games.

Ross Kindel. /. Steve Shaw. Compare both of these guys to Buddy. Buddy's better. You could throw in Bobby Braswell, who has shown flashes and has better size.

Larry Kelley - As I recall (correct me if I'm wrong ...) Larry Kelly was a wing player, kind of like a Greg Monroe kind of player. Not sure we have a comp on the current roster. His matchup is probably Alan Griffin on the current team, and certainly Griffin is a better player.

Bob Parker. Comps - Anselem, JBA and Jesse. None of them were contributors, but JB won't even play the new guys, while Danforth played big bodies to knock people around to protect the rim. JB should remember that. Craig Forth and the 2003 Championship Trophy say "hi".

Stats below correspond to the roster in order above:

		6-9	22.2 Pts, 12.7 Reb, 3.1 Ast
	G	6-2	17.2 Pts, 3.1 Reb, 3.6 Ast
		6-5	12.1 Pts, 7.1 Reb, 1.9 Ast
SO	G	5-10	7.6 Pts, 1.6 Reb, 3.4 Ast
		6-4	7.1 Pts, 2.8 Reb, 2.6 Ast
	C	6-9	4.5 Pts, 4.6 Reb, 1.0 Ast
FR	G	6-2	5.3 Pts, 1.4 Reb, 3.2 Ast
		6-4	2.6 Pts, 2.0 Reb, 1.0 Ast
SO	G	6-0	3.0 Pts, 0.7 Reb, 0.9 Ast
SO			2.0 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.4 Ast

Joe wishes he were half the player Kid was.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I know he was in foul trouble but:
Girard 11 shots
Buddy 12 shots
Griffin 16 shots
Quincy 2 shots

It is just unacceptable to have the first three guys jack up threes early in the shot clock, especially contested threes. And a guy like Quincy was treated as an offensive afterthought. Not a play run for him. Absolutely unacceptable.

Why do I never see QG isolated on the block and someone makes an entry pass to him?

Seems like maybe they should mix that into the offense with the 30 ft shots

 

[cuseincincy]

We have no player that will be on the top three ACc all star teams. Not one. And no center that would be a top 50 center. Syracuse glory years are way behind us and we haven’t turned any corners

Really? The #10 scorer, #2 rebounder and #2 FG% player has no chance at All ACC? The #9 scorer, #8 rebounder, and #3 3FG% player has no shot at All ACC?

 

[Halfmooncuse]

Really? The #10 scorer, #2 rebounder and #2 FG% player has no chance at All ACC? The #9 scorer, #8 rebounder, and #3 3FG% player has no shot at All ACC?

No. ask people that make $$$$ for evaluating talent...

 

[Cuserulz]

What do we practice?
Our defense doesn’t change.
We run the offensive same sets in the games this year. If I know our plays I can say I feel opposing coaches who watch our games know our sets.
We don’t change much.

I don’t think practice matters that much for us. Other getting conditioning in. We aren’t a team that gameplans for the opponent. We do what we do.
We are Steelers under Bill Cowher/Mike Tomlin.
We do what we do and tell the opponent beat it or we will win.

I don’t think practice matters that much.
Film study matters.
Film study can be done via zoom or socially distanced.

I really don’t think practice matters for Syracuse other than just getting shots in.
I have asked numerous times what a practice is like and it’s all just drills, positional work with coaches and 5 on 5 is what I have been told by guys like RF who know.

I think practice is an excuse this HC will use because it’s available and we aren’t much.

I don’t think the talent is bad. As I said it’s not a NC contender talent.
It’s 8-9 NCAAT tournament talent.

In another thread I created somebody said we think we are Kansas but we are actually Providence and that IMO is not far off.
We have Providence talent. Which will make the tournament but it’s not going to win much.

I'm sorry, but for the sake of argument, if we were still in the BE we would be looking up at Providence in the standings. We would be taking up residence with Georgetown in or near the basement. Unfortunately it's not going to change until we change the entire staff and realize that nobody on JB's coaching tree is a viable candidate. I apologize if this sounds harsh, but it is our reality.