It's Almost Funny

[Franz69]

"The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side."

This is kind of an indictment of our recruiting, isn't it? When you can't out-recruit Rutgers?

 

[Cuseman78]

I'll have to assume you watched the game with your anti-HCDM glasses on.

Good lord, you don't read my posts at all. Besides GO, I am as pro Marrone as they get. But it's amazing how some could watch yesterday's game and come away with the story of the game as a talent deficiency issue. The story of the game was turnovers. Thats where it begins and ends. We did not play Bama yesterday. It was an evenly matched game which was decided essentially by a blocked FG.

 

[sufandu]

As much as you want to say the coaches held out our most physically gifted playmaker in the redzone (which I agree he should have got more touches then the 3rd down carry), Lemon dropped 2 touchdown passes on that drive (one from the 8yd line, one from the 3 yd line). The Play was their, the execution was not. Lemon was put in a position to succeed but he dropped the ball. Tough catches but all the same it hit him in the hands in stride.

That's fine, but you try and give yourself as many opportunities as possible. If your best playmaker is on the bench, you're short changing the team and not just in the redzone. If he's on the field more, maybe we have a chance at some of those big plays that Marrone said we needed at the beginning of the season. If we get those, we don't have to worry about bogging down inside the 20. And why are we only handing the ball off to Broyld. We need to create ways to get him the ball in space where he works best. Or why not use his quarterback ability. We could split him out and throw him a backward pass where he has the option to throw to Clark running a go route, Nassib sneaking around the opposite side with noone paying attention, or running it if nothing else is open.

My criticism isn't just with not using Broyld. About a week ago someone else mentioned the end arounds (they're not end arounds necessarily but the effect is the same) they run to Sales or Lemon. Why are we running those with our slow guys? I know Kobena is hurt but use Clark in that way. Why not go empty backfield when PTG is in the game to give the D a different look. Or we could have Smith and Gulley in at the same time. Split PTG out, fake a dive with Smith, and flip the ball to PTG coming around end (WVU runs this type of play with it's small quick shifty guys a lot). You could run the same type of thing with a zone read. It would be almost triple optionesque but out of the spread. Or maybe instead of Smith you could use AAM. If we spread a team out and force them to put a bunch of DB's on the field, who wants to get in AAM's way with a head of steam.

Finally, why do we need an off week to come up with something new like the 'tank' formation. That is something that shouldn't be that hard to come up with, especially since other teams have done things like this for a few years, see Stanford and San Francisco in the NFL.

My point is, there are things the coaching staff could do to maximize personnel that they're not doing, and it doesn't involve a whole new scheme. The things I've mentioned are tweaks that I've seen other teams do. I'm certainly not smart enough to have come up with any of it on my own, so it shouldn't be that hard for our coaches to work it in.

P.S. You failed to acknowledge any of the other points I made in my post regarding coaching.

 

[storange]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

Rutgers is a slightly better then average team that feeds off mistakes, very similar to our 2001 team IMO. ( minus Dwight Freeney so not as good as the 2001 squad) If we dont turn it over we win. Two Picks, both bad decisions by Ryan,...bolocked field goal, low kick and poor blocking combined... fumble wasnt really a fumble (Rene's), so where does rutgers superior talent fit in? I think your estimation of the gap in talent is wrong ....very wrong

 

[xc84]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

I agree with your conclusion about stability and sticking with Marrone... but the loss yesterday was not about Rutgers being a better team. SU shot themselves in the foot. It was crazy that with all the mistakes, they still had a chance to tie things up with 3 minutes to go. So wishful thinking they could have won the game? I think not. It was winnable. Cuse D kept us in it... a couple less blunders by the offense and we would have won.

 

[billsin01]

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

The general point of this post I more or less agree with but this statement above is absurd. We beat RU two years in a row when they, rightfully, should have been considered much better than us. We then "should' have beat them last year if not for a series of miscues. Then we just lost by 7. So thinking we should win that game was wishful thinking? Ouch. Not sure I can buy that.

 

[BORZAK]

Yet they had the ball 4 min more than SU (ESPN). Number of run plays was about even. How is that possible?

lets see they ran down the clock for the last 3 min. and we had incomplete passes which stop the clock, no that can not be it.

 

[Alsacs]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

Reading this gives me headaches, your a good fan but give me a damn break. What has Marrone proven to deserve show you he can turn it around. There are 34 bowls 68 bowl teams we haven't been a bowl team 2 of 3 times with DM and probably 3 of 4 with this team, and you want to give him more time. We didn't get beat by a good team. If we didn't give them 13 points on the blocked FG and fumble punt we probably win. What a joke you analysis Marrone hasn't proven he can recruit. His system isn't fun he is spiteful for certain players and honestly you should expect results in the 4th year. I am not expecting a 10-2, 11-1 season I am expecting to see a team that doesn't commit the same mistakes and is fun to watch. This team is not fun to watch and lacks any discipline, but continue lecturing us about 1986 and Coach Mac and the old days.

 

[Crousept]

Amen, that sums it up well

 

[Chip]

No offense, but you and those chalking this loss up lack of talent are lost. We were more than physically up to the challenge, we continually shot ourselves in the foot and had a backbreaking blocked FG for a TD. This wasn't a talent issue, this was an execution issue (again).

When you outgain a team 418 to 237, and lose by a TD in a game where you had a FG blocked and returned for a TD, it gets really hard for me to say it's a talent mismatch. But what do I know. I guess we had false starts, guys can't hold onto the football and a 5th year QB throwing short passes into red crowds because we didn't belong on the same field.

 

[Cuseman78]

When you outgain a team 418 to 237, and lose by a TD in a game where you had a FG blocked and returned for a TD, it gets really hard for me to say it's a talent mismatch. But what do I know. I guess we had false starts, guys can't hold onto the football and a 5th year QB throwing short passes into red crowds because we didn't belong on the same field.

And in a weird way, it's why I'm still relatively optimistic about the last 6 games. We are in these games, we have enough talent, it's whether or not we can clean up the mistakes well enough to get 4 more wins. I still think we can.

But I will say that if we don't clean things up and we can't start winning these toss up games, then Dougie will need to go. I'm just not ready to start chalking up Ls when we aren't being completely out talented as we had been in the past.

 

[BlackKnight76]

And in a weird way, it's why I'm still relatively optimistic about the last 6 games. We are in these games, we have enough talent, it's whether or not we can clean up the mistakes well enough to get 4 more wins. I still think we can.

But I will say that if we don't clean things up and we can't start winning these toss up games, then Dougie will need to go. I'm just not ready to start chalking up Ls when we aren't being completely out talented as we had been in the past.

Agreed. Losing games the way we have is the worst, but it's easier to fix the mistakes that we've made in games than it is to bring our talent level up mid-season.

 

[Cuseman78]

Agreed. Losing games the way we have is the worst, but it's easier to fix the mistakes that we've made in games than it is to bring our talent level up mid-season.

Absolutely. More frustrating even than the GRob teams that had no chance. But we are close. Can the head coach clean things up and stop the self inflicted wounds during the second half of the season? To me, That's really the question that will determine whether he should be the head coach here or not. He has 6 games

 

[SWC75]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

I hate those "knee jerk" reactions.

 

[SWC75]

We outgained them 420 to 240, with 23-12 lead in first downs. Clearly we're good enough to play with these type teams so it's clearly not wishful thinking to go into a game and out play them (statistically) and subsequently expect to win. But Where it appears he's lacking is in his ability to figure out who to play (which is someting I think you've seen as well), as well as making in game decisions. That combo causes a loss of faith in you from your team. Which we'll see play out as the season slides into oblivion.

I can't imagine theres been a similar situation with any other team where the team with the better stats loses so much. That's a problematic situation. I agree and applaud that to this point they haven't quit and fight to the final whistle. But this is increasingly looking like saying hey it's great that they kept the lights on on the Titanic for so long.

I don't think it's going to be a productive thing for the program for any of us to cling false hopes that some day he's going to get "it" Here at least maybe some day somewhere else but things like finally getting into it more on the sideline with greater energy has all the hallmarks of "too little too late"

I'm emotionally drained of excitement and to a certain degree of interest all over again. Maybe you're right and continuity is more important and it for this reason that I won't complain much if he gets a 5th year. that said if I was making the call, without a bowl season this year, I'd say no mas for him rather than clinging to what appears to be false hope.

We have now lost games were we outgained the opponent by 259 yards and 181 yards. We are outgaining teams by 110 yard per game and are 2-4. That's pretty amazing.

 

[Cuseregular]

We have now lost games were we outgained the opponent by 259 yards and 181 yards. We are outgaining teams by 110 yard per game and are 2-4. That's pretty amazing.

seriously, your're a history and numbers guy, have you ever seen this before? Without going into research mode I've never seen it to this extent. Curious your take.

 

[SWC75]

seriously, your're a history and numbers guy, have you ever seen this before? Without going into research mode I've never seen it to this extent. Curious your take.

That was my take. It's amazing.