I've Seen What Carlos Can Do, I Want to See What Cuffe Can Do at PG

[kcsu]

Joe G had a better handle

 

[Nicknack]

Neither can shoot a lick. Cuffe is way more athletic. Carlos is 5 times the ball handler.
There are your similarities and difference. You’re the coach now. Make your decision.

First, that's just not true. The main problem with Carlos is that he doesn't create offense. As Seth Greenberg said at halftime, neither Carlos or Wake's PG make the game easier for their teammates. That's precisely what a PG is supposed to do. On top of that, he's a defensive liability and isn't a very good scorer.

We need Cuffes D and intensity. I can't believe morons are making excuses for Carlos still.

Yep, this was stated several times during the game by the commentators. He has intensity that Carlos just doesn't have. The fact that we're having this debate over a player (Carlos) who is really more similar to a walk on than a starter is really sad. Our program is in rough shape right now.

 

[Dcuse]

I thought Autry Jr was one of the better walkons his 4-5 years in the program? I'm sure he'd be better than Carlos.

I have no words.

 

[baggerbob]

5x at least. Cuffe basketball man love could be blinding you to this.

Some of your comments are la la land. Carlos isn't 5 times better at anything.

 

[AZOrange]

Some of your comments are la la land. Carlos isn't 5 times better at anything.

5x better at missing front end 1&1s than most

 

[Nicknack]

I would take Symir Torrence hands down over Carlos. This coming from someone who wasn't exactly a Torrence fan.

 

[CuseCPT]

My goodness, people talk like Carlos has then handle of Pistol Pete. A CG that got a schollie at Kansas is not going to be 5x worse at handling the rock than Hofstra's PG. It's not like we're talking about letting a forward run point.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I would take Symir Torrence hands down over Carlos. This coming from someone who wasn't exactly a Torrence fan.

We would be a lot better with Symir as the starting point, no doubt.

Symir had some obvious limitations but he did the right point guard things initiating offense and getting guys good shots.

 

[kcsu]

Some of your comments are la la land. Carlos isn't 5 times better at anything.

If I'm Red the next practice before a game I have them each shoot 30 foul shots. 3 sets of 10
Alternating between them. The winner starts.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If I'm Red the next practice before a game I have them each shoot 30 foul shots. 3 sets of 10
Alternating between them. The winner starts.

If I'm Red and we dig ourselves a hole at the start of the game again I'm going absolutely ape and hockey subbing the starters.

 

[tptcuse]

If I'm Red and we dig ourselves a hole at the start of the game again I'm going absolutely ape and hockey subbing the starters.

Since we're playing this game, if I'm Red, I don't let us get in a big hole at the beginning of the game. I take a timeout before it gets that far.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Neither can shoot a lick. Cuffe is way more athletic. Carlos is 5 times the ball handler.
There are your similarities and difference. You’re the coach now. Make your decision.

"5 times the ballhandler" - he's certainly trending downward. His last 5 games were his 5 worst games all year in terms of turnovers. Although he is trying to get up shot attempts inside the arc, and is doing well with that lately.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Since we're playing this game, if I'm Red, I don't let us get in a big hole at the beginning of the game. I take a timeout before it gets that far.

Yeah, this isn't the first time, either. I think many of us have agreed that he waits a minute or two too long to call time out. We lose a lead and fall behind by 2 possessions - THEN is when you call time out. Not 2 minutes later, when we are now down 12. The whole game has gotten away from you at that point. You have to stop the run before that happens. It's really hard to fathom how an excellent PG himself has so little feel for managing the flow of a game.

 

[IthacaMatt]

5x better at missing front end 1&1s than most

Yeah, Mr. 90% has had too many of those this season.

 

[Dcuse]

"5 times the ballhandler" - he's certainly trending downward. His last 5 games were his 5 worst games all year in terms of turnovers. Although he is trying to get up shot attempts inside the arc, and is doing well with that lately.

Nobody is claiming Carlos is a great player. Is anybody else watching Moore,Cuffe and Taylor trying to handle the ball against defensive pressure? Are you all blind? They’re horrible! Carlos is not great but he is,again, the ONLY guy on the team that can handle the ball under pressure. I don’t blame Autry one bit for giving him all those minutes.

 

[IthacaMatt]

5x at least. Cuffe basketball man love could be blinding you to this.

One TO every 21 minutes of court time last season.
This year, it's 9 TOs in 115 minutes so far this season. About once every 13 minutes.
If he played literally the whole game, that would be 3 TOs per game. That's not so terrible.

His assist creation has not been there, but how little does he get to initiate the offense?
When he does, I think he's at his best. Him sitting at the 3 point line, that's not his game.

He should run the point, with the emphasis on run. He's fast in the open floor. He can get to the rim, and it seems like the explosiveness that he had in HS is finally returning, like he trusts his body this year.

I can't understand how this is a debate. I'm glad that Red is finally playing him. It remains frustrating that he is playing Cuffe out of position, out of apparent stubbornness over Carlos.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Nobody is claiming Carlos is a great player. Is anybody else watching Moore,Cuffe and Taylor trying to handle the ball against defensive pressure? Are you all blind? They’re horrible! Carlos is not great but he is,again, the ONLY guy on the team that can handle the ball under pressure. I don’t blame Autry one bit for giving him all those minutes.

You, yourself, said he was 5 times the ballhandler of Cuffe.
Don't run away from what you said.

We have 3 guards who could potentially bring the ball up. Red only trusts one of them.
Stats say he should trust Cuffe; so do the eyes. Moore can be instant offense, but thinks defense is optional at this point.

You can't play at guy at any position for 40 minutes a game for the whole season. It just doesn't work that way. How many years in the last decade under Boeheim did he play guys with nagging injuries, not using healthy but inexperienced players on the bench? I remember a half dozen of them, myself.

How many guys who we ran out there, expecting them to learn how to be PGs, had never been PGs before in HS?

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

I thought Autry Jr was one of the better walkons his 4-5 years in the program? I'm sure he'd be better than Carlos.

If serious, this may be your craziest take ever.

 

[djcon57]

We would be a lot better with Symir as the starting point, no doubt.

Symir had some obvious limitations but he did the right point guard things initiating offense and getting guys good shots.

Yep He wasn’t consistently good but played up to par with Duke in the acc tourney. Obviously could have his moments

 

[Dcuse]

If serious, this may be your craziest take ever.

And there is a lot of competition.

 

[Dcuse]

You, yourself, said he was 5 times the ballhandler of Cuffe.
Don't run away from what you said.

We have 3 guards who could potentially bring the ball up. Red only trusts one of them.
Stats say he should trust Cuffe; so do the eyes. Moore can be instant offense, but thinks defense is optional at this point.

You can't play at guy at any position for 40 minutes a game for the whole season. It just doesn't work that way. How many years in the last decade under Boeheim did he play guys with nagging injuries, not using healthy but inexperienced players on the bench? I remember a half dozen of them, myself.

How many guys who we ran out there, expecting them to learn how to be PGs, had never been PGs before in HS?

What are you talking about? Run away? My post doubled down on what I said. If your eyes say he should trust Cuffe to handle the ball, it’s time for that change in eyeware prescription. I like the energy and athleticism he brings but he can’t shoot and he doesn’t dribble well. I’m done on the subject.

 

[Nicknack]

What are you talking about? Run away? My post doubled down on what I said. If your eyes say he should trust Cuffe to handle the ball, it’s time for that change in eyeware prescription. I like the energy and athleticism he brings but he can’t shoot and he doesn’t dribble well. I’m done on the subject.

You claim to have vision or bb intelligence that others of us don't have. What exactly leads you to believe that Cuffe can't dribble the basketball up the court and then do nothing but pass to the perimeter like Carlos? Stats don't support you. So, what does? I'd love to hear it.

 

[Dcuse]

You claim to have vision or bb intelligence that others of us don't have. What exactly leads you to believe that Cuffe can't dribble the basketball up the court and then do nothing but pass to the perimeter like Carlos? Stats don't support you. So, what does? I'd love to hear it.

Let’s see… Carlos 5 assists to 2 turnovers a game or 2.5 to 1 ratio
Cuffe .5 assists to .9 turnovers a game or about a 1 to 2 ratio. Do you even know how to read stats?

 

[IthacaMatt]

Let’s see… Carlos 5 assists to 2 turnovers a game or 2.5 to 1 ratio
Cuffe .5 assists to .9 turnovers a game or about a 1 to 2 ratio. Do you even know how to read stats?

You don't get assists when your coach tells you to stand out by the 3 point line.
How many assists does Chris Bell have?

If you take out Albany and Bucknell, where he had his best games, and only focus on P5 type competition, in his 5 games against quality opponents in December (Wake, MD, ND, Tenn, Georgetown - 0 wins, 5 losses), his numbers are 24 assists and 15 turnovers. Solid, but nothing spectacular. And we lost every game. Certainly not all his fault, but it is what it is.

Yes, Carlos is doing a decent job offensively, but don't forget that he is awful defensively.

It's not a mistake that we are ALWAYS behind at the beginning of games with our starting lineup. Most of them are terrible at defense.

I think playing Cuffe at the 2 is dumb. I think that playing Carlos 40 minutes is dumb.
The answers are there. Not saying any one guy is key to it all, or should play 40 minutes.
I'm just saying that reasonable observers know that you only play a guy 40 minutes when he is your best player, because you risk him getting hurt when he's playing tired.

When you have a flawed roster, you can't only play 7 of them, because they're not good enough. You have to take what each guy can give you, not just throw it away because they can't do something else, too.

For instance, look at McLeod. Now, maybe his foot never healed right. That's certainly possible. But if you play him one shift each half, just let him foul and block shots, and just be aggressive and knock guys on their butts if they dare come in the lane, we are a better team for it. Yes, he'll give up a couple easy baskets, but doesn't everyone else we have, too?

We need some nastiness in this team. We're so soft.

 

[Nicknack]

Let’s see… Carlos 5 assists to 2 turnovers a game or 2.5 to 1 ratio
Cuffe .5 assists to .9 turnovers a game or about a 1 to 2 ratio. Do you even know how to read stats?

Seems strange that you're choosing to die on this hill. Really? Jaquan Carlos? That's what you're deciding? Hmmm.. some bad decision making here, if you ask me.

Let's do something fun... name me ONE starting point guard over the last 30 years that you would say was worse than our current starting PG who gets 36-37 minutes a game. I'm all ears.