Jesse needs his own thread…

[OrangeXtreme]

I believe because Jesse is a foreign student he cannot earn NIL money. Not an NCAA rule; I believe it is student visa rule

You would be correct.

International student-athletes face an NIL conundrum, and no one seems to have an answer

As NIL nears reality, international student-athletes, which account for about 12% of Division I NCAA athletes, remain in a legal no man's-land, thanks to a caveat within the visa program.

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[kuethstheman]

I can’t remember the last center we had that was so good at the pick and roll

Rony? Otis?

You have to go back a long way. We've had other very good offensive centers but few that looked as smooth and few that had the luxury of the middle being as open as it was today.

 

[MSOrange]

This is probably a thought expressed elsewhere in this thread, but the pick and roll is so much more effective when the guy who sets the screen is actually a threat to do something once he rolls.

 

[Jake]

Would also like to point out that Louisville defended it terribly.

 

[Sherman20]

Hopefully Jesse stays for next year

Where is he going? Please don’t say the transfer portal. Knock on wood, but first of all, it appears that Jesse really likes it at Syracuse and is having a great time and playing really well. Second, I think you’re gonna see less kids like Jesse, who are already stars, transferring this season. There’s now a wealth of cautionary tales of players who went into the transfer portal and have done worse at their new school. I mean, we’re talking guys whose stats have been halved at their new program. Exhibit A: Remy Martin going from Arizona State to Kansas. Exhibit B: Marcus Carr going from Minnesota to Texas. Both were top 5 transfers and have been disappointments. Heck, the entire vaunted 6-member Texas transfer haul, including Tre Mitchell and Timmy Allen, has been largely a disappointment. All of them were top 30 transfers. We even know one of these examples well: Quincy G. Coaches are going to use these cautionary tales when their players start talking transfers. Not all all will listen but some will. It’s really hard to go somewhere new and learn a new system and culture. Last year shows that’s it’s about a 50/50 chance that it works out. I think it’s gonna give a lot of players pause.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Where is he going? Please don’t say the transfer portal. Knock on wood, but first of all, it appears that Jesse really likes it at Syracuse and is having a great time and playing really well. Second, I think you’re gonna see less kids like Jesse, who are already stars, transferring this season. There’s now a wealth of cautionary tales of players who went into the transfer portal and have done worse at their new school. I mean, we’re talking guys whose stats have been halved at their new program. Exhibit A: Remy Martin going from Arizona State to Kansas. Exhibit B: Marcus Carr going from Minnesota to Texas. Both were top 5 transfers and have been disappointments. Heck, the entire vaunted 6-member Texas transfer haul, including Tre Mitchell, has been largely a disappointment. All of them were top 30 transfers. We even know one of these examples well: Quincy G. Coaches are going to use these cautionary tale when their players start talking transfers. It’s really hard to go somewhere new and learn a new system and culture. Last year shows that’s it’s about a 50/50 chance that it works out. I think it’s gonna give a lot of players pause.

NBA would be the concern. Not joking. He has a little Brook Lopez to his game. And I know Lopez shoots 3’s now, but he didn’t 15 years ago.

 

[Sherman20]

Jessie has a lot of room to operate because teams don’t want to leave our shooters. He’s not going to get that kind of room next year. He will need to get stronger and be able to turn both ways in the post. He and Girard have great chemistry.

True. And the good thing is that Jesse has already shown a developmental leap at the end of last season and then a huge one this year, so we can expect him to make another big jump next season. Kid seems really coachable.

 

[Orangezoo]

I am at the point where I am no longer banking on him being on the team next year. There is literally a 100% chance that he can play for money somewhere next season. He has differentiating attributes that will allow him to play at a semi-pro to pro level immediately if that is what he wants to do: 1) his lateral agility is bonkers good for a guy his size, 2) his vertical quickness is bonkers good for a guy his size, and 3) he ALWAYS keeps the ball high on the catch. He doesn't need a dribble or two to get himself set. This is a HUGE asset and extremely difficult to teach. His catch-and-react is already pro level. He doesn't waste time with a tempo or rhythm dribble, it's straight to the basket as soon as he catches.

Number 1 priority for next year needs to be to set him up with NIL to combat the overtures from agents that are probably already being made. We need to re-recuit him a la UCLA/Johny Juzang after last year's tourney and load up his NIL payout.

[I know that people will immediately chime in with the "he needs to get stronger!" mantra, but i believe this is 100% overblown. With his frame and wide shoulders scouts will be looking at him as where he can be physically in 2-3 years, not where he is physically now.]

Pile on- his measurables are elite. He is an inch shy of the same wingspan as Gobert.

 

[721Comstock]

Pile on- his measurables are elite. He is an inch shy of the same wingspan as Gobert.

Thankfully, there’s nothing in the way of tall globally known landmarks in The Netherlands to nickname him after, so I think we’re safe.

 

[Sherman20]

..and props for calling it out.

Season Non Predictions

One of my favorite aspects of college basketball is the developmental nature of it. Players improve. They are not the same from season to season, and some vastly improve over the course of the same season. Just look at last year. Early on while dealing with covid delays and absences SU was...

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Jesse Edwards

Does Jesse have the ability to perhaps become a Leron Ellis-type center as an upperclassman, i.e. a functional college center who can rebound, defend the basket and score inside when necessary? Or is this more likely to be a Sean Williams 2.0 situation?

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Thank you for pointing this out, lol. I know others saw his upside/potential too.

 

[GoSU96]

Where is he going? Please don’t say the transfer portal. Knock on wood, but first of all, it appears that Jesse really likes it at Syracuse and is having a great time and playing really well. Second, I think you’re gonna see less kids like Jesse, who are already stars, transferring this season. There’s now a wealth of cautionary tales of players who went into the transfer portal and have done worse at their new school. I mean, we’re talking guys whose stats have been halved at their new program. Exhibit A: Remy Martin going from Arizona State to Kansas. Exhibit B: Marcus Carr going from Minnesota to Texas. Both were top 5 transfers and have been disappointments. Heck, the entire vaunted 6-member Texas transfer haul, including Tre Mitchell and Timmy Allen, has been largely a disappointment. All of them were top 30 transfers. We even know one of these examples well: Quincy G. Coaches are going to use these cautionary tales when their players start talking transfers. Not all all will listen but some will. It’s really hard to go somewhere new and learn a new system and culture. Last year shows that’s it’s about a 50/50 chance that it works out. I think it’s gonna give a lot of players pause.

Wait, what? Somebody named their kid Remy Martin?

Is his coach named Bud Weiser?

 

[orangepassion]

Is shooting over 70% from the field. If pace continues, I can't imagine it's not an SU all-time record. He's currently #4 in the entire country and has more points per game than the 3 ahead of him.

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[JustPherU]

Wait, what? Somebody named their kid Remy Martin?

Is his coach named Bud Weiser?

Or Harry Ballz

 

[orangecuse]

I am at the point where I am no longer banking on him being on the team next year. There is literally a 100% chance that he can play for money somewhere next season. He has differentiating attributes that will allow him to play at a semi-pro to pro level immediately if that is what he wants to do: 1) his lateral agility is bonkers good for a guy his size, 2) his vertical quickness is bonkers good for a guy his size, and 3) he ALWAYS keeps the ball high on the catch. He doesn't need a dribble or two to get himself set. This is a HUGE asset and extremely difficult to teach. His catch-and-react is already pro level. He doesn't waste time with a tempo or rhythm dribble, it's straight to the basket as soon as he catches.

Number 1 priority for next year needs to be to set him up with NIL to combat the overtures from agents that are probably already being made. We need to re-recuit him a la UCLA/Johny Juzang after last year's tourney and load up his NIL payout.

[I know that people will immediately chime in with the "he needs to get stronger!" mantra, but i believe this is 100% overblown. With his frame and wide shoulders scouts will be looking at him as where he can be physically in 2-3 years, not where he is physically now.]

Yep, solid post.

I can't help but be reminded relative to that first paragraph of yours how JB last season (and deep into the season at that) continually spewed how Jesse "wasn't ready." Perhaps, if JB hadn't been so stubborn and rigid in his handling of Jesse last season, Jesse would've been able to show some more of those positives he brings?

As you mentioned, some of the skills he possesses aren't necessarily teachable, along with being very difficult to teach. It's hard to imagine that one off season somewhat magically transformed Jesse into the player he is presently.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yep, solid post.

I can't help but be reminded relative to that first paragraph of yours how JB last season (and deep into the season at that) continually spewed how Jesse "wasn't ready." Perhaps, if JB hadn't been so stubborn and rigid in his handling of Jesse last season, Jesse would've been able to show some more of those positives he brings?

As you mentioned, some of the skills he possesses aren't necessarily teachable, along with being very difficult to teach. It's hard to imagine that one off season somewhat magically transformed Jesse into the player he is presently.

I know it's a shaky metric but Jesse's per 40 metrics even his freshman season were great.

 

[Alsacs]

I know it's a shaky metric but Jesse's per 40 metrics even his freshman season were great.

I loved Jesse as a freshman. His upside was obvious that year but atleast Sid was healthy so it made sense to ride said but Jesse last year was rumored to be RS’d for some reason before Covid restricted him to Europe and last year was a freebie.

 

[CardiacCuse]

i posted before the lousiville game something about i hope he doesnt go next season cuz hes actually not ready for NBA (which i stand by)

has a ton to improve on - needs to get stronger (body wise and hands wise, needs to be able to score outside of 5 feet, still needs to get a better feel for the game although has improved a lot in that area)

but if im an NBA gm i might get cute and try to stash jesse off a 2nd round pick...buy low perhaps

in a few years, i have little doubt he will be doing his thing in the league

 

[OttoinGrotto]

i posted before the lousiville game something about i hope he doesnt go next season cuz hes actually not ready for NBA (which i stand by)

has a ton to improve on - needs to get stronger (body wise and hands wise, needs to be able to score outside of 5 feet, still needs to get a better feel for the game although has improved a lot in that area)

but if im an NBA gm i might get cute and try to stash jesse off a 2nd round pick...buy low perhaps

in a few years, i have little doubt he will be doing his thing in the league

I'm curious about where you think he needs a better feel for the game? To my eyes, his feel is rare, especially for a guy with his measurables.

 

[Tony DeFranco]

I don’t think we are going to be good for a long time - but Jayzus if Jesse were to leave - and he could easily be a first round pick - he needs size and a mid range jump shot - that will come with time - at the same time he could use another year - definitely not gonna hurt him to stay

 

[BigNastyJon]

J Smack Eddies is hands down our best player.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Yep, solid post.

I can't help but be reminded relative to that first paragraph of yours how JB last season (and deep into the season at that) continually spewed how Jesse "wasn't ready." Perhaps, if JB hadn't been so stubborn and rigid in his handling of Jesse last season, Jesse would've been able to show some more of those positives he brings?

As you mentioned, some of the skills he possesses aren't necessarily teachable, along with being very difficult to teach. It's hard to imagine that one off season somewhat magically transformed Jesse into the player he is presently.

Perhaps if he played more he would have had problems which would have negated his development. How he has been handled has, by every measure, been pretty darn good. Let’s enjoy what we have without speculating on the unknown and unprovable.

 

[the villager]

I posted before that players had to do a better job of finding Jesse on the roll looks like someone was listening.

 

[Bayside44]

Where is he going? Please don’t say the transfer portal. Knock on wood, but first of all, it appears that Jesse really likes it at Syracuse and is having a great time and playing really well. Second, I think you’re gonna see less kids like Jesse, who are already stars, transferring this season. There’s now a wealth of cautionary tales of players who went into the transfer portal and have done worse at their new school. I mean, we’re talking guys whose stats have been halved at their new program. Exhibit A: Remy Martin going from Arizona State to Kansas. Exhibit B: Marcus Carr going from Minnesota to Texas. Both were top 5 transfers and have been disappointments. Heck, the entire vaunted 6-member Texas transfer haul, including Tre Mitchell and Timmy Allen, has been largely a disappointment. All of them were top 30 transfers. We even know one of these examples well: Quincy G. Coaches are going to use these cautionary tales when their players start talking transfers. Not all all will listen but some will. It’s really hard to go somewhere new and learn a new system and culture. Last year shows that’s it’s about a 50/50 chance that it works out. I think it’s gonna give a lot of players pause.

Hope you're right, concerned it's going to take a couple to few years on data.

Just looked up Tre Mitchell. White hot name now pouring in 9 over 17 minutes per game. Which is ok, but not where the expectation was.

 

[Moontan]

I’m hoping that he stays next year.
I’d like to chat with a fellow SU Dutchie when he’s in town for the GA Tech game.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I'm curious about where you think he needs a better feel for the game? To my eyes, his feel is rare, especially for a guy with his measurables.

last few weeks his feel seems to have improved

but in the pitt loss he was nullified by a smaller defender, quite inexplicably, imo, as an example...he should eat that guys lunch

this season he has tried to force it when it isnt there a ton...and part of that is just not getting the ball enough.

overall, i think hes the best prospect on the team...but its clear he has a ton of room for growth

another thing is the rotations on defense - which he has gotten better at - especially in the begininng of the year it seemed that he was always in the wrong spot...not closing out when he should and allowing way too many easy buckets at the rim...not so much lately...he has gotten better...but throughout the season Ive often had the thought that he is a player who hasnt played basketball since he was a kid...its obvious he joined the sport later in life than most players

he also kinda just fumbles the ball a ton - that is mostly strength - but also anticipation - the ball hits his hands and he doesnt corral it a ton for a player his size with the touch he has

also - a player who fouls out almost every game - can work on feel for the game for sure - he has gotten a lot better in recent weeks at this - but for most of the season he has made a bunch of costly and unstrategic fouls...to me that comes with knowing where the team is in the game and how his role fits and not fouling because the team needs him///hes in an almost impossible position as the teams main defense but still he could improve on this

ive noticed a recent uptick in his play...but also in the beginning of the year...his fotwork was often late and slow

but overall yeah i agree that his touch and ability is rare...just unrefined in terms of making decisions and winning plays...but i have zero doubt that he will iron all of that out sooner rather than later