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[MikeSU02]

I watched Steph Curry shoot 5-13 in 29 minutes last night in a game they lost to the Jazz by 26 points. Steph just couldn't get it going, but anyone watching the game, knew that any given time he could go on a run. Coaches respect great shooters and instill in their defenses the importance of never leaving a great shooter open.

Are you comparing literally anyone on our team to the greatest shooter in NBA history?

 

[Cusefan0307]

joe didnt play well for long stretches of the game

8 foul shots or whatever at the end doesnt change that

that three in the corner was awesome...but it was just one play

he really needs to look for other players besides buddy

Joe was our second best player against BC. It’s just odd people are nitpicking him after that game. The last 11 points were incredibly important when nobody else could score.

 

[althea]

Are you comparing literally anyone on our team to the greatest shooter in NBA history?

Everyone who has watched SU over the last few years recognizes that Buddy is capable of putting up a lot of points quickly. He’s not Curry, but he’s a very good shooter.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Does Steph play the entire game?

Joe has been good this year.
Buddy doesn’t sit.

Being threat is one thing but having a rotation isn’t a lot to ask and our guys aren’t even the top at their positions in the conference or country like Steph is at his.

Of course, they are not Steph Curry, but there isn't a coach out there that isn't worried that Buddy or Joe won't go on a little run. This has nothing to do with who plays and for how many minutes. It has to do with who opponent coaches feel like has the capability of getting hot at any time.

 

[MikeSU02]

Everyone who has watched SU over the last few years recognizes that Buddy is capable of putting up a lot of points quickly. He’s not Curry, but he’s a very good shooter.

Yes, he's capable. He's a streaky shooter that can go nuclear with a heat check.

Steph, good lord.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Are you comparing literally anyone on our team to the greatest shooter in NBA history?

Only Theordore Todd "Mookie" Jones the 4th

 

[OttoinGrotto]

+/- is just a dumb bball stat, it make sense in hockey but not bball..

you play 3 min and score every time down court an easy layup 5 times for 10 pts.. then the other team goes down and scores 4 times but all 3s thats 12.. your -2.. did you play poorly?

you can also play poorly but be in the 1-1 and get fouled 3 times and score 6 pts late in a game. and the other team misses threes and be +6. doesnt mean you did anything right.

You're pointing out the reality of how small sample sizes can skew things moreso than refuting +/- as a viable measure of impact.

 

[upperdeck]

You're pointing out the reality of how small sample sizes can skew things moreso than refuting +/- as a viable measure of impact.

not really because +/- in bball is a result of what happens on the court not how you actually played.. if you are a center and the ball never goes into the paint there is very little you can do to adjust your results.. I can guard my man 100% and never allow him to touch a ball and have a bad +/-.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

not really because +/- in bball is a result of what happens on the court not how you actually played.. if you are a center and the ball never goes into the paint there is very little you can do to adjust your results.. I can guard my man 100% and never allow him to touch a ball and have a bad +/-.

That's still sample size.

 

[two3zone]

I watched Steph Curry shoot 5-13 in 29 minutes last night in a game they lost to the Jazz by 26 points. Steph just couldn't get it going, but anyone watching the game, knew that any given time he could go on a run. Coaches respect great shooters and instill in their defenses the importance of never leaving a great shooter open.

5/13 is pretty close to what Buddy averages a game. That said, why didn’t he play 48 minutes?

 

[two3zone]

Joe was our second best player against BC. It’s just odd people are nitpicking him after that game. The last 11 points were incredibly important when nobody else could score.

We’ve lost games similar to this many times this year.

 

[MikeSU02]

5/13 is pretty close to what Buddy averages a game. That said, why didn’t he play 48 minutes?

Here's the other thing, Steph probably runs more in one game than Buddy does all year.

His off ball movement is arguably the best in the league and arguably one of the best in the history of the whole NBA's history.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Joe was our second best player against BC. It’s just odd people are nitpicking him after that game. The last 11 points were incredibly important when nobody else could score.

my issue with joe in bc game was the functioning of the offense. thats the PG primary job and the offense wasnt doing well. first 36 minutes joe wasnt playing well in terms of PG and facilitating offense. the team shot 39% for the game and I actually put some of that on lack of good PG play. Symir came in and got 3 quick assists...almost as many as joe had all game. 3 to 4. BC was there to be carved up but joe wasnt doing it.

with 8 mins left in the game they were cruising and went to the stall ball and let joe dribble out the clock every possession...of course hes gonna feature then

he had the ball and BC was fouling on purpose. credit for making the 8 FT..but it wasnt as if he was scoring those FTs off anything he was doing specifically other than being the one with the ball.. other than that amazing 3 he hit...It was the other teams decision, basically

nobody else could score was a symptom of the strategy! it was by design!

of couse no one else can score if joe is dribbling the ball for 25 seconds every possession.

i dont like the strategy and i never will...late game situtations this season have not been good for this team but they got away with it this time.

Considering the end, he didnt have a bad game. but if he plays that way vs better teams...it will be a loss 80% of the time.

team will need more than 9 assists total to beat VT. book it.

if you look at scoring in the box score...joe had a good game. if you look at PG as facilitator of offense (which I do) Joe didnt meet the threshhold for "good game"

 

[two3zone]

Here's the other thing, Steph probably runs more in one game than Buddy does all year.

His off ball movement is arguably the best in the league and arguably one of the best in the history of the whole NBA's history.

Absolutely, not comparing Cooney to Steph, but at the college level Trev was nonstop running around, it’s not like it can’t be done here.

 

[upperdeck]

a pass to set up a player to go 1-1 is just as important as a pass that gets a player a good shot.. assists only value one of them, coaches value both..

it didnt help that the best player to pass to lately was a no show in this game.. 3-5 assists that normally happen didnt happen at all.

 

[721Comstock]

my issue with joe in bc game was the functioning of the offense. thats the PG primary job and the offense wasnt doing well. first 36 minutes joe wasnt playing well in terms of PG and facilitating offense. the team shot 39% for the game and I actually put some of that on lack of good PG play. Symir came in and got 3 quick assists...almost as many as joe had all game. 3 to 4. BC was there to be carved up but joe wasnt doing it.

with 8 mins left in the game they were cruising and went to the stall ball and let joe dribble out the clock every possession...of course hes gonna feature then

he had the ball and BC was fouling on purpose. credit for making the 8 FT..but it wasnt as if he was scoring those FTs off anything he was doing specifically other than being the one with the ball.. other than that amazing 3 he hit...It was the other teams decision, basically

nobody else could score was a symptom of the strategy! it was by design!

of couse no one else can score if joe is dribbling the ball for 25 seconds every possession.

i dont like the strategy and i never will...late game situtations this season have not been good for this team but they got away with it this time.

Considering the end, he didnt have a bad game. but if he plays that way vs better teams...it will be a loss 80% of the time.

team will need more than 9 assists total to beat VT. book it.

if you look at scoring in the box score...joe had a good game. if you look at PG as facilitator of offense (which I do) Joe didnt meet the threshhold for "good game"

News flash - Joe is NOT a PG. THAT is the problem, right there.

Now - he did a pretty solid job of ballhandling late, breaking their press, and forcing them to foul him.
And then icing the game from the line.

It's NOT his fault he's not a ball-on-a-string, pass-first PG - it's just not who he is, or ever will be.

He's a solid combo guard, and can be lethal as a SG when paired w/ Symir, so he isn't the primary ballhandler.

Buddy wasn't doing a damn thing the entire 2nd half, other than forcing awful Iso hero ball chucks, and turning it over.
Sitting him, putting in Sy to run point, and swinging Joe over to SG woulda been the right move -
we built the lead in the 1st half while Sy was in.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Joe was our second best player against BC. It’s just odd people are nitpicking him after that game. The last 11 points were incredibly important when nobody else could score.

And some people wonder why JJ went West

 

[djcon57]

And some people wonder why JJ went West

I guarantee you on the reasons why JJ didn’t pick us, comments on the Syracusefan.com message board about Joe Girard clock in at last

 

[Newhouser]

Are you comparing literally anyone on our team to the greatest shooter in NBA history?

So we have John Havliceck and Curry? Nice

 

[HOFCeluck]

I guarantee you on the reasons why JJ didn’t pick us, comments on the Syracusefan.com message board about Joe Girard clock in at last

Good lord I’d have to go into exile.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Good lord I’d have to go into exile.

There’s a couple nutritional psychologists in Syracuse and Glens falls who were able to buy new yachts thanks to you

 

[dollarbill44]

Absolutely, not comparing Cooney to Steph, but at the college level Trev was nonstop running around, it’s not like it can’t be done here.

Distance traveled does not necessarily equate to "good off the ball".

 

[two3zone]

Distance traveled does not necessarily equate to "good off the ball".

I thought Cooney was pretty good considering he was our only outside threat.

 

[Alsacs]

Of course, they are not Steph Curry, but there isn't a coach out there that isn't worried that Buddy or Joe won't go on a little run. This has nothing to do with who plays and for how many minutes. It has to do with who opponent coaches feel like has the capability of getting hot at any time.

You realize how hard it is to guard Steph vs. Buddy.

Steph cuts 50-60 times per game.
Buddy does the Buddy backdown.

The way to contain Buddy is a lot different than Steph.

No player who can shoot is ever left alone but face guarding and defending Buddy is a lot easier.

Andy Rautins moved a lot.

 

[CardiacCuse]

News flash - Joe is NOT a PG. THAT is the problem, right there.

Now - he did a pretty solid job of ballhandling late, breaking their press, and forcing them to foul him.
And then icing the game from the line.

It's NOT his fault he's not a ball-on-a-string, pass-first PG - it's just not who he is, or ever will be.

He's a solid combo guard, and can be lethal as a SG when paired w/ Symir, so he isn't the primary ballhandler.

Buddy wasn't doing a damn thing the entire 2nd half, other than forcing awful Iso hero ball chucks, and turning it over.
Sitting him, putting in Sy to run point, and swinging Joe over to SG woulda been the right move -
we built the lead in the 1st half while Sy was in.

if you watch carefully in the 2nd half joe had laser eyes for buddy...he even through the ball right to bc once cuz buddy was on the other side of the bc player while cole was wide open on the other wing

meanwhile buddy couldnt buy a basket...like where is the recognition of who is hot and who isnt from the PG??? is that really too much to ask?

i realize joe isnt a pg

but thats his position on the team and he seems to disregard that fact sometimes ...to the team's detriment