Jim Boeheim Believes Syracuse Needs $10 million in NIL to Be Competitive

[Brooky03]

Yep. Five years is a preposterous ask when a P5 college hoops program can literally be turned around in one season.

I can hit on my 9 leg $5 parlay for a few thousand, too.

Schools willing/eager to change coaches every couple seasons are more likely to stay in that cycle than to find one who works. And when they find that one, the chances of keeping him aren’t great unless you’re a premier destination or get a ‘hometown’ type. Is this an argument to strictly adhere to the 5 year rule? No, of course not. But the list of excellent coaches who spent a few years being dogcrap at their job is not short (with the recognition that the list of dogcrap coaches who started their career as dogcrap coaches isn’t short either).

5 years is a bit much but not preposterous. Also, Jim obviously had Red in mind and I think he’d be a scumbag to say, “get ‘em out as soon as you can.” Nobody is going to say that when the subtext is obviously about a friend.

 

[Brooky03]

Jim has rarely done himself any favors when he decided to run his mouth.

Some things don’t change.

Yeah, how dare he answer questions asked of him.

What a jerk

 

[rocklloyd]

I pretty much hate college sports now. I want to go back to late 80’s/early 90’s where stuff happened under the table and there was no internet

 

[Brooky03]

Sorry, I can respect what Jim did for the program. And will always recognize that.

However, he also held the program hostage the last 8 years and ran it into the ground. Then the only way he went kicking and screaming was to get a cushy job with a high salary. Oh; and hire someone on the bench that was there for the last 8 years, which was the worst stretch in Jim’s tenure.

*6 years. Arguably 5.

A Final Four run earns just about any coach at least another 2 seasons, objectively, regardless of the regular season, especially coming off 28 and 30 win seasons before the NCAA’s, frankly, absurd sanctions (that predominately landed on the Athletic Department’s shoulders, but a coach’s ‘failure to promote a culture of compliance’ is the only hammer they have to swing so they swing it). That brings him to the 17-18 season before one could reasonably argue he held the program hostage. He went to the Sweet 16 that season. Coaches are rarely fired after a Sweet 16 but the program was clearly slipping at this point. That Sweet 16 earned him another season and it’s at least debatable whether it should have. Bad season but still a NCAAT birth, then Covid season, then Sweet 16.

I’d argue the hostage taking was 3 or 4 years and see the argument for 5 or 6. It certainly wasn’t 8. If we’re using the logic that NCAA sanctions should get a coach fired, then like half of the program’s greatest seasons or more maybe get wiped off the books. If we’re saying a couple regular seasons with double digit losses gets you canned, then the stretch of dominance from ‘10-‘14 probably never happens.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I was very much on board with wanting him to retire and allow new blood in to coach. But man some of the posts here seem out of line and a bit over the top. The man has a right to give his opinion. You have the right to ignore it.

 

[CuseBlood44]

People seem to forget that Fran lost his last eight games. He hasn’t proven he can find wins without McCord.

U seem to be forgetting he had them rolling with Angeli. They whiffed on backup QB this year and hopefully will be reloading the room

 

[Scooch]

I can hit on my 9 leg $5 parlay for a few thousand, too.

Schools willing/eager to change coaches every couple seasons are more likely to stay in that cycle than to find one who works. And when they find that one, the chances of keeping him aren’t great unless you’re a premier destination or get a ‘hometown’ type. Is this an argument to strictly adhere to the 5 year rule? No, of course not. But the list of excellent coaches who spent a few years being dogcrap at their job is not short (with the recognition that the list of dogcrap coaches who started their career as dogcrap coaches isn’t short either).

5 years is a bit much but not preposterous. Also, Jim obviously had Red in mind and I think he’d be a scumbag to say, “get ‘em out as soon as you can.” Nobody is going to say that when the subtext is obviously about a friend.

Context matters. 5 years at a mid major may be OK, considering the program’s recent history, trajectory over the first 2-3 seasons of said coach, extenuating circumstance, etc.

5 years in Red’s case is preposterous. 5 years at any P5 school is likely preposterous. At SU making the tournament far more often than not needs to be the expectation. Losing seasons are unacceptable, barring something catastrophic happening.

Waiting for a coach to become competent is no surer bet than churning through coaches every 3-4 years.

 

[powdersmack]

A Final Four run earns just about any coach at least another 2 seasons, objectively, regardless of the regular season, especially coming off 28 and 30 win seasons before the NCAA’s, frankly, absurd sanctions (that predominately landed on the Athletic Department’s shoulders, but a coach’s ‘failure to promote a culture of compliance’ is the only hammer they have to swing so they swing it). That brings him to the 17-18 season before one could reasonably argue he held the program hostage. He went to the Sweet 16 that season. Coaches are rarely fired after a Sweet 16 but the program was clearly slipping at this point. That Sweet 16 earned him another season and it’s at least debatable whether it should have. Bad season but still a NCAAT birth, then Covid season, then Sweet 16.

 

[Blanko97]

People seem to forget that Fran lost his last eight games. He hasn’t proven he can find wins without McCord.

But he still had a good year with a roster he built, red hasn’t had that.

 

[Sbucketball]

We should have 0 concern about 5-year talk. The bar has been set. He needs to win a game in the tournament. There probably would be some flexibility if he stormed through the regular season and lost first round, but that's not what is happening. We're 6-4 with a loss to Hofstra. Right now, Syracuse is on the outside looking in for the tournament. We're either going to start playing good basketball and dominate ACC play and win a game in the ncaa tournament, or we're going to have a new coach immediately after this season.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I pretty much hate college sports now. I want to go back to late 80’s/early 90’s where stuff happened under the table and there was no internet

Just wait till you find out about what the aliens and government are doing. You'll want to go back to the X-files days when all we had were conspiracies.

 

[tbonezone]

it's not just the dollar amount . it's spending it wisely. that is what separates wheat from chaff.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

it's not just the dollar amount . it's spending it wisely. that is what separates wheat from chaff.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

What is "Paid Rickie Collins 500K in NIL." as an example.

Nota bene: I got the 500K figure from this board

 

[dan7800]

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that SU spends more than Hofstra. Hofstra beat SU at home.

Money isn't the primary problem.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

He also thinks that Syracuse Football needs $20-$22 million in NIL.

Well, you may not like him or what he says or what you think he did to the program or the way he spoke to reporters or you are still pi$$ed at JB because Marrone left the (insert team name here) but he is not wrong.

10MM for hoops and 20MM for football seems to be a consensus to compete these days.

I suspect that figure will only travel north if what I am reading about some teams spending 40MM on their football roster this season.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that SU spends more than Hofstra. Hofstra beat SU at home.

Money isn't the primary problem.

No, it is.

One team can beat another on any given day.

Happens all the time.

Competing over the course of an entire season and deep into post-season is an entirely different proposition.

Coaching is really important but Bob Knight, Coach K and John Wooden all rolled into one wasn't winning with the roster we had last year.

 

[jr4750]

What I don't get is he says every year is a rebuild AND every coach needs 5 years. If every year is a rebuild, then you don't need to build the program (like you used to), so why do you need 5 years?

exactly. Louisville proved that last year with Kelsey. You should get 3 years max.

 

[Blanko97]

No, it is.

One team can beat another on any given day.

Happens all the time.

Competing over the course of an entire season and deep into post-season is an entirely different proposition.

Coaching is really important but Bob Knight, Coach K and John Wooden all rolled into one wasn't winning with the roster we had last year.

I disagree with that on two parts: 1) they never would've put together such an awful roster but ignoring that 2) they would've had a coherent offensive system that could allowed them to be at least somewhat successful and they would install a system that put the guys in a position to be successful defensively. There was not plan on either side of the ball.

Now, the reason why I don't believe those players just simply weren't good enough versus bad coaching is that no one improved the entire season. Not a single player was better in February than they were in November and that screams bad coaching. Even the worst players should improve as the season goes on, that doesnt mean they become stars but they should become better and not a single player on the roster left syracuse a better player.

 

[Fly Rodder]

and not a single player on the roster left syracuse a better player.

Well, some did. Girard was better at Clemson and Bell is having his best year at Cal. Q is having a great year at NC State.

 

[Blanko97]

Well, some did. Girard was better at Clemson and Bell is having his best year at Cal. Q is having a great year at NC State.

Ya got me!

 

[tbonezone]

didn't we just hire some moneyball techno geek to provide this exact needed valuable insight ? what was his name ? we judge coaches on wins and losses or we grading this guy on hits and misses ?

 

[Lame-0]

exactly. Louisville proved that last year with Kelsey. You should get 3 years max.

Did you watch Louisville get boat raced by Tennessee last night?

 

[Cusefan0307]

No, it is.

One team can beat another on any given day.

Happens all the time.

Competing over the course of an entire season and deep into post-season is an entirely different proposition.

Coaching is really important but Bob Knight, Coach K and John Wooden all rolled into one wasn't winning with the roster we had last year.

THIS YEAR is not LAST YEAR. What are we doing. This roster is underperforming.

 

[cuseinseattle]

I think the $10 million number is pretty accurate. If you want to hire a new coach, he will want at least $10 million if you want an established coach. I think Fran said they need to raise $6-8 million a year to compete. Add that to his $14 million from the school and JB is correct.

He is correct about both football and basketball. Maybe people don't want to hear the truth.

 

[SUFan44]

No, it is.

One team can beat another on any given day.

Happens all the time.

Competing over the course of an entire season and deep into post-season is an entirely different proposition.

Coaching is really important but Bob Knight, Coach K and John Wooden all rolled into one wasn't winning with the roster we had last year.

What’s interesting is the loss to Hofstra is the first non-P4 (or Big East) loss during the Autry era.

However, it is abundantly clear that Autry & Co. aren’t going to get this program where it should be.