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Jim Boeheim Believes Syracuse Needs $10 million in NIL to Be Competitive

THIS YEAR is not LAST YEAR. What are we doing. This roster is underperforming.
Don't disagree with that.

Poster utilized loss to Hofstra as a single sample size proof that NIL does not matter.

My counterpoint was not related to any specific year, although I did use last year as an example, and was more generic: NIL does matter. A lot.
 
He also ignored the athletic rules for drug testing and eligibility. His answer, we couldn’t do anything about it anyways. He totally blew off university drug testing policy and penalties that go along with it.

He did not ignore the drug testing rules. That’s a misconception I’ve seen repeated multiple times. The Athletic Department applied their rule inconsistently from what they had written. The Syracuse coaches (not just JB) went with what the Athletic Department told them and how the Athletic Department applied the rule. The NCAA laid blame for the drug related infractions on the Athletic Department. This was eventually rolled into JB’s ‘failure to promote compliance’ because of the Fab Melo finding. Basically, because they found him at fault for the Fab Melo situation, he was at fault for any non-compliance during the period their investigation covered, which I think a reasonable person would conclude is nonsensical.
 
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You know what, maybe that’s so. Maybe Jim could have been more involved with the academics of his players. But how or why does delegating that then make him responsible for the, presumably, unauthorized actions of his employee?

These are the facts as I understand them:

- The NCAA hit SU with APR sanctions because our players weren’t performing well enough academically; sending the message that programs are responsible for making sure their players attend and pass classes.

- Jim Boeheim hires a person to ensure players attend and pass classes. Seems pretty compliant.

- That employee and others on the staff, including Jim Boeheim, meet with Compliance every so often and go over the ground rules, which the NCAA doesn’t dispute. One of those ground rules was probably ‘don’t write papers for players.’

- Fab Melo flunks a class or classes, making him ineligible.

- Jim and staff look for a way to make him eligible. They find out he could write a paper and one of Fab’s professors will change his grade. Cool.

- I assume Jim instructs the director of bball ops to coordinate the completion of the assignment with Fab and the professor.

So far, all appears reasonable, yeah? Or no?

- Fab writes the paper but it sucks, so the director of bball ops takes it a step further and edits the paper to make sure Fab gets a good grade.

That’s the smoking gun that JB didn’t care about compliance? Or worse, that’s enough to be confident JB told his employee to tamper with the paper? How? What was the alternative?
I have all the respect in the world for the accomplishments of JB.

But let's not pretend that JB didn't run an incredibly loose ship for his entire tenure. There was chaos almost every season, to a degree that didn't happen at many other programs.

And hey, that was his approach, and it sure worked in terms of attracting elite talent and winning.

Of course I don't think he actively encouraged cheating or whatever. But he was the boss, he set the culture. He wanted his players eligible. And when you've gone through one major probation there should have been rigid guardrails in place to ensure it never, ever happened again.

I also think the probation was kind of nonsense. However, the NCAA had it out for JB precisely because of the way he ran his program. So they nailed him again when they had the chance.
 
We laud Fran Brown for letting us know that he monitors academics, social and financial well being of his players. We also laud JB for giving his kids free reign to grow into men and pay no attention to academics or behavioral issues. Win- win, except recently during the games.

When I grow up can I be a HC at SU.
 
I have all the respect in the world for the accomplishments of JB.

But let's not pretend that JB didn't run an incredibly loose ship for his entire tenure. There was chaos almost every season, to a degree that didn't happen at many other programs.

And hey, that was his approach, and it sure worked in terms of attracting elite talent and winning.

Of course I don't think he actively encouraged cheating or whatever. But he was the boss, he set the culture. He wanted his players eligible. And when you've gone through one major probation there should have been rigid guardrails in place to ensure it never, ever happened again.

I also think the probation was kind of nonsense. However, the NCAA had it out for JB precisely because of the way he ran his program. So they nailed him again when they had the chance.

We can say he ran a loose ship, and I don’t really disagree, but none of what the NCAA nailed him with was evidence HE ran a noncompliant ship (that’s their argument, but what do they know). That’s my problem. If we’re going to say he had to get fired for the 2nd probation 2 decades after players got Christmas cards, steaks, and shoes (I’m being hyperbolic.. a little), we should at least be able to lay part of some of the infractions at his feet, I think.

For what it’s worth, we have no idea if other programs didn’t have the problems ours apparently had. We’re closer to it, so we see it, but there aren’t things made public here that aren’t made public at other programs, too. Other programs aren’t only recruiting ‘good eggs’ and punishing bad behavior whenever it pops up. That would probably be untenable. We were unfortunate enough to get investigated, which was sparked by a situation wholly unrelated to JB. It’s like getting pulled over by a cop. How well you intended to obey the rules doesn’t have a ton of bearing on whether you’re walking away with a ticket for something. If the NCAA investigates, they’re going to find something. That’s universal. We’re saying he had to be skewered because the NCAA decided to investigate and I take issue with that.

If Jesus Christ came back and ran a college team with Mother Theresa, the NCAA would find a way to sanction them.. unless that team is a blue blood; then, East West North Dakota A&M gets sanctions.
 
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We laud Fran Brown for letting us know that he monitors academics, social and financial well being of his players. We also laud JB for giving his kids free reign to grow into men and pay no attention to academics or behavioral issues. Win- win, except recently during the games.

When I grow up can I be a HC at SU.

Multiple ways to skin a cat
 
I have all the respect in the world for the accomplishments of JB.

But let's not pretend that JB didn't run an incredibly loose ship for his entire tenure. There was chaos almost every season, to a degree that didn't happen at many other programs.

And hey, that was his approach, and it sure worked in terms of attracting elite talent and winning.

Of course I don't think he actively encouraged cheating or whatever. But he was the boss, he set the culture. He wanted his players eligible. And when you've gone through one major probation there should have been rigid guardrails in place to ensure it never, ever happened again.

I also think the probation was kind of nonsense. However, the NCAA had it out for JB precisely because of the way he ran his program. So they nailed him again when they had the chance.
Agreed 100%

We ran a rogue program in the eyes of the ncaa. Very few programs get clipped 2x w the same coach. He liked to poke everyone in the eye with his sardonic nature.

Problem when you survive 2 probations, a sexx scandal w your lead asst, etc you become infallible.
 
Agreed 100%

We ran a rogue program in the eyes of the ncaa. Very few programs get clipped 2x w the same coach. He liked to poke everyone in the eye with his sardonic nature.

Problem when you survive 2 probations, a sexx scandal w your lead asst, etc you become infallible.

The number of programs who get investigated twice with the same coach is near zero. Since the impetus for the 2nd investigation had literally nothing to do with how the program was run or anything JB did, that’s more bad luck than anything.

If any program gets investigated twice, that program will be sanctioned twice. That’s why it’s important to look into the circumstances and not stick with the lazy analysis that sanctions are sanctions, so it only matters who was in charge and they’re automatically at fault (the AD is in charge, btw; that’s the proverbial CEO).
 
JB thinks that Cuse needs $10M to be competitive. How much do we have with profit sharing for next year? What about this year currently?
(Apologize if this is in the thread somewhere, I missed it).
 
JB thinks that Cuse needs $10M to be competitive. How much do we have with profit sharing for next year? What about this year currently?
(Apologize if this is in the thread somewhere, I missed it).
I believe SU is devoting $3 or 4 million of their $20.5M total institutional money to men's hoops. And I also believe our NIL fund was $3.5 million this season.

So to hit JB's $10M I suspect we'd need to increase NIL by ~$2.5-to-3 million.

But I'm just spitballing based on posts here from people in the know. I could be way off.
 
Agreed 100%

We ran a rogue program in the eyes of the ncaa. Very few programs get clipped 2x w the same coach. He liked to poke everyone in the eye with his sardonic nature.

Problem when you survive 2 probations, a sexx scandal w your lead asst, etc you become infallible.

How many coaches are around 20 years after the first time to get clipped again?

One day, maybe, but probably not - more people would appreciate what a complete outlier everything JB is and was around here.

JB used the second one to rid SU of Dr. Gross.
 
Agreed 100%

We ran a rogue program in the eyes of the ncaa. Very few programs get clipped 2x w the same coach. He liked to poke everyone in the eye with his sardonic nature.

Problem when you survive 2 probations, a sexx scandal w your lead asst, etc you become infallible.
We got caught doing 65 in a 55. Bobby Cremins of all people helped do us in. Our lawyers did an awful job.
 
How many coaches are around 20 years after the first time to get clipped again?

One day, maybe, but probably not - more people would appreciate what a complete outlier everything JB is and was around here.

JB used the second one to rid SU of Dr. Gross.
Was he notified at Paradise Found? I know the admins within the AD had to save him from there multiple times.
 
I have all the respect in the world for the accomplishments of JB.

But let's not pretend that JB didn't run an incredibly loose ship for his entire tenure. There was chaos almost every season, to a degree that didn't happen at many other programs.

And hey, that was his approach, and it sure worked in terms of attracting elite talent and winning.

Of course I don't think he actively encouraged cheating or whatever. But he was the boss, he set the culture. He wanted his players eligible. And when you've gone through one major probation there should have been rigid guardrails in place to ensure it never, ever happened again.

I also think the probation was kind of nonsense. However, the NCAA had it out for JB precisely because of the way he ran his program. So they nailed him again when they had the chance.
University of North Carolina academic-athletic scandal - Wikipedia

Should have just offered whatever academic assistance we were giving players to all students. Then somehow it is totally fine!
 
Man, this thread of rehashing JAB decline history and devolving into an apologists vs. dereliction argument... I thought we were past this??

No one is going to change anyone else's mind and you don't need to get the last word on it... Let it die... and Merry X-mas.
 
8 is a little much. Sweet 16 and final 4 in the last 8.

Regular season success (or lack of it) is much more indicative of program health and where a team is / was heading. This is not only a Syracuse thing.

Focusing on the final 4 and sweet 16, instead of focusing on the the fact that we have not been a clear cut NCAA tournament team on March 1 since 2014, is blissfully ignoring the decline this program has been on for a while now.
 
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